Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

[WolfBear]

Well dang.

I guess all the illegal rule changes, video recordings of people committing voter fraud, massive discrepancies in mail in ballots, the illegal ballot harvesting, and the Arizona audit didn't really mean anything.

Baseless. What a joke.

Go and contact them and enlighten them with the truth, then!

 

[Cherico]

Go and contact them and enlighten them with the truth, then!

Dude we tried, there was an entire movie about the mules that cheated, there was a ton of evidence but at the end of the days these people just suck. The republican establishment got too fucking used to not having to do anything for their consitutaints because most of them just wanted to be left alone that they got lazy corrupt and stupid.

Were just going to have to kick out the republcan establishment one by one until we have people that will actually fight for our interests before we can even think about punishing the democrats for any of this shit. Only once the conversative movement has its own house in order only then can the process of fixing things start.

Political realinment a whole lot of people just need to fucking go.

 

[Bigking321]

The Republican establishment was in on it.

The people impeding investigations and audits in Georgia and Arizona are establishment Republicans that hated Trump.

 

[WolfBear]

The Republican establishment was in on it.

The people impeding investigations and audits in Georgia and Arizona are establishment Republicans that hated Trump.

What about Liz Cheney? She appeared to have no problem with Trump until after the 2020 election.

 

[Bigking321]

What about Liz Cheney? She appeared to have no problem with Trump until after the 2020 election.

What do you mean?

Liz Cheney is rabidly anti-Trump. That's why her and kinzinger were picked by Pelosi to represent Republicans on the Jan 6th thing. They don't care about anything else but hurting Trump right now since this looks like the end of their careers unless they switch parties.

 

[WolfBear]

What do you mean?

Liz Cheney is rabidly anti-Trump. That's why her and kinzinger were picked by Pelosi to represent Republicans on the Jan 6th thing. They don't care about anything else but hurting Trump right now since this looks like the end of their careers unless they switch parties.

They would have still had a career had they supported Trump after the 2020 election, though. They sacrificed their own careers in order to oppose Trump after his 2020 loss.

 

[Bigking321]

That's... my point?

I'm not actually sure what you mean.

Edit: She was so anti Trump she got removed from being in charge of the republican caucus.

She is 100% establishment and is currently asking democrats to register as Republicans in her state and vote for her in the primary.

I don't think someone appealing to the opposite team to help her out is that good for republicans.

 

[Captain X]

They would have still had a career had they supported Trump after the 2020 election, though. They sacrificed their own careers in order to oppose Trump after his 2020 loss.

Either they literally didn't care because they were just that blinded by hatred, they mad the mistake of thinking they represented a silent majority, or they believe they are immune to any consequences for their actions.

 

[Terthna]

Either they literally didn't care because they were just that blinded by hatred, they mad the mistake of thinking they represented a silent majority, or they believe they are immune to any consequences for their actions.

I'd argue it's all of the above. They hated him because he was an outsider who didn't earn his right to play the game the same way they did, they think we're all just sheep desperate for a shepherd to guide us, and they believe they're the only ones smart enough and deserving enough to do so. When, in reality, they're just egocentric idiots with more money and power then sense; and have only gotten as far as they have because the system is geared towards never holding them accountable when they make a mistake, and instead rewards them simply for existing. Who wouldn't start believing their own hype in such a scenario; and get very, very upset at anyone with the guts to point out that the king has no clothes?

 

[Ricardolindo]

What do you mean?

Liz Cheney is rabidly anti-Trump. That's why her and kinzinger were picked by Pelosi to represent Republicans on the Jan 6th thing. They don't care about anything else but hurting Trump right now since this looks like the end of their careers unless they switch parties.

That's... my point?

I'm not actually sure what you mean.

Edit: She was so anti Trump she got removed from being in charge of the republican caucus.

She is 100% establishment and is currently asking democrats to register as Republicans in her state and vote for her in the primary.

I don't think someone appealing to the opposite team to help her out is that good for republicans.

Either they literally didn't care because they were just that blinded by hatred, they mad the mistake of thinking they represented a silent majority, or they believe they are immune to any consequences for their actions.

I'd argue it's all of the above. They hated him because he was an outsider who didn't earn his right to play the game the same way they did, they think we're all just sheep desperate for a shepherd to guide us, and they believe they're the only ones smart enough and deserving enough to do so. When, in reality, they're just egocentric idiots with more money and power then sense; and have only gotten as far as they have because the system is geared towards never holding them accountable when they make a mistake, and instead rewards them simply for existing. Who wouldn't start believing their own hype in such a scenario; and get very, very upset at anyone with the guts to point out that the king has no clothes?

To the contrary, it was an act of courage standing up against baseless claims of voter fraud and incitement to insurrection.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

To the contrary, it was an act of courage standing up against baseless claims of voter fraud and incitement to insurrection.

There are multiple threads on this forum, littered with evidence of shenanigans. Does the Maricopa County Audit not mean anything to you?

And as for the "incitement to insurrection", once again, there are multiple threads on this forum littered with evidence that he did not incite an insurrection. If you can even call a bunch of overenthusiastic MAGA supporters wandering around the Capitol, after a bunch of police cracked under pressure and let them in (then proceeded to shit the bed even further and shoot an unarmed protester in the throat), an "insurrection."

Edit: Indeed, one might wonder whether the large military deployment to Washington DC was because the government realised "oh crap, the Capitol Police are useless."

 

[Ricardolindo]

There are multiple threads on this forum, littered with evidence of shenanigans. Does the Maricopa County Audit not mean anything to you?

