Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

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Lord Invictus said:
So a few notes to make, just cuz I’m in the mood.

-Trump did make some small in roads with minority voters. Clearly this was not enough. And it came indirectly or otherwise at the cost of his working class white support in the Midwest. The Republican Party can not win with Cubans and anti communist Venezuelans. It simply can’t. Trump’s gains in the black community were marginal. Not bad for a Republican but it will never be enough. Peeling away 10-12% of the black vote will not win elections.

-The Jared Kushner plan/2012 Autopsy, basically republicans need to ditch their loyal supporters for minorities was implemented. It has been shown to be a failure.

-The Republican Party does not have any real loyalty in the rust belt. Trump promised economic restoration and didn’t deliver. The republicans will never be a working class party. They are too bound to conventional economics of their donors. Trump won by promising not to be a Republican economically. He was one.

-I hate to use Pol slang, but it is somewhat of a cope to say “well we kept the Senate!”, yes we did but do you expect Harris will let that stop her? Executive orders will be implemented and unlike with Trump she will have the federal bureaucracy behind her. Obviously there are limits to that but the democrats will work night and day to prevent any Republican resurgence.

-Republicans may gain the house in 2022. They may not. I do not personally expect it to matter too much. As the republicans have shown themselves to useless in actually achieving anything. They didn’t get rid of Section 230, or assist trump with the border wall. It’s as if their terrified of actually wielding power.

-I expect Republican energy to be divided and wasted in 2024. The Democrats will likely win a second term. There will be some “trumpian” candidates that are perhaps more edgy than Mitt Romney, but none will win any support in the rust belt, and the energy will otherwise be dissipated amongst various factions in the party.

-The notion the US is unified or has any common purpose or values ought to be shattered for anyone with eyes to see. Neither the liberals hope of a nation awokened or Q’s silly nonsense about a trump landslide have proven to have any analytical worth. The question is how much longer can this stretched breaking tent called the USA be held together? Or will one side triumph over the other? I suspect the latter.

-Anyways, I do think there is some room for optimism. The trump presidency has lessons to teach us. These include:

-the federal bureaucracy and deep State are not our friends. They align ideologically with Neo liberalism and its subordinate ideologies.
-Being a populist requires actually governing as one.
-To fight the first item on the list, loyalists must be installed and resistance purged quickly and decisively. Else it will either depose your or render your agenda ineffectual.
-Liberals and leftists are as vicious as they are childish. They do not consider losses legitimate or believe that their enemies have beliefs that should be respected. After all racism be bad yo!
-the media is in total alignment, anyone who wishes to claim the media is unbiased now is a liar. Or a fool. But even fools ought to know by now, the media considers itself a moral guardian and believed it has the right to tell the public what to believe and think. It coordinates and works with the rest of the system.
-Most of the Republican Party, the Lincoln project etc... is in total alignment with the above. It is also not our friend.

The Trump era has revealed the true nature of our enemies, and our supposed “allies”. It has shown what sort of governance works and how it can be obstructed. It has shown the power of delusion, and the efficacy of lies so long as they have official imprimatur.

We must take these lessons into the future.
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Ugh were you not paying attention when factories came back to the Midwest with the iron range endorsing him?
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
Or their willingness to practically merge and have the same set of beliefs and values and same awkward weird shit

I’ve seen Ayn Rand fans and Land Lord Lovers on reddit who spend more time hating on Drumpf than any of the democrats

The Ayn Rand guys even thought of Mark Zuckerburg as a hero or a Gail Wynand or Hank Rearden
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They miss the days when the Republicans and Democrats were rivals that nevertheless were on the same side; against the American people.
 
Terthna said:
The jury is still out though on whether or not the Republicans can keep moving along those lines without Trump to lead them, or if the neocons will take back control and try to paper over everything he accomplished with the party. Personally, I would not underestimate the desire of the political class, whichever side of the left/right "divide" they happen to be on, to destroy the legacy of an outsider.
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Unfortunately i have to agree, i think the Republicans have changed quite a bit from the graceful losers they were and they have turned what was once a curbstomping into an actual fight. However i'm not sure 4 years has been long enough to truly change course when so much of the party is still living fossils who only care about tax cuts and gibs for Israel.

Trump does that to a degree but he fights back on numerous fronts that typical Republican's ignore or concede without a fight. I would be more comfortable with 4 more years and some more aggressive new blood tbh. Because the seeming lack of support from Republicans regarding the voting fraud speaks of a battered wife about to give her ex just one more chance.
 
Floridaman said:
What other path is there for him. Judging by what we have seen the past 4 years including NYC talking of criminal charges does anyone think there are any other options.
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He just finished his speech. One of the so called journalists just asked him "are you being a sore loser?" right as he started walking out. The gall of these people talking so disrespectfully to the POTUS. Only in the US do we have such freedom to do so, yet these same spoiled and entitled idiots complain about how the US sucks. As someone whose family fled poverty and corruption to come here, this place is a paradise.

Floridaman said:
You mean waco'ed
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What's waco?

