Business & Finance Economic Fallout: Pandemic, Brandon, Money Printer Go Brr, Ukraine.

Agent23

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we can make fertalizers out of natural gas and since were one of the biggest exporters of the stuff were actually fine when it comes to that well as long as we are not retarded about it.
It is a feedstock, since you need energy,but you need nitrogen and potassium as well.
Potassium is a necessary element for plant growth, and even if you have alternate sources of potash you'd need time to ramp up production.
Rick Rule for example is constantly on about how it can take up to a decade for a mine of any type to be authorized, good luck making up the shortfalls.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
It is a feedstock, since you need energy,but you need nitrogen and potassium as well.
Potassium is a necessary element for plant growth, and even if you have alternate sources of potash you'd need time to ramp up production.
Rick Rule for example is constantly on about how it can take up to a decade for a mine of any type to be authorized, good luck making up the shortfalls.
Potash already is mined and available in the US, and all that they need to do is ramp up production, not really open new mines.
 

Agent23

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Potash already is mined and available in the US, and all that they need to do is ramp up production, not really open new mines.
Oh, really, and by how much and how fast will you be able to do that?
What are the proven reserves?
 

Bacle

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Oh, really, and by how much and how fast will you be able to do that?
What are the proven reserves?
Just take a look here:

As of 2015, most US potash comes from Canada, with US domestic sources in Utah, New Mexico, and Michigan (though the Michigan mines had ceased production at the time of publication, but still had reserves left).

So we have at least three states with proven reserves, along with most of our potash coming from Canada, which won't be affected by the Russia embargo/sanctions, and Israel has potash as well, which also won't be hit by sanctions.

So realistically, the cost of potash might go up a bit, due to how the global trading systems work, but the US's supplies of potash are not dependent on Russia and are not something that Russia can cut off.
 

Agent23

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Just take a look here:

As of 2015, most US potash comes from Canada, with US domestic sources in Utah, New Mexico, and Michigan (though the Michigan mines had ceased production at the time of publication, but still had reserves left).

So we have at least three states with proven reserves, along with most of our potash coming from Canada, which won't be affected by the Russia embargo/sanctions, and Israel has potash as well, which also won't be hit by sanctions.

So realistically, the cost of potash might go up a bit, due to how the global trading systems work, but the US's supplies of potash are not dependent on Russia and are not something that Russia can cut off.
That helps me a hell of a lot in Europe!

Also, more regulation and higher unit labor costs and energy and transportation costs = more expensive food everywhere.
Planting crops takes time and money,restarting and expanding mining takes time and money, and do you think the reetards in the Brandon administration are helping the process?
 

Bacle

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That helps me a hell of a lot in Europe!
You were acting like the US was fucked by being cut off from Russian potash, and I showed you why that simply isn't the case.

Also, you should be angry at Russia for going full retard, not the US for having our own domestic supplies of critical materials and trade that Russia cannot cut off.
Also, more regulation and higher unit labor costs and energy and transportation costs = more expensive food everywhere.
Planting crops takes time and money,restarting and expanding mining takes time and money, and do you think the reetards in the Brandon administration are helping the process?
The mines already exist, and potash is not a mining process that uses a lot of harsh chemicals like gold or silver lining, the environmental groups barely care about potash mines because they do produce necessary material with minimum environmental damage, so regs won't be a huge issue.

Plus, a bunch of new mining jobs coming into being will help people get stable, well paying jobs, and will stimulate local economies, and even the Biden regime is not retarded enough to think they can create an alternative to potash out of thin air.
 

Cherico

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That helps me a hell of a lot in Europe!

Also, more regulation and higher unit labor costs and energy and transportation costs = more expensive food everywhere.
Planting crops takes time and money,restarting and expanding mining takes time and money, and do you think the reetards in the Brandon administration are helping the process?

our farmers will gladly sell food to you guys.
 

Agent23

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You were acting like the US was fucked by being cut off from Russian potash, and I showed you why that simply isn't the case.

Also, you should be angry at Russia for going full retard, not the US for having our own domestic supplies of critical materials and trade that Russia cannot cut off.
The mines already exist, and potash is not a mining process that uses a lot of harsh chemicals like gold or silver lining, the environmental groups barely care about potash mines because they do produce necessary material with minimum environmental damage, so regs won't be a huge issue.

Plus, a bunch of new mining jobs coming into being will help people get stable, well paying jobs, and will stimulate local economies, and even the Biden regime is not retarded enough to think they can create an alternative to potash out of thin air.
No, go watch Stone's "Ukraine on Fire" and John Mearsheimer's "Why Is Ukraine the West's fault", Nuland, McCain and the rest of the neocuck/neolib/atlanticist estalishement pushed for this since before 2014.