And as for the "incitement to insurrection", once again, there are multiple threads on this forum littered with evidence that he did not incite an insurrection. If you can even call a bunch of overenthusiastic MAGA supporters wandering around the Capitol, after a bunch of police cracked under pressure and let them in (then proceeded to shit the bed even further and shoot an unarmed protester in the throat), an "insurrection."

Edit: Indeed, one might wonder whether the large military deployment to Washington DC was because the government realised "oh crap, the Capitol Police are useless."

Let me put it this way: Multiple Federalist Society Judges, some of whom nominated by Donald Trump, himself, found the claims of voter fraud baseless.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Let me put it this way: Multiple Federalist Society Judges, some of whom nominated by Donald Trump, himself, found the claims of voter fraud baseless.

Pretty much every single one NEVER looked at the claims. They threw them out on lack of standing in almost every single case. In other words...they didn't actually examine the evidence in court.

 

[Bacle]

To the contrary, it was an act of courage standing up against baseless claims of voter fraud and incitement to insurrection.

Let me put it this way: Multiple Federalist Society Judges, some of whom nominated by Donald Trump, himself, found the claims of voter fraud baseless.

The Federalist Society are McConnells friends, not Trump's; the judge appointment list overall was mostly McConnel's doing, not Trump.

So do not act like they are personal friends or personal selections of Trumps; Trump was given the names/list of approved names by McConnell and his Federalist Society friends



Here is Ray Epps the morning of Jan 6th, he was part of the first group to break down barricades that day.

The night before he is on video inciting people towards this end and getting called out as a Fed plant.

What happened on Jan 6th was caused by Federal plants and informants, Antifa/BLM infiltrators in the crowd in Trump gear, and by Pelosi/Milley refusing to deploy Nat Guard ahead of time as Trump and others wanted.

I watch CSPAN and RSBN's feed of Trump's speech that day; he never called for people to storm the building or assault police, he never called for attacking congresscritters, and he did call for calm and peace, but was banned from Twitter right after that, so he could not continue to attempt to calm people down.

And that's before we touch on the increasing amounts of evidence of voter fraud and the fact that Chief Justice Roberts purposefully made sure any SCOTUS cases that could help Trump were never ruled on merits, only tossed on either 'lack of standing' beforehand, and 'mootness' afterward.

You will not tell me and others what we saw and heard that day was a lie, no matter how much the mainstream media and leftists wish to trying to gaslight us about that day or what happened during/after the election.

 

[Terthna]

To the contrary, it was an act of courage standing up against baseless claims of voter fraud and incitement to insurrection.

Baseless? Even if we ignore all of the evidence that has been dug up since, there was more than enough even in the immediate aftermath to give claims of fraud some teeth. Heck; even the owner of this forum could give you his firsthand account of the shady things he saw going down at the time:

OK...

I was a poll worker in Maricopa County.

I personally witnessed the following -

County Officials facilitating the violation of election integrity and audit laws by failing to provide sufficient ballot box seals, instructing poll workers not to make use of ballot box seals, transporting ballots in non-sealed containers, and transporting ballots without front end audit counts.

Private contractors badged as employees of both the County and Dominion entering polling places and inserting USB drives into the precinct-based tabulators on election day without any audit or seal. Poll workers were instructed not to question or record their actions by County Officials.

County Officials deliberately falsifying audit records, or directing the falsification of same, and threatening front line poll workers if they failed to comply with said directions to falsify audit records.

Unsecure handling of ballots, results cartridges, and audit materials in such a way as to make it impossible to certify a clean election without fraudulent declarations. Bags of unsecured and unsealed ballots were intermingled with sealed bags, the seals were then broken, thus eliminating any possibility of separating 'clean' from potentially fraudulent ballots.

Deliberate obfuscation of the differences between mail in and provisional ballots, with both being in identical envelopes with identical coding, again making it impossible to properly determine if a given ballot is mail-in (and thus simply requires basic signature verification) or provisional (and thus requires more in depth verification and processing).

To this day Maricopa County is deliberately in violation of state law by preventing a forensic audit of the tabulation equipment, has deliberately spoliated evidence, and has threatened poll workers who spoke out about the complete dog's breakfast the election was.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Pretty much every single one NEVER looked at the claims. They threw them out on lack of standing in almost every single case. In other words...they didn't actually examine the evidence in court.

Exactly. They punted because they were scared half to death of what would happen if they investigated further, as a fair few judges wanted to. Now, given what a mess Biden has made of things, I wouldn't be surprised if they regretted not doing their due diligence.

Maricopa Country proves, at least on some level, there was dodgy stuff happening.

 

[LordsFire]

To the contrary, it was an act of courage standing up against baseless claims of voter fraud and incitement to insurrection.

The others have made good points, but I'll add another one:

If the American political right was actually trying for an insurrection, it would be one hundred percent obvious.

Because Americans literally own more guns than the every military in the world combined, and that ownership is concentrated to the political right.

Anybody who claims what happened on January 6th was an 'insurrection' is either lying to you, wilfully delusional, or both.

 

[Cherico]

The others have made good points, but I'll add another one:

If the American political right was actually trying for an insurrection, it would be one hundred percent obvious.

Because Americans literally own more guns than the every military in the world combined, and that ownership is concentrated to the political right.

Anybody who claims what happened on January 6th was an 'insurrection' is either lying to you, wilfully delusional, or both.

When the shit hits the fan and I mean actually hits it, things will go from zero to 100 real quick. We are however not currently there and people are trying to solve the problem of a corrupt and frankly delusional establishment peacefully.

 

[Bacle]

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Curiouser and curiouser...