Lord Invictus said:
-Trump did make some small in roads with minority voters. Clearly this was not enough. And it came indirectly or otherwise at the cost of his working class white support in the Midwest. The Republican Party can not win with Cubans and anti communist Venezuelans. It simply can’t. Trump’s gains in the black community were marginal. Not bad for a Republican but it will never be enough. Peeling away 10-12% of the black vote will not win elections.
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In a normal election this would work. Plus Trump did plenty to appeal to the working class white vote. He held rallies in many areas that drew enormous support. Heck Biden publicly stated he'd end the oil industry. If this were a normal election based on normal turnout (not where the dems fudge the numbers) Trump would have coasted in a landslide.

It was actually a major issue for Trump. It also the first of many steps needed to kill the myth that the Republicans are all racists. Demographics isn't destiny as Trump improved by taking areas which he had lost to hillary in 2016. Major Latino areas in Texas and Florida for example flipped for Donald Trump.

Lord Invictus said:
Trump promised economic restoration and didn’t deliver. The republicans will never be a working class party. They are too bound to conventional economics of their donors. Trump won by promising not to be a Republican economically. He was one.
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Dude he's one man working against 15-20 years of a negative trend. Sure he hasn't been completely successful, but its better than nothing. Plus all the major Bush era establishment cronies are basically ditching the party. With the Lincoln party, they've lost all credibility.

The GOP isn't even "republican" when it comes to the economy. All they do is prattle about "cutting the federal gov't." Yet for the past 30+ years the government and its spending has consistently been growing.

Lord Invictus said:
Liberals and leftists are as vicious as they are childish. They do not consider losses legitimate or believe that their enemies have beliefs that should be respected. After all racism be bad yo!
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You should make a differentiation between genuine liberals and leftists. There are many of what would be considered Center-of left voters who voted reluctantly for Trump.

Lord Invictus said:
Most of the Republican Party, the Lincoln project etc... is in total alignment with the above. It is also not our friend.
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True. I'm pretty bitter about the GOP and Fox. I was always iffy about Fox since they weren't as bad as CNN or MSNBC, but they really dropped the ball this time. I'm glad we cut cable in our household. They only thing I really watched Fox for was occasionally Tucker's show from time to time. But Cable media is an ailing beast that needs to die. It was slowly dying until Trump came along and gave them a life-line through rage-bait which they used to subsequently boost viewership with the OrAnGe MaN bAd schtick.
 
Duke Nukem said:
He seemed very calm in that briefing, i think he has a plan.
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I can only hope it is a good plan, because if it fails in one way or the other we are in for some though times. And I am not just thinking fail to stop Biden et al stealing his win, I am more worried about him being successful, but not enough to stop it from escalating.
 
Sir 1000 said:
Unfortunately i have to agree, i think the Republicans have changed quite a bit from the graceful losers they were and they have turned what was once a curbstomping into an actual fight. However i'm not sure 4 years has been long enough to truly change course when so much of the party is still living fossils who only care about tax cuts and gibs for Israel.

Trump does that to a degree but he fights back on numerous fronts that typical Republican's ignore or concede without a fight. I would be more comfortable with 4 more years and some more aggressive new blood tbh. Because the seeming lack of support from Republicans regarding the voting fraud speaks of a battered wife about to give her ex just one more chance.
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Everything comes back to Trump; imagine if they hadn't run him as their nominee for the 2016 election, and ended up with someone like Jeb Bush instead. Now realize that if Trump loses reelection, and for some reason decides not to run in 2024, the Republican party has almost nobody else like him; Jeb Bush for 2024 is a very real possibility.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going to vote for Jeb Bush, or Mitt Romney, or any other member of the Republican establishment; so unless somebody like Dan Crenshaw gets the nomination, or another outsider like Trump, the Republican party is as good as dead in my eyes.
 
Terthna said:
Everything comes back to Trump; imagine if they hadn't run him as their nominee for the 2016 election, and ended up with someone like Jeb Bush instead. Now realize that if Trump loses reelection, and for some reason decides not to run in 2024, the Republican party has almost nobody else like him; Jeb Bush for 2024 is a very real possibility.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going to vote for Jeb Bush, or Mitt Romney, or any other member of the Republican establishment; so unless somebody like Dan Crenshaw gets the nomination, or another outsider like Trump, the Republican party is as good as dead in my eyes.
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Noem is better Crenshaw has backed dumb stuff like the red flag bill
 
Basileus_Komnenos said:
True. I'm pretty bitter about the GOP and Fox. I was always iffy about Fox since they weren't as bad as CNN or MSNBC, but they really dropped the ball this time. I'm glad we cut cable in our household. They only thing I really watched Fox for was occasionally Tucker's show from time to time. But Cable media is an ailing beast that needs to die. It was slowly dying until Trump came along and gave them a life-line through rage-bait which they used to subsequently boost viewership with the OrAnGe MaN bAd schtick.
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You do know that FOX stopped being FOX when Disney bought them, right?
 
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