mesonoxian
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There is zero evidence of "the left" being behind the wildfires. Don't know who you think they've assassinated. The rioting was pretty dope though.The left has already rioted,assasinated,murdered and likely was responsible for the fires that killed people on the west coast. More of the same but the right doesnt have to worry about optics for election, fucking bring it. Especially if trump brings out the jackboots and uses his powers as the commander in chief of the military.I honestly can't fucking believe you think after the past 4 years of constant riots,arson,murder and muh 'punch a nazi' attacks on Trump supporters that the left haven't behaved as vile and needlessly violent trash people.
Also to preempt the old talking point of the fbi, they were saying the mystical 'white supremacists' were a bigger threat as antifa and blm burned down god knows how many cities and commited numerous crimes during, like the kid burning to death in his/her apartment. So i don't trust them to be impartial and apolitical, so fuck them too.
Especially when my decieving eyes can watch a skinny soi boi dressed in a hoody and all black be apprehended after setting some bushes on fire by based tough woman. The fact that lefties still try to lie about that is infuriating. Like we are all supposed to believe that the people setting fires and throwing molotovs couldn't hop in a car and go burn shit 20 minutes away. I hope Trump wins and i hope the left does it's worst so we can finally get rid of this cancerous commie bs.
If Trump doesn't pull this one from his ass then expect the next 4 years to be absolute hell after everything you put us through because it was 'her turn'. Those files about crack smoking loser hunter as well as kid fucker biden and his deals about the chinese still exist, wonder if thats impeachment worthy? I wonder how many skeleton's that fugly goblin caramel or wtf ever has from her prosecutor days? Even if Trump loses your in for hell commie scum.
Nice to know that we've got rational, well meaning people like you on the other side. Just peachy.
I'm glad they don't do what their supporters want. A lot of what their supporters want is genuinely awful.I agree that republicans lack an organic connection from their supporters and often don’t do what their supporters want. And that the US is actually an oligarchy.
So I’d support another party, if it ever arose that was in concert with my beliefs and interests.
But I support republicans because Democrats will implement policies that would be very bad for me and people like me and would be harmful to the nation as a whole.
What are these Democratic policies? Because while I can think of plenty, I bet they aren't the ones you are thinking of.
Reparations aren't "institutionalizing racism". I don't even think that is a thing.Democrats want to:
1. Thoroughly institutionalize racism. Specifically have openly talked about 'paying reparations.'
2. Raise taxes.
3. Destroy the energy sector, and with it torpedo the economy as a whole.
What civil rights is it Republicans want to harm, exactly? Because I'm having a hard time remembering any such thing.
Raising taxes is a good thing. The wealthy often pay next to nothing, like a certain casino owner and professional wrestling personality.
And the energy sector needs to be destroyed. I'd rather have a bad economy than generalized crop failures.
The civil rights are things like women's right to select their own treatment with their doctors, support for the ongoing police violence against minorities, trying to create a "Muslim ban" and block the building of Mosques, trying to block same sex marriage and protections for trans people, wanting to permit children to be subject "conversion therapy". And that is before you get into all the dog whistles, nudges, and conspiracy theories aimed at prominent Jewish and Muslim people.
There is a reason racist groups have flocked to Trump, and it is because they are picking up what he and his cronies are laying down.
Unfortunately for you, the world is material and all your will and pure Aryan spirit does fuck all when you run out of food.You mistake me sir, I’m not a historical materialist, though it seems you are. Material interests and concerns impact history, but history is driven by extra material forces that may only be expressed through matter.
Racial identity is perhaps the most important factor in determining the character of a nation, it’s people, and the general disposition of its individuals. It matters.
You do understand those smaller groups are just microcosms of the larger ones? Religious community, family, and local community are microcosms of civilization, nation, and race. In fact they are the cells of the body, that make up those larger entities.
Racial identity is made up garbage used to justify 18th century economic chicanery.
They aren't microcosms because there is no macrocosm. there is no larger whole. There is just people and their relationships. The rest of this is all regurgitated garbage from the Romantics, and it doesn't taste any better the second time.
"Railed?" Geeze, you've got a real fixation here.I realized that getting railed by the Trump Train for the past 4 years have ruined your vision, but maybe magnify the page by 400% and read what I actually fucking said. Maybe you won't look like a complete dipshit if you do.
That's fine, but I wasn't addressing you.I really don't give a shit what Gohmert claimed. Not unless Gohmert is secretly Powell in a fucking wig and 2-inch thick make-up.
So glad to know we've top men such as yourself keeping an eye on things. I am sure internet rando #64578 is totally as competent as the entire list of people who signed of on that statement.That system is not secure. These fuckwits couldn't get their system authorized in Texas because it failed basic penn testing. Affidavits specifically reference that it had easy end-user access and had multiple security failures. So unless Chris Krebs is also willing to write out an affidavits, what he says during an internal US power struggle is pretty meaningless.
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Not the Wikipedia editors!!!!Your ahem, professionals seem to include wikipedia editors, the New York Times, ABC, and the Associated Press. All of which routinely misrepresent Trump and are known enemies of his. It's like asking me to trust Fox News about Joe Biden's scandals.
