China ChiCom News Thread

[LordsFire]

And neither of those where the points I was making.

If you're trying to talk about what the US has and has not done as Hegemon, and you're going to act like it's monstrous because it hasn't been a pure force of pure pureness, so it should go home and let communists take over the planet, I don't really care what point you're trying to make. You're advocating for even worse things to happen.

If you want to talk about the very real flaws in the most benevolent world hegemon there has ever been, and practical ways to try to fix those flaws, then a meaningful conversation can be had.

 

[AmosTrask]

Shots fired in the Taiwan Straight because CCP militiamen rammed their coast guard cutter.

Good. So far the CCP hasn't attacked Pinoy naval ships directly. It's been bluster and cowardly shit like lasers and spotlights. Every fucking time they yell in broken Chinglish on the radio then sail at top speed away like bitches. I wish they would fire. We've been wanting to shoot back for a long time and remind them why no Chinese colonies have ever survived for long in our islands.

As shit as the USA shenanigans have been. On a whole as Hegemon we prefer them to the 300 years of Spanish occupation or the near 2800 years of the fucking Chinese trying to subjugate us! The USA has been the most Benevolent of the global Empires to have existed.

 

[Sailor.X]

That is the story we Americans seem to like to tell ourselves. It’s a nice lie.

Meanwhile in reality we stick our noses in everything, declare war on flimsy or made up justification and forbid trade with everyone we don’t agree with. All while exporting neo-liberalism and wokist nonsense.

Um What. The US does a lot of good around the world. You just don't see it reported in the news media. Remember the News only tends to report things that go wrong or various conflicts. For every one bad thing you hear about the US there are at least 10 very good things the media does not even cover. Honestly some of you isolationists need to travel the world more and talk to people who the US literally saved from disaster.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

As much as I don’t like my country being under the US’s thumb, I am also a child of Pax Americana. And for that I am grateful.

I’d rather have you lot in charge than the Russians or the Chinese by a very wide margin.

 

[AmosTrask]

For every one bad thing you hear about the US there are at least 10 very good things the media does not even cover. Honestly some of your isolationists need to travel the world more and talk to people who the US literally saved from disaster.

I've long since stopped trying to understand that faction and written them off as lunatics. When you've got KKK, Neo-Nazis and Sovereign Citizens all agreeing on the same topic something sketchy is going on.

What kind of idiot politician goes to a gun store known for supplying radical members of society? Days after one of the aforementioned radicals wearing Nazi symbols openly, massacred colored people in broad daylight. Fascism at its finest. First isolation and consolidation of power. Then Massive expansion and war.

 

[DarthOne]

Um What. The US does a lot of good around the world. You just don't see it reported in the news media. Remember the News only tends to report things that go wrong or various conflicts. For every one bad thing you hear about the US there are at least 10 very good things the media does not even cover. Honestly some of your isolationists need to travel the world more and talk to people who the US literally saved from disaster.

Woooosh.

That’s my point going over your head.

I never said that the USA never does anything good. My point was that the idea that the USA doesn’t do anything besides allow free trade on its own dime and does so out of some sort of goodness of our hearts is a lie

 

[Cherico]

As much as I don’t like my country being under the US’s thumb, I am also a child of Pax Americana. And for that I am grateful.

I’d rather have you lot in charge than the Russians or the Chinese by a very wide margin.

The benifit of having some one as hedgemon who only learns geography by blowing parts of it up is that we tend to be more hands off then most when it comes to internal governance.

 

[LordsFire]

I never said that the USA never does anything good. My point was that the idea that the USA doesn’t do anything besides allow free trade on its own dime and does so out of some sort of goodness of our hearts is a lie

...This is not something I claimed.

What I said, was that free trade across the world is possibly the most benevolent thing any world hegemon has ever done, and that we paid for that ourselves, rather than demanding tribute from everyone who was to participate in it.

 

[Wargamer08]

...This is not something I claimed.

What I said, was that free trade across the world is possibly the most benevolent thing any world hegemon has ever done, and that we paid for that ourselves, rather than demanding tribute from everyone who was to participate in it.

Payment was instead made by buying into the dollar system and letting the US offload its inflatatory mass dollar printing across all users of its carrying trade. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

The system was reasonably balanced in ye olden days when the US had a large amount of industrial and material exports for countries to buy with their dollars. These days?

