East Palestine Ohio Train Crash & Poison Gas Plume Megathread

[Agent23]

Not that reasonable; watching the video, they keep trying to make excuses for the harpies on the View, and end up coming to a conclusion that is only slightly different from theirs. Because while they agree that the disaster is in fact all Trump's and the Republicans' fault, they argue that the people of East Palestine Ohio were simply misguided by corporate media into supporting the evil rightwingers. Because as every regressive leftist claims whenever the media contradicts or otherwise impedes their agenda knows, all media is biased towards the right.

And was Biden misguided by the right-wing corporate media to side with the railroads vs. the railroad workers unions?

Humm, wonder which host on Fox is his favorite.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

So just like the aftermath of 9/11 when the government told people everything was fine and there was nothing to be worried about. I’m pretty sure I even quoted someone from the area who called it earlier in the thread.

Yet Biden refuses to visit the town.

 

[Zyobot]

Bit off-topic, but since people mention federal negligence, I’m reminded of when Obama tried to reassure the residents of Flint, Michigan that their water was safe back in the day.



Notice how his lips barely touched the glass, as well as how the Press Corps just chuckled and let it slide as Obama kept talking inanely. Saddest part is, I don’t think Biden’s quite smooth enough to pull off what his boss did with a straight face, assuming his hand is forced before East Palestine is memory-holed for good.

 

[Bassoe]

Yet Biden refuses to visit the town.

Not even sure what he’s worried about. He’s ancient, age will probably kill him long before the cancerogenic chemicals have a chance to do their thing. Twelve year average latency period, he's eighty and the average American male lifespan is 77.28 years.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Not even sure what he’s worried about. He’s ancient, age will probably kill him long before the cancerogenic chemicals have a chance to do their thing. Twelve year average latency period, he's eighty and the average American male lifespan is 77.28 years.

Fox News, Newsmax, America's Voice and Fox Business milking this story 24/7.

 

[Bacle]

Another train carrying hazmat material has derailed on a Norfolk Southern Line in Ohio.

Edit: Video of the derailment:


Edit 2: Now NS is claiming the train did not have any hazmat aboard:

 

[Scooby Doo]

Okay one time is a coincidence, twice tho?
Something SUS is going on

 

[Spartan303]

At this point Biden should be convening an emergency meeting with the Rail lines to find a way to fix these problems post haste. The Media isn't really hammering him either. So that means he either doesn't care or something more nefarious that I'm not quite ready to state, yet.

 

[Abhorsen]

Okay one time is a coincidence, twice tho?
Something SUS is going on

There's a 1000 derailments/year. My guess is that a lot of shipped stuff has some form of hazmat. It's usually just not all that bad. That time it was.

If derailment is fine for the companies involved and the companies are completely liable for spillage and cleanup and negative health results from it, I don't see a reason for Biden to step in other than to start getting the messaging of what was spilled and how bad it is correct and stop lying, and just to remind them that they are completely liable. And if they know it threatens people's health (no one really cares about derailment if it's carrying lumber, for example, as long as the conductors are fine), they are criminally liable.

 

[Scooby Doo]

There's a 1000 derailments/year. My guess is that a lot of shipped stuff has some form of hazmat. It's usually just not all that bad. That time it was.

If derailment is fine for the companies involved and the companies are completely liable for spillage and cleanup and negative health results from it, I don't see a reason for Biden to step in other than to start getting the messaging of what was spilled and how bad it is correct and stop lying.

Aren't most derailments a year minor ones tho not major ones that happened? I thought I recall someone say East Palestine type derailments are twice or thrice a year.

 

[Abhorsen]

Aren't most derailments a year minor ones tho not major ones that happened? I thought I recall someone say East Palestine type derailments are twice or thrice a year.

I really have no idea what the dividing line between the two is. Still, I generally view the government as something that should do nothing until a fuckup, then come down like a hammer on those who fucked up.

 

[Cherico]

Aren't most derailments a year minor ones tho not major ones that happened? I thought I recall someone say East Palestine type derailments are twice or thrice a year.

The problem of never letting a crisis go to waste is eventually people blame you for the crisis's

 

[Spartan303]

I really have no idea what the dividing line between the two is. Still, I generally view the government as something that should do nothing until a fuckup, then come down like a hammer on those who fucked up.

From what I understand, there is no easy solution of Government controlled vs Private sector. Europe is apparently in a similar situation though only slightly better than we are. Here in South Carolina I've noticed a ton of rail work already underway, so its possible other corporations are seeing the writing on the wall and finally putting the money up for repairs and upgrades.

I won't hold my breath though.

 

[f1onagher]

The problem is that its difficult to create oversight of the rail lines without creating perverse incentives for the government. Nationalization of the railroads will, at the very best, trade out the current problems for a different set and will more likely just make the current situation worse.

Honestly, the best thing the government could do now (outside of snapping the railroads' wrists) would be to overturn the Jones Act and let America's waterways take on at least some of the cargo burden that's crushing the railroads.

 

[Cherico]

The problem is that its difficult to create oversight of the rail lines without creating perverse incentives for the government. Nationalization of the railroads will, at the very best, trade out the current problems for a different set and will more likely just make the current situation worse.

Honestly, the best thing the government could do now (outside of snapping the railroads' wrists) would be to overturn the Jones Act and let America's waterways take on at least some of the cargo burden that's crushing the railroads.

Getting rid of that would likely do a lot for the economy as a whole

 

[hyperspacewizard]

The problem is that its difficult to create oversight of the rail lines without creating perverse incentives for the government. Nationalization of the railroads will, at the very best, trade out the current problems for a different set and will more likely just make the current situation worse.

Honestly, the best thing the government could do now (outside of snapping the railroads' wrists) would be to overturn the Jones Act and let America's waterways take on at least some of the cargo burden that's crushing the railroads.

The jones act is the one that prevents foreign ships from being used on our river ways right? If it’s the one im thinking of that’s a relic of it’s time and needs to go for sure.

 

[Culsu]

The sad thing is, we can believe it boils down to malice, but at the end of the day it'll be greed, laziness and incompetence which are the culprits here. Any sane state and federal government would look at these numbers and balk at the fact that fundamental national transport infrastructure is being handled in such an utterly reckless way. I know the standard reaction to the idea of regulations on part of much of the American public is revulsion, but this simply is something where the hammer needs to come down, hard.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Okay one time is a coincidence, twice tho?
Something SUS is going on

I just found out about another incident earlier this morning.

 

[Agent23]

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77 is the average for normal americans not those that have access to young blood/adrenochrome/etc. 😂

 

[Captain X]