China ChiCom News Thread

[History Learner]

What are you smoking?
There was no war then (just as officially there isn't one now, but back then Russia was officially denying having anything to do with the violence in Ukraine), and the ammo was not destined for Ukraine.
By your logic USA would be more justified in blowing shit up in the USSR and China during the Vietnam War.
Also we were talking of the risk of nuclear escalation, not making excuses and throwing blame, in case you have forgotten, and using historical events to gauge where the risk threshold is and where it isn't.
>civilian infrastructure
Fuel is as vital to modern warfare as ammo.

Apparently smoking your critical thinking capacity, such as it exists to begin with:

According to the Czech newsmagazine Respekt, the ammunition stored in the exploded depot was to be sold to Ukraine battling in the war in Donbas through the Bulgarian arms trader Emiliyan Gebrev (Емилиян Гебрев);[23][25] Gebrev himself was poisoned in 2015 allegedly by the GRU.[23][26] Jan Hamáček said the munitions were not planned to explode on Czech territory but only after being transported to Bulgaria.[27] According to the news portal of Seznam.cz, the ammunition was to be sold to the Syrian opposition battling in the civil war against the Armed Forces led by Bashar al-Assad, an ally of Russia.[28] EMCO, the Gebrev company, published a statement denying that the ammunition was heading to Syria or Ukraine.[29] Later, Gebrev admitted in his email to The New York Times that his company had shipped military equipment to Ukraine after 2014.[30]​

That you can't tell the difference between an explicitly civilian oil refinery and an ammo depot which was specifically designated as going to Ukraine, then my opinion of your reasoning capacities continues to decline.

Blah blah blah, low effort snipe snipes.

I know I've got you lot so ass blasted when you're crowd sourcing the same sentences. Cope and seethe harder, dear.

 

[History Learner]

They already did the same shit long before they invaded Ukraine, and the Russians didn't get glasses when they did it to us and our allies.

But despite your name, you show you really have learned nothing from history and just like to do low-effort, low intelligence snipe-posting.

By all means, do tell us where and when Russian conducted a conventional attack upon critical energy infrastructure in the West? I'll eagerly await.

 

[Bacle]

By all means, do tell us where and when Russian conducted a conventional attack upon critical energy infrastructure in the West? I'll eagerly await.

So, you just want to ignore the evidence of Russia using drones to torch ammo warhouses in Eastern Europe, before the invasion, that I believe @Marduk posted?

 

[History Learner]

So, you just want to ignore the evidence of Russia using drones to torch ammo warhouses in Eastern Europe, before the invasion, that I believe @Marduk posted?

Haven't seen it, no, but that's a nice goal post shift from what the original contention was when I pointed out you advocating attacks on civilian infrastructure is a rather different thing entirely from targeting explicitly military gear.

 

[Bacle]

Haven't seen it, no, but that's a nice goal post shift from what the original contention was when I pointed out you advocating attacks on civilian infrastructure is a rather different thing entirely from targeting explicitly military gear.

That military gear was in storage in civie areas in Eastern Europe when torched.

So not goal post shift, it's you just wanting to shill for Putin-Sempai.

 

[History Learner]

That military gear was in storage in civie areas in Eastern Europe when torched.

So not goal post shift, it's you just wanting to shill for Putin-Sempai.

Yes, it's a goal post shift and you've compounded it with another. You're no longer denying the fact it was a valid military target, you've not goal post shifted into saying it being near civilian areas somehow makes it not a target. That you didn't stop to consider that energy infrastructure you want to target is also near civilian areas and is entirely manned by civilians somehow never entered your thinking is interesting.

I would have a lot more respect for you if you just openly admitted the double standards here or didn't try to have these moral games at all. Just say you hate Russia/Russians and want to hit them; that's more consistent.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Ok, that's a new one, and rather worrying.

Yeah the story is crazy... All more because I hear about it from Taiwanese English language media before American media.

Thank Goodness (or God) that the shooters gun momentarily jammed a former Pastor threw a chair at him and apparently knocked the gun out of his hand. And a bunch of Senior Citizen level parishioners (most were apparently elderly) wrestled him to the ground.

And the only person killed (hopefully since the oldest perso injured is apparently 92!) was a brave Doctor who rushed and attempted to tackle the assailant reportedly.