 

[LordsFire]

Payment was instead made by buying into the dollar system and letting the US offload its inflatatory mass dollar printing across all users of its carrying trade. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

The system was reasonably balanced in ye olden days when the US had a large amount of industrial and material exports for countries to buy with their dollars. These days?

Selling into US markets was an appeal larger than being able to import US goods for much of the Cold War.

And access to the dollar is not a 'burden' for the majority of the time. Yes, when idiots like Biden inflate the currency, it has drawbacks for everyone, but record high US inflation is 'Shit, we hit double-digits!'

It's still far more stable, and useful as a stable medium of exchange, for most nations.

 

[Sir 1000]

I don't understand the joke. Is it a pornographic reference?

Typing with one hand yes🍆 or alternatively victory disease🤔

 

[mandragon]

That is the story we Americans seem to like to tell ourselves. It’s a nice lie.

Meanwhile in reality we stick our noses in everything, declare war on flimsy or made up justification and forbid trade with everyone we don’t agree with. All while exporting neo-liberalism and wokist nonsense.

While this is true so did every other hegemon from the Akkidian empire to the British. We absolutely do so to a lesser extent then any previous great power though. I mean here's the thing you can't reasonably expect any world power to not act like well a world power. That's just an absurdly naive thing to believe will ever happen.

 

[DarthOne]

While this is true so did every other hegemon from the Akkidian empire to the British. We absolutely do so to a lesser extent then any previous great power though. I mean here's the thing you can't reasonably expect any world power to not act like well a world power. That's just an absurdly naive thing to believe will ever happen.

I don’t disagree with this. I just have a problem with Americans not being honest with themselves and others over what they are doing and why.

 

[History Learner]

Remember the China is collapsing stuff from earlier in the Summer?

 

[Cherico]

The long term fundamentals are still entirely shit.

An aging population that got old before it got rich, huge amounts of corruption, large scale environmental degredation, a government that has centeralized all power into a singular human being, numerous issues with getting clean water, the fact that 3 gorges was built near the center of one of their largest nagivable rivers and now its a massive weak point that could kill millions of people if anything happened to it.

Then add in the fact that their the single most overleveraged country in human history with inflation worse then the US and you have a property market thats has a problem thats going to be worse then the US subprime market and all of this looks to be hitting them at the same fucking time.

China is the single most impressive economic game of Jenga ever played and is a good example of the old saying.

"The market can stay irrational longer then you can stay solvent."

China is due for an incredibly painful market correction, this happens to all countries sooner or later. Honestly as shit as things are globally from what I know of history they actually should be markedly worse.

 

[DarthOne]

The long term fundamentals are still entirely shit.

An aging population that got old before it got rich, huge amounts of corruption, large scale environmental degredation, a government that has centeralized all power into a singular human being, numerous issues with getting clean water, the fact that 3 gorges was built near the center of one of their largest nagivable rivers and now its a massive weak point that could kill millions of people if anything happened to it.

Then add in the fact that their the single most overleveraged country in human history with inflation worse then the US and you have a property market thats has a problem thats going to be worse then the US subprime market and all of this looks to be hitting them at the same fucking time.

China is the single most impressive economic game of Jenga ever played and is a good example of the old saying.

"The market can stay irrational longer then you can stay solvent."

China is due for an incredibly painful market correction, this happens to all countries sooner or later. Honestly as shit as things are globally from what I know of history they actually should be markedly worse.

Question: has anyone seriously looked into what the side effects of the would be globally and for the USA?

 

[Zachowon]

The fact you believe the numbers from China shows your true colors

 

[DarthOne]

The fact you believe the numbers from China shows your true colors

Who me?

 

[Zachowon]

Who me?

No not you.
You have a decent understanding and take both sides here.

And as for.your question, the world and the US would definitely hurt when China collapses but we will survive

 

[History Learner]

Question: has anyone seriously looked into what the side effects of the would be globally and for the USA?

Hundreds of thousands of additional deaths every year, due to the loss of Chinese Anti-Biotics alone. More broadly, the entire U.S. medical infrastructure could collapse which would result in the loss of millions of people each year. Expanding from there, the loss of Chinese supply chains for our electronics industry would probably collapse the U.S. economy, given our dependence on the Chinese for that.

The Anti-China stuff of a lot of people is a textbook case of cutting off the nose to spite the face.