China ChiCom News Thread

[Zachowon]

It is.
You only want this to be true because you dint want it

 

[Bacle]

It is.
You only want this to be true because you dint want it

No one sane wants a war over Taiwan, and it seems Xi's rivals are the ones trying to push for war and trying to back him into a corner.

Only people in the militaries of the CCP and US seem to want a war over Taiwan, and most Taiwanese do not seem the CCP as a threat, rather something to be ignored.

I mean at this point it seems the easiest way to avoid a war is just to help Xi clean house, and break the power of his rivals over the CCP military.

 

[Zachowon]

That isnt how it is.....
Xi wants to be greater then Mao.

 

[Cherico]

That isnt how it is.....
Xi wants to be greater then Mao.

all he has to do to be greater then him are.

No cultural revolution, no great leap forward.

 

[Zachowon]

all he has to do to be greater then him are.

No cultural revolution, no great leap forward.

Reunite Taiwan would make him greater.
That alone is what is needed to put him ahead. The people can claim Mao set forth