A 4th GA county found votes:
Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)
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Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
That government lied to you long before Iraq.
I support your position.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Hey, where is the Twitter warning about Pascrell’s claims about Trump being disputed?
And yes, that second part is true too. Even while Trump was in office they were coming for conservatives. They were coming to our events to beat us up without legal repercussions. They were doxxing us to make us lose jobs or fear for our safety. They were not only censoring us from social media, but undermining people’s ability to earn a living, including shutting people out of banking or credit cards. With Biden in office, it’s going to get worse, the more honest leftists are already telling us this.
Abhishekm
Well-known member
Quick question these don't include any disparities in the actual counted votes right? I mean they reported these as votes not previously counted. So is it right to assume the Counties have not actually given their actual recount numbers or is it just assumed to be the same?
Because if you can find nearly 6000 votes over 4 counties not even counted is there not even one miscounted voted?
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They're literally telling us this.
Openly.
Currently I am thinking of AOC's proposed list.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
And the Republicans won't do a damn thing to stop them; because even with Trump in the White House, they never did.
There have been no interim audit results released so far.
and that's why I think we are 30 years away from a civil war.
The pain of inaction has to be worse then the pain of action for them to act, much much worse. Of course by delaying this they make it so instead of arresting a few bad actors and it being done with we end up with a bloody civil war that kills millions.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
And yet; why do I feel as if, when everything is said and done, nobody will learn anything from the tragedy of it all, and will continue to make the same mistakes over and over again?
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
We're humans. We have a short term memory.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Maybe when they finally figure out how to cure aging, people who have actually lived through it will remember well enough to keep these sorts of things from happening again; because it seems like the only way people learn is through experience.
KilroywasNOTHere
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because everyone thinks they are a god on earth and by virtue of merely existing think they can do know wrong. Look at tyranny, Communism, fuadalism even to a certain extent democracy all come from a similar root and produce the same results yet every generation goes "well that wasin't true X but we'll make it work this time."
Tyrannies or one person rule has been done for a long period of time in human history, its results are rather spotty but if you get lucky a competent ruler can really improve the country by a whole lot. That said its like winning the lottery because most tyrants are power hungry assholes who don't care about their nations longterm well being.
Fuedalism, actually worked for a period of centuries, yeah it had a lot of problems but we are talking about a pretty stable system that lasted hundreds of years. Of course the cavot is that those were not ideal years but it is a semi functional governing system.
Communism- has been tried hundreds of times over a century the results are worse then tyranny and feudalism. It basically destroys you nations wealth and well being at best or puts it through a murder blender. Worst government system ever really sick of the idiots who want it.
Democracy- Over a 200 year period helped cause the greatest era of peace and prosperity in human history, is currently being dismantled by power hungry oligarcs who are also self righteous pricks.
KilroywasNOTHere
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Feudalism: Define stable, stable & working for whom? If you think there is no fate worse than death then sure feudalism will keep you alive if only just. If you think there are fates worse than death. Then Feudalism only "Works" if you win the bloodline lottery.
Communism: No arguments here, it's essentially feudalism on steroids on a x50 fast forward button. which means it also dies about 500 times faster,
Democracy: ah but we are not a true democracy, rather we are a democratic republic. If we were a true democracy, rural conservatives would be a slave caste to the arrogant city slickers and California and New York would be the rulers of this country. The Republic and it's document that serves as it's law would serve us well....if we bothered to keep it.
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Actually feudalism works for everyone to a degree, it is about mutual obligations between orders in society. The problem really starts when it breaks down. It is certainly better than absolutism, and I think we should have refined the moral principles (the praiseworthy ones that is) behind it, and synthesized with capitalism rather than have it be replaced by it.
No, communism is entirely unlike feudalism. It is an old hat philosophy that has never worked.
Look at Switzerland, they have a confederal, partially direct, multi-ethnic democracy and it works fine for them.
California was self destructing before Covid, were pretty much fucked, New York was doing all right but they fucked themselves with covid government over reach and the cities going to have a bad time.