And before he opened fire he bailed the doors shut apparently!!!

But yeah now it comes out the shooter might've attended the inaugural meeting of some pro-ChiCom organization called the National Association for China’s Peaceful Unification.

Taiwanese councilwoman lauds 'amazing' seniors who subdued church shooter | Taiwan News | 2022-05-17 19:06:00

Huang praised 'agongs' and 'amas' for having presence of mind to respond | 2022-05-17 19:06:00

www.taiwannews.com.tw

Church shooter allegedly member of radical CCP Taiwan annexation group | Taiwan News | 2022-05-17 12:42:00

FAPA urges US to label groups affiliated with shooter as 'domestic terrorists' | 2022-05-17 12:42:00

www.taiwannews.com.tw

 

[Bacle]

Yes, it's a goal post shift and you've compounded it with another. You're no longer denying the fact it was a valid military target, you've not goal post shifted into saying it being near civilian areas somehow makes it not a target. That you didn't stop to consider that energy infrastructure you want to target is also near civilian areas and is entirely manned by civilians somehow never entered your thinking is interesting.

I would have a lot more respect for you if you just openly admitted the double standards here or didn't try to have these moral games at all. Just say you hate Russia/Russians and want to hit them; that's more consistent.

I don't give a fuck about whether you respect me or not, given how often you literally just post to snipe at me and others, and cheer for the deaths of Israel soldiers on the regular.

My standards are not 'double standards', they are standards that also take into account context and coinciding factors.

But hey, keep shilling for Putin, Xi, and the Ayetollah; maybe one of their cronies will send some money your way for being such a good propaganda agent.

 

[History Learner]

I don't give a fuck about whether you respect me or not, given how often you literally just post to snipe at me and others, and cheer for the deaths of Israel soldiers on the regular.

My standards are not 'double standards', they are standards that also take into account context and coinciding factors.

But hey, keep shilling for Putin, Xi, and the Ayetollah; maybe one of their cronies will send some money your way for being such a good propaganda agent.

Oh, they're precisely double standards, they're made up on the spot for whatever deal or spur of the moment thing you decide to support like a living caricature of the NPC meme. That's why you've now switched to whining about me "snipping at you" instead of actually responding to me pointing out how you were, as I said, using a spur of the moment double standard. You can't actually-or won't-engage with the points I make to you because you know I'm right on this; there's no real consistency to your positions.

As for my personal beliefs, nice goal post shift by the way, yes, death to the IDF and Ukrainian Army. Now go cope and seethe over it.

 

[Marduk]

Haven't seen it, no, but that's a nice goal post shift from what the original contention was when I pointed out you advocating attacks on civilian infrastructure is a rather different thing entirely from targeting explicitly military gear.

Ok, attacking civilian infrastructure haram?

Russian cyberattacks target Norway’s infrastructure

Russia is ratcheting up “hybrid” operations such as cyberattacks and signal-jamming in Scandinavia at a time of tensions on Nato’s eastern flank, the Norwegian

www.thetimes.co.uk

Here, Russia cyberattacking Norway's, with a side dish of EW, a NATO country's civilian infrastructure.

Apparently smoking your critical thinking capacity, such as it exists to begin with:

According to the Czech newsmagazine Respekt, the ammunition stored in the exploded depot was to be sold to Ukraine battling in the war in Donbas through the Bulgarian arms trader Emiliyan Gebrev (Емилиян Гебрев);[23][25] Gebrev himself was poisoned in 2015 allegedly by the GRU.[23][26] Jan Hamáček said the munitions were not planned to explode on Czech territory but only after being transported to Bulgaria.[27] According to the news portal of Seznam.cz, the ammunition was to be sold to the Syrian opposition battling in the civil war against the Armed Forces led by Bashar al-Assad, an ally of Russia.[28] EMCO, the Gebrev company, published a statement denying that the ammunition was heading to Syria or Ukraine.[29] Later, Gebrev admitted in his email to The New York Times that his company had shipped military equipment to Ukraine after 2014.[30]​

That you can't tell the difference between an explicitly civilian oil refinery and an ammo depot which was specifically designated as going to Ukraine, then my opinion of your reasoning capacities continues to decline.

