That would be Pete he is in charge of transportation and this is his only job.
East Palestine Ohio Train Crash & Poison Gas Plume Megathread
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That would be Pete he is in charge of transportation and this is his only job.
hyperspacewizard
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I’m mean closer to on the ground level (the state or company manger someone who should be looking at these trains and tracks semi regularly) I’m just suspicious of all this happening so close together. One accidental sure but five all with in a week or two of each other feels planned to me.
I’m wish Pete would do his job too or face some kind of consequence but I just want an explanation and a fix to all these derailments.
I’m sure the actual workers where sounding some kind of alarm for years or months but where ignored that’s usually how that goes.
Texas derail happened b/c a truck got in the way of the train, not b/c of weather or track conditions.
hyperspacewizard
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Okay it’s still crazy that so many are happening so close to one another no matter the causes behind them maybe it’s just being reported on more but the frequency hasn’t changed? I know that happens sometimes with stuff like this.
America has been ignoring its inforstructor for decades now, and have been warned about this for decades too.
The media has decided that it's a topic to talk about due to few high profile ones.
Meanwhile, the full statistic, averaging since the 90's, is several derailments per day.
How often do trains derail? More than you think
While passenger trains on average tend to be one of the safest modes of transportation in the United States, derailments do happen and are actually more common than you might think.
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hyperspacewizard
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Thank you I appreciate the info while on one hand that stops the conspiracy part of my brain holy crap that’s a lot and needs to be fixed like Cherico said every bit or Americas infrastructure needs to be reviewed and fixed or replaced.The media has decided that it's a topic to talk about due to few high profile ones.
Meanwhile, the full statistic, averaging since the 90's, is several derailments per day.
How often do trains derail? More than you think
While passenger trains on average tend to be one of the safest modes of transportation in the United States, derailments do happen and are actually more common than you might think.
Prince Ire
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For a bit of added context, the owners in that case were found innocent on manslaughter charges and while they had to pay a fee of $75 per worker, they received over five times that amount per worker in payouts from their insurance company.
How the Triangle Fire Transformed Workplace Safety
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~1700 trains derail per year in the US.
Bear Ribs
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Even worse, that was the fifth time it happened to the owners, each time mysteriously when the garment they were manufacturing went out of fashion and they'd need expensive replacements of the factory equipment unless it happened to burn down and insurance companies would pay for replacement manufactories.
And two years later they were caught locking their workers in a firetrap again... and got fined a grand total of twenty dollars.
KilroywasNOTHere
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now hold on I thought that was what TaXeS were for/s
Devil's advocate: wouldn't it be the responsibility of the companies that own the tracks?
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KilroywasNOTHere
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oh totally I was being sarcastic because that's what many on the left argue taxes are for even when the government doesn't have much involvement in infostructure.
PsihoKekec
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Many blame the precision scheduled railroading along with cutting costs in maintenance, for such state of matters in a first world nation. Basically, the personnel numbers are cut to minimum or bellow it (it looks great in quarterly report to shareholders), maintenance is often outsourced to a lowest bid contractor (it looks great in quarterly report to shareholders), while tight schedules leave a little slack for any inconvenience.
So, shit breaks because someone doesn't maintain the train parts or railroad sections.
Many blame the precision scheduled railroading along with cutting costs in maintenance, for such state of matters in a first world nation. Basically, the personnel numbers are cut to minimum or bellow it (it looks great in quarterly report to shareholders), maintenance is often outsourced to a lowest bid contractor (it looks great in quarterly report to shareholders), while tight schedules leave a little slack for any inconvenience.
Why are insurers and regulators ok with this, especially for hazmat transports? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that ignoring such problems will lead to accidents and they will have to pay out.
If that happened in aircraft or even ships, the insurer would drop the offender like a hot potato.
"Unelected Puppet has been removed from office due to his incompetence and cruelty to the average citizen"
"Please welcome Unelected Puppet 2! Your new president!"
The amount they need to pay out is probably smaller than all the bribes they get.
And the amount the companies get fined is less than the insurance payout they get.
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Karmic Acumen
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Apparently, the CDC changed toxicity info on vinyl chloride days before the derailment.
"The CDC update changed the lethal exposure from 100PPM to 100,000PPM. The lethal exposure level had remained the same for 17 years before the CDC decided to update the number just prior to the derailment, where highly toxic chemicals spilled or were burned off, leaving a chemical stench in the air nearly two weeks later."
newspunch.com
Weird, huh?
"The CDC update changed the lethal exposure from 100PPM to 100,000PPM. The lethal exposure level had remained the same for 17 years before the CDC decided to update the number just prior to the derailment, where highly toxic chemicals spilled or were burned off, leaving a chemical stench in the air nearly two weeks later."
'Inside Job': CDC Changed Toxicity Info on Vinyl Chloride Days Before Derailment
What are the odds?
newspunch.com
Weird, huh?
Because unlike aircraft and ships, trains are much more fixed to specific infrastructure, which is owned by a decreasing number of companies, and new rail lines can take decades to get approved, never mind built.
And that's before you get to the overworked, underpaid, and nearly wage-slave conditions some railroads operators in the US force on their employees.
All that matters to the US rail companies is quarterly earnings, not the long term.