Have you ever considered that they might have good reasons for not liking him. Like, maybe there actually is a difference between the two, and the washed up conman racist isn't the best choice?
Because there is this stuff called "evidence" that corroborates some claims, and Powell ain't got any of that.We can't know what's baseless in this situation, because it is proven that our media sources will lie to us when properly motivated. So the fact that AP, NYT, or whoever else you want to cite says one thing, does not make it true. And it's a rather large waste of my time to try and use those sources as if they are in any way authoritative when you yourself decry them later on the next page.
And even if that were not the case, how exhaustive was the list of yellow-page journalism in the past four years, from both political sources, in regards to rumors? You can't prove jack these days without either sufficiently strong evidence made public or you have people coming forward, willing to go on record as having said it.
That's why all those "leaks" during Trump's first two years always ended at a dry well; it was bullshit disseminated to gullible reporters or maliciously written misleading articles intent on harming Trump's position. Now, is everything that Powell said true?
Not likely.
Some say "maybe", but others aren't so sure. Look, there are alien abductions with better evidence than this raid that no one can confirm on a location that doesn't exist, for a server nobody has seen. Let me guess, you can't wait to see what's on Hunter Biden's laptops?Is it coherent and plausible? Very much so. Electronic cheating could be easily implemented if officials were willing to look the other way. Could our data be easily sent overseas to Germany without anyone knowing? Certainly. Is it reasonable to suggest that someone might cheat by siphoning off points from Trump's total and adding it onto Biden to avoid an overcount? Certainly.
Is it proven? No. And Trump's legal team and Powell have admitted that; it has yet to be proven. Right now they are gathering evidence to PROVE it in the courts. Running around and screaming about how things are baseless is just pointless. Claiming you know anything as solid fact is just appeal to authority.
You clearly haven't spent much time in leftist/democrat circles. Because yeah we fight, but everyone agrees that Donald Trump is garbage. I despise Joe Biden. He's a racist old weasel who was more than happy to nod along with Obama's war crimes and who cares more about decorum than doing even the easy right things.But I'll vote for him over Trump any day.And THAT could be true. But it's also unlikely that this is the case. Not highly unlikely, but unlikely. Biden had lower in-party support than Hillary Clinton--and yet he got a much higher turnout. That is simply NOT how the Democratic party works. That's a tough sell, even for Republicans. And the major advantage of the Republicans is their willingness to move in lock-step. The Democrats are somewhat opposite; they can't agree on policy-based campaigns and so turnout drops like a rock. They need someone with a strong personality to drive them into the voting booths and they flood out the Republicans every time it happens. See Obama and Bill Clinton.
In addition to this, Biden was presiding over a very divided Democrat party. For this to be legit would mean that it's the biggest fluke of a lifetime. More likely it means that someone somewhere cheated.
No, this is factually wrong.
Trump is a symptom of something else and it has nothing to do with beating minorities or Qanon bullshit or big companies raping the land.
It's about breaking down the American Empire.
No, we're not actually an empire, but most people understand it as such. What we really are is a global hegemon. One that formally had been embattled with a rival global hegemon for control of the world. And to ensure that our rival could not threaten us, we made a deal with Europe that eventually expanded to cover the whole world; "we open your markets and we lead the fight against the Soviets".
That means that France could sell all of its exports into the American market without any trade barriers or restrictions. What that didn't mean was the US being able to do the same in France. You want to sell Parmesan in France? Well, you better label it something else, because only Parmesan Cheese made in Parmesan, France can use that label. Or Sparkling Wine? And God knows that Canada has had an absurd 300-400% trade wall against American dairy for the sake of protecting its own dairy industry. Or states using government subsidies to lower the cost of their own goods to outcompete American farmers who don't get those subsidies in the USA.
Then if that wasn't enough, Clinton--in all his fucking wisdom, decided to allow US companies to export their factories overseas to China. Because all those greedy pigs you (for some reason) think support Trump, are not happy that they're going to have to pay closer to $22 an hour for steel work jobs instead of say, $5 an hour if those products were made in the USA. That isn't to say that Clinton's bill didn't have some advantages; it allowed for cheap production of high quality technology such as smart phones, laptops, desktops, TVs, and so on.
I mean, it also mean enabled the Chinese to commit mass genocide in a security state powered by fucking Google, but small prices, am I right? And who needs all those high paying jobs in places like Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, or California when you can just hand a small African boy a hand shovel, a bucket, and push him into a deep hole so he can mine it by hand? Sure he'll never stop having nightmares from the putrid smell of the dead boys who never made it back, but he's likely to die in six months anyhow!
Trump's policies represent the decoupling of all these things. But why?
Well, the current supply chains to make a phone or a laptop are spread out from Africa to the South China Sea to China to South Korea to Japan. And when the US pulls back, it will create a power vacuum. When that power vacuum is exposed, you can expect energy shortages, famine, and territorial disputes erupt all across the known world.