A lot of the current insanity is because the cities have been mismanaged for decades now and as has been stated their population sinks because good luck rasing a family there (so fucking expensive so much bullshit) So the cities are aging they have a lot of debt due to years of bad policies and their going to age faster then the country side.
Now normally the relationship between urban and rural areas is symbiotic but when cities self destruct that relationship turns toxic and paracitiacal as cities try to loot everything they can to keep themselves viable (they could institute reforms but good luck getting our current ruling class to ever admit they were wrong)
The reason we have the current freak out is because were hitting the tilting point where the cities self destruct and people start fleeing them, the tax base shrinks and then we get a vicious cycle. AKA Detroit.
KilroywasNOTHere
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again define "works."
Bear Ribs
Well-known member
Actually I'd argue that feudalism was the most egalitarian system mankind's ever had. Sure, Kings had it good but the difference between peasant and king wasn't nearly as wide as the modern gap between poor and superrich, nor the slave vs. emperor situation that preceded it.
Serfdom in which serfs were tied to the land might seem harsh today but it was lightyears better than what the poor had in Rome, which was slavery, and lightyears better than the lethally dangerous sweatshops (and yes, more slavery) that followed in the "Age of Enlightenment." The serfs also generally worked less than we do today, amazingly enough. They worked around a 5.5 day workweek and had 30-33 days off for special feasts each year. That's a heck of a lot of time off considering the reputation the period has.
Wars under feudalism tend to be tiny affairs. Rome mustered 80,000 soldiers to attack similar numbers at Carthage. 10,000 would be a vast army in the middle ages, with many armies being in the hundreds. The battle of Agincourt was one of the largest in the middle ages and it pitted 36,000 Frenchmen against 9,000 Englishmen.
During the middle ages things things like the Peace of God and Truce of God forbade civilian deaths and while there were breaches of this, on the whole it was kept. Comparatively, when Rome went to war with Carthage, Rome went to war against all Carthaginians, man woman and child (and in some cases even pets) were to either die or be enslaved, there was no "civilian" in their minds. And then after Feudalism we got the delights of World Wars and industrialized warfare.
Ultimately feudalism has one all-defining virtue. Feudalism in general is the exact opposite of tyranny, the monarch's power is greatly reduced compared to other governmental systems with said power being split between innumerable aristocrats, nobles, and minor nobility right down to the equivalent of the town mayor. the system of obligations prevented the King from doing too much and sharply limited his influence, with the result that the power flowed downhill compared to other systems. This distribution of power hoses any attempt at really wresting control from the local people and makes for an extremely level playing field compared to anything else mankind has tried.
Serfdom in which serfs were tied to the land might seem harsh today but it was lightyears better than what the poor had in Rome, which was slavery, and lightyears better than the lethally dangerous sweatshops (and yes, more slavery) that followed in the "Age of Enlightenment." The serfs also generally worked less than we do today, amazingly enough. They worked around a 5.5 day workweek and had 30-33 days off for special feasts each year. That's a heck of a lot of time off considering the reputation the period has.
Wars under feudalism tend to be tiny affairs. Rome mustered 80,000 soldiers to attack similar numbers at Carthage. 10,000 would be a vast army in the middle ages, with many armies being in the hundreds. The battle of Agincourt was one of the largest in the middle ages and it pitted 36,000 Frenchmen against 9,000 Englishmen.
During the middle ages things things like the Peace of God and Truce of God forbade civilian deaths and while there were breaches of this, on the whole it was kept. Comparatively, when Rome went to war with Carthage, Rome went to war against all Carthaginians, man woman and child (and in some cases even pets) were to either die or be enslaved, there was no "civilian" in their minds. And then after Feudalism we got the delights of World Wars and industrialized warfare.
Ultimately feudalism has one all-defining virtue. Feudalism in general is the exact opposite of tyranny, the monarch's power is greatly reduced compared to other governmental systems with said power being split between innumerable aristocrats, nobles, and minor nobility right down to the equivalent of the town mayor. the system of obligations prevented the King from doing too much and sharply limited his influence, with the result that the power flowed downhill compared to other systems. This distribution of power hoses any attempt at really wresting control from the local people and makes for an extremely level playing field compared to anything else mankind has tried.