Great, so USA can bomb all ammo storage and manufacturing facilities in Russia used to support Syria, Libya, LNR and DNR, or any of the other countries and paramilitaries in the world USA doesn't like that Russia does weapon business with? Wow, i didn't know you are such a neocon. Don't you think that would cause a nuclear war?
Lemme remind you that Russia was not even officially at war in Ukraine.
And by any conventional military wisdom fuel is considered a "strategic resource" and hence related infrastructure is never considered an invalid military target.
Consider the amount of oil refineries bombed over all the wars of XX century. How many of these refineries were not "explicitly civilian"? Were there military oil refineries?
Can you explain to all of us what does a military oil refinery look like and how is it different form a civilian one?

Either way, it is a pointless distinction, because neither is a war crime, and both are in potential act of war territory that yet somehow doesn't result in war.

I know I've got you lot so ass blasted when you're crowd sourcing the same sentences. Cope and seethe harder, dear.

Sod off cucked fake right winger and go fellate Putin harder.

 

[Zachowon]

Civilian and military targets are often the same

 

[Husky_Khan]

China's Belt and Road Initiative Bearing More Fruit.

Once hailed by China as a landmark deal within the Belt and Road Initiative -- its globe-spanning infrastructure project -- the highway has since become a cautionary tale that fused together the perils of poor-quality Chinese construction and cursory lending practices with endemic local corruption concerns in the Balkan country.

Montenegro initially borrowed nearly $1 billion from the Export-Import Bank of China in 2014 to fund the first portion of a 163-kilometer highway to link the port city of Bar with neighboring Serbia under the promise of bolstering economic activity in the Balkan country, but Podgorica was instead saddled with debts to China that totaled more than one-third of the government's annual budget.

Super Highway Built a Quarter the Length Originally Planned but Supposedly Already Ran Out of Loan Money.

Montenegro's $1 Billion Highway Faces Uncertain Future After Years Of Delays

As a new government settles into office in Podgorica, questions are once again being raised about the troubled Chinese project that has only resulted in a 41-kilometer section of road in eight years.

www.rferl.org

 

[LordsFire]

Truly, they have exceeded expectations for a communist project. I would have expected them to only get 10 miles.

Of course, after shoddy, inferior work continues to fail prematurely, we'll probably end up closer to that in usable distance.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Truly, they have exceeded expectations for a communist project. I would have expected them to only get 10 miles.

Of course, after shoddy, inferior work continues to fail prematurely, we'll probably end up closer to that in usable distance.

Yeah there was another article I read in the Economist today about how Turkish Construction Firms are taking business away from the Chinese Construction Firms. China has some advantages including their own financing (see above), being a low price leader, and having scads of Chinese engineers and architects and other personnel ready to yeet in and out of the country on a moments notice.

The Turkish firms however have their own advantages in that while their bids are often based on market pricing (boo) they are often down in shorter amounts of time, with superior quality and worksmanship and actually employ more local expertise and labor then Chinese projects, the use of English language which is the international language of commerce, and more flexible terms in regards to financing and technology sharing. Also they aren't Chinese.

Here's a similar article on it since Economist is paywalled.

Turkey edging closer to China's financial muscle in Africa’s construction projects

Over US$71 billion worth of infrastructure projects have been carried out by Turkish businesses across Africa. In order to expand its...

theexchange.africa

 

[Cherico]

please note he is not a biologist so take coments on that end with a grain of salt.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Arch Dornan]

【Top Secret Recording】 War Mobilization Meeting of the Southern War Zone of the PLA: Guangdong Province in The State of War — Jennifer's World

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www.jenniferzengblog.com

 

[Wargamer08]

Truly, they have exceeded expectations for a communist project. I would have expected them to only get 10 miles.

Of course, after shoddy, inferior work continues to fail prematurely, we'll probably end up closer to that in usable distance.

Now to be fair the Montenegro highway wasn't supposed to finish. It was a pretty blatant debt trap that the new Montenegro government admits it has no idea why the previous administration signed off on. China has all kinds of pointless communist programs to be sure, but that one 'worked'.

 

[Arch Dornan]

 

[LordsFire]

Well, if that's accurate, it looks like China's planning to make their move while Ukraine has most of the West busy.