The Chinese can't secure their own energy resources from the Gulf states. Sure, they look as though they have a massive naval force--and they do, but they're brown water, not blue water. They're not intended to do anything than defend China's coast and may strike at nearby nations such as Taiwan. Worse, even if China COULD secure their own oil, they would need a market to sell it to and with a protectionist America, that closes. Especially because Mexican labor is closer, isn't a perceived security threat, is cheaper, and is actually more educated on whole than the Chinese labor pool.
It also solves the illegal immigration problem.
Saudi Arabia, with the US out of the picture, is going to be the primary target of the Iranian military. Whether they can pull it off with their second-rate technology and empty bank account is questionable, but I for one never bet against Arabian military incompetence. The only reason Trump hasn't pulled out of Saudi Arabia is both because he gets resistance from the Pentagon AND because the Saudis are literally paying for us to be there. After Trump, that is likely to end.
Why? Because Americans have seen what the Saudis do to dissenting reporters and we don't need their fucking oil anymore.
And finally, leaving Europe will reignite the long-asked German Question. Germany is too powerful for its neighbors comfort. And that generally results in a European war--the last two times (of two) it went global and resulted in the US essentially occupying half of Germany and Russia the other half. At this same time, Germany's immensely powerful economy has sucked the economic strength of southern Europe dry...while also lending them billions (or trillions) of dollars that is in some cases, literally impossible to buy out. To make matters even worse, Germany is an export-led economy, meaning that its domestic market cannot absorb its production. They need to send it somewhere else. And unfortunately for them, the rest of Europe is aging rapidly; the Millennial and Zoomer generation is not as evident in those countries.
Why is that double devastating? Because it means not only do they need access to as many markets as possible in order to sustain the very model of economy of capitalism, but they also can't fill the role of the US due to the sheer amount of costs it would entail, as well as the fact that China would need to export to THEIR market to make up for the loss of the US market.
And that brings us to Russia. Which has far worse demographics than the rest of Europe. At the same time they see the US pulling out, they realize that in 10-20 years, they will not have the military capacity to hold Russia's territory. Their only option is to find the narrowest part of the European plain and plug it to prevent Napoleon War 3.0 from driving their tanks all the way to Moscow. Even worse than that is that because their education system went tits up in the fall of the Soviet Union, the people most capable of maintaining their technology in the highest numbers are going to die in like 10-20 years.
Why is that bad? Because the most narrow part of the European plain that Russia can latch onto is halfway through Poland. So if the Russians want a chance at their country not falling apart, they have to drive their military forces all the way through several countries to secure it. And they'll do it piecemeal so the US won't feel threatened and warn the Europeans that if they get involved...well, no gas for them.
These are all strategic disasters that will ignite massive wars, destroy supply chains, raise the cost of labor (as it becomes American labor), and absolutely destroys developing (and developed) countries. That's why the neo-cons and neo-liberals HATE him. That's why massive companies that rely upon those same supply chains to cut labor costs (but not end market costs, am I right?)--one of them being tech companies such as Microsoft and Google want Trump out of office.
But for the average American? It means replacing Chinese jobs with American jobs. Or Mexican jobs. Even if only 1 out of 4 of those jobs go to the USA and the rest go to Mexico, the US gains a stronger blue collar work force and the strengthened Mexican economy (which is already #11 in the world) becomes more attractive for potential illegal immigrants, either from Mexico or south of Mexico. Which in turn lessens the strain on race relations within the USA.
The downside for the US is relatively small, the benefits are huge.
It's just that a few billionaires, socialists globalists, and most of the remaining states on the planet lose hard.
Yeah, the Us is not going to be a global hegemon much longer. Why exactly should we care? We have more than enough to for everybody to get by. We just need to take it back from the billionaires and capitalists. But no part of that requires we empower racists and fascists or try to screw the rest of the world. Maybe we could actually try to make things better for people other than white Americans.
Also "socialist globalist" isn't really a thing. Plenty of socialist internationalists. but "globalism" is explicitly a capitalist notion. "Socialist globalist" is just a way right wingers say "Jews" without saying it out loud.
Trump activated just about his entire base. The Democrats activated a smaller part of theirs, but it is larger. Nothing suggests that Trump actually grew his base over all. But no doubt there are plenty of Trump supporters out there, and we'll bedealing with this nonsense for the next few generations.1% shift? Um, no. That isn't what people are worried about. The popular vote is what the DNC tells its low-information voters to try and justify being complete fucking failures. The popular vote is the accumulation of 50 different popular votes held within 50 different, semi-autonomous states that each choose their own electors to determine who they will vote for on the federal level. No, they aren't shitting themselves because 1% of the voter turnout flipped for Trump.
They're shitting themselves because Trump GREW his voter base by 15% on the current tally count. They're shitting themselves because they lost races that they should have won. They're shitting themselves because after 4 years of a full on press against Trump, including trying to impeach the poor fucker, he not only DIDN'T lose support (unlike Obama), he gained support.
That suggests that the Republicans have found a new way forward. It means the neo-cons can't retake the GOP. It means that Wisconsin and Michigan are no longer safe blue states. It means that Florida and Ohio are comfortable GOP states. And all the while they have to deal with an uprising within the Progressive Left of the party, who are not satisfied with how the Neo-Liberals have managed the past four years. And neither are the moderates within the party.