Also,if our food production falls and if we can't get fertilizers and energy from Russia, guess where we will be buying them from.
Capitalism 101, you get energy and fertilizer and food price inflation, too.
Ain't globalism grand. :ROFLMAO:

Russia counter-sanctioned the EU after we sanctioned them, including with unprecedented shit like attacking their Central bank.
The DEI/ESG garbage that led to us burning money on green nonsense is also a fad instituted by the USA.

And it is your media that pushes much of the green narrative globally.

I'd say this is split 50/50 between the EU and the USA's establishments,it would have been less severe if the top Eurocrats had not been such morons.
Get woke, go broke needs to hit them like a ton of bricks, sadly they are not elected and can't be voted out of office, they should have resigned already, and not be able to get elected or assigned as civil representative in the shittiest village in Romania.
 

Bacle

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Founder
No, go watch Stone's "Ukraine on Fire" and John Mearsheimer's "Why Is Ukraine the West's fault", Nuland, McCain and the rest of the neocuck/neolib/atlanticist estalishement pushed for this since before 2014.

Also,if our food production falls and if we can't get fertilizers and energy from Russia, guess where we will be buying them from.
Capitalism 101, you get energy and fertilizer and food price inflation, too.
Ain't globalism grand. :ROFLMAO:

Russia counter-sanctioned the EU after we sanctioned them, including with unprecedented shit like attacking their Central bank.
The DEI/ESG garbage that led to us burning money on green nonsense is also a fad instituted by the USA.

And it is your media that pushes much of the green narrative globally.

I'd say this is split 50/50 between the EU and the USA's establishments,it would have been less severe if the top Eurocrats had not been such morons.
Get woke, go broke needs to hit them like a ton of bricks, sadly they are not elected and can't be voted out of office, they should have resigned already, and not be able to get elected or assigned as civil representative in the shittiest village in Romania.
I know about the bullshit the US is involved in/has been involved in with regards to Ukraine; it's why I've likened Zelenski to Baghdad Bob lately, and have said the US should not have gotten involved in this mess.

However, that does not change that is it Russia/Putin who decided to invade.

Also, how about just buying potash from Israel? Did that not even occur to you?

Prices might go up, but I seriously doubt the food supply for Europe is actually going to be under threat.

And don't complain to us about the EU stupidity; you Euro's did that to yourselves.
 

Agent23

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I know about the bullshit the US is involved in/has been involved in with regards to Ukraine; it's why I've likened Zelenski to Baghdad Bob lately, and have said the US should not have gotten involved in this mess.

However, that does not change that is it Russia/Putin who decided to invade.

After you and your pet morons in NATO goaded him into disregarding the Minsk process.
And by pushing NATO expansion despite Putin telling all of us it is a red line.
Also, we'd still have Belarus production if you did not try to Color Revolution Lukashenko.

Also, how about just buying potash from Israel? Did that not even occur to you?

Prices might go up, but I seriously doubt the food supply for Europe is actually going to be under threat.

And don't complain to us about the EU stupidity; you Euro's did that to yourselves.

Mines can produce a certain amount, logistic lines can ship a certain amount, factories can manufacture a certain amount.
Supply chains do not magically reallign and mines don't magically start producing 40% more overnight and for free.

I am seeing a lot of do this, do that,buy from there, I am not seeing hard figures and estimates.

I posted hard figures and estimates.
 

Captain X

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*sigh* I was hoping to put down some concrete for a garage this summer. I already punted on it from last year, because the cost was so high (~$7000), and I was hoping that after all the COVID madness died down that the price would drop. Now I'm beginning to regret just not ripping the band-aid off then. :(
 

Agent23

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No one can blame Poland for having a vendetta against the world considering how royally they have been fucked over after saving it more than once
Don't care what they do on their own time and dime.
We are in the same alliances, though.
Also:

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Looks like Poland is getting itself spit-roasted from both directions again.
The crybully eurocrat betacucks can't resist the opportunity to kick somebody when they are down.
Well, it is not like I didn't predict this or anything.
 

posh-goofiness

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*sigh* I was hoping to put down some concrete for a garage this summer. I already punted on it from last year, because the cost was so high (~$7000), and I was hoping that after all the COVID madness died down that the price would drop. Now I'm beginning to regret just not ripping the band-aid off then. :(
Perhaps gravel as a stop gap? Not great, but should last a few years.
 

Agent23

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*sigh* I was hoping to put down some concrete for a garage this summer. I already punted on it from last year, because the cost was so high (~$7000), and I was hoping that after all the COVID madness died down that the price would drop. Now I'm beginning to regret just not ripping the band-aid off then. :(
Perhaps gravel as a stop gap? Not great, but should last a few years.
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Well, I guess the economic apocalypse is not that bad if I can rub the people who advocated for it's noses into the whole disgusting business and they get damaged, too.
 
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