Terthna
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A surprisingly large number of martial arts turn out to be completely useless when used against anything other than another practitioner of same discipline.
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Depends on the school. There are thousands of fake schools in China. Setup by the CCP to milk tourists. Actual martial artists are rare Mao had the practitioners executed and their libraries and temples burned. There are some that still remain but good luck finding them in the sea of fakes
Indeed I just singled kung fu as the thread is about China specifically
Perhaps but I've never met one and I've met alot who claim what you're claiming. Who then couldn't throw hands and proceeded to get pummeled by myself and many other who can throw hands. The onus of proof is on them and in 3 decades they have spectacularly failed to provide said proof. Also consider MMA we have seen practitioners from many martial arts demonstrate the validity of thier arts in live combat. Within these competitions everything from Karate to boxing but in all this time and quite literally thousands of fights. We still haven't seen any Kung fun fighters succefully demonstrate the combat validity of thier art.
We have seen Jeet Kune Do though and that is developed and refined from several schools of traditional Gong Fu by Bruce Lee. And it is a very effective combat art. There is one famous fighter in China but he got his social credit cratered for challenging all the fake masters dishonored Gong fu. Xu Xiaodong he is now banned from traveling and has Ministry of Internal Security spies following him everywhere. He gets harrased by Security troops everywhere he goes now.
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Jeep Kun do includes various proven arts is the thing. Such as boxing,Tae Kwon Do,and Savate calling it Kung fu is a serious reach in my opinion. Look I'm not trying to talk s*it about Kung fu but facts are facts and the Chinese Martial Arts have performed abysmally in competition.
Yup. Because every one's who competed were fakes or taught by fakes. The few who are legitimate fighters like Xu can't leave China because they committed the sin of exposing the CCP fraud. I don't really care in the end. CCP has destroyed themselves and is desperately aping the past they have no connection to. As a foundation for all their bullshit claims in the present day and to milk money out of gullible Westerners.
Maybe but it sounds like an excuse to me. Especially considering that the Chinese are insanely nationalistic even compared to us Americans.I have a hard time believing that Beijing wouldn't want to push an effective example of thier national martial art onto the world stage.
"You punch, say Hail Xi, then kick, say Hail Xi--"
"Uh, sir? When do we play hot potato with live grenades?"
"That's Basic Training, conscript."
LordsFire
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The really hilarious thing about all this, is that if the CCP had a lick of sense, they could have instead hailed Xu as a national hero, and commissioned him with official authority to go around the entire country, exposing frauds, and starting proper teaching of real martial arts.
It would have made the CCP and China both seem more credible, and more trustworthy.
But communism. Can't have reality interfering with your fantasies!
Probably to prevent themselves from getting out boxed by a modern day Boxer Rebellion.
Martial Arts teaches self reliance, mental strength, and social responsibility. All things dangerous to the CCP its one of the reasons it was destroyed by Mao.
not sure I agree with the highlighted part.
Depends on the teacher. But traditional martial arts comes with rules and a philosophy to live by. Unless you're talking about the watered down sports dojo common in the Americas and Europe.
Shaolin Kung Fu, along with the Buddhism that Shaolin derives from, was being suppressed a great deal during the Qing Dynasty and things simply got worse and worse for them through the 20th Century. It was already on decline when the CCP took over and smashed Buddhism including the Shaolin Monastery version for the better part of fifty years before bringing it back. Most Shaolin Kung Fu in China is basically performative, including impressive forms demonstrations and acrobatics and body conditioning feats and the like.
There's lots of Buddhist temples though that probably offer similar benefits. Might not be the Shaolin derived form of Buddhism but the mindfulness and body conditioning they engage in can be pretty intense if you follow their routines. Buddhist monks in many cases can practice what they preach... so to speak... when it comes to meditation and benefiting oneself and the like but I'm doubtful you'll be able to find a strong martial tradition in the art anymore, at least that reportedly portrayed by Shaolin monks.
The most competitive sport martial art is probably Sanda/San Shou which is basically the Chinese version of sport kickboxing. There's a fair number of MMA and kickboxer types who have professed training in it. It's origins might be in Wushu but it's been very modernized with effective boxing and kickboxing techniques. I doubt its any better or worse on average then many forms of kickboxing or karate or even Tae Kwon Do being practiced. But yeah, if you want to look up Sanda, the most famous practitioner is probably Cung Le whose fought in Strikeforce and the UFC IIRC. I've been watching a lot of One FC (which is like an Asia-Pacific Version of UFC) and there's a Filipino fighter out of Team Lakay who states 'Wushu' is his fighting style but what he means is 'Sanda' whose pretty legitimate as well. His name is Edward Folayang. But he has a Black Belt in BJJ as well.
The only competitive Kung Fu practitioner I can think of offhand is Sean Obasi, he's an American whose dabbled in mixed martial arts and the like, but he also trains in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu so I mean... there's still a big gap in Kung Fu when it comes to ground fighting. I can't think of anyone using Kung Fu as one of their bases off hand. But some Wing Chun looks pretty good for striking. Boxing is probably more efficient generally speaking but if your unconventional and talented, I'm sure Wing Chun or somesuch could be made to work.
Every so often in kickboxing and the like there's a highly skilled kickboxer who uses Tae Kwon Do as a base technique and it's always cool to see. Maybe there's something similarly possible with Wing Chun.
There's lots of Buddhist temples though that probably offer similar benefits. Might not be the Shaolin derived form of Buddhism but the mindfulness and body conditioning they engage in can be pretty intense if you follow their routines. Buddhist monks in many cases can practice what they preach... so to speak... when it comes to meditation and benefiting oneself and the like but I'm doubtful you'll be able to find a strong martial tradition in the art anymore, at least that reportedly portrayed by Shaolin monks.
The most competitive sport martial art is probably Sanda/San Shou which is basically the Chinese version of sport kickboxing. There's a fair number of MMA and kickboxer types who have professed training in it. It's origins might be in Wushu but it's been very modernized with effective boxing and kickboxing techniques. I doubt its any better or worse on average then many forms of kickboxing or karate or even Tae Kwon Do being practiced. But yeah, if you want to look up Sanda, the most famous practitioner is probably Cung Le whose fought in Strikeforce and the UFC IIRC. I've been watching a lot of One FC (which is like an Asia-Pacific Version of UFC) and there's a Filipino fighter out of Team Lakay who states 'Wushu' is his fighting style but what he means is 'Sanda' whose pretty legitimate as well. His name is Edward Folayang. But he has a Black Belt in BJJ as well.
The only competitive Kung Fu practitioner I can think of offhand is Sean Obasi, he's an American whose dabbled in mixed martial arts and the like, but he also trains in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu so I mean... there's still a big gap in Kung Fu when it comes to ground fighting. I can't think of anyone using Kung Fu as one of their bases off hand. But some Wing Chun looks pretty good for striking. Boxing is probably more efficient generally speaking but if your unconventional and talented, I'm sure Wing Chun or somesuch could be made to work.
Every so often in kickboxing and the like there's a highly skilled kickboxer who uses Tae Kwon Do as a base technique and it's always cool to see. Maybe there's something similarly possible with Wing Chun.
I never looked kuch into Shaoilin so thanks for that Husky.
And the thing about Tae Kwon Do, is it has origins in Chinese martial arts and is a fairly young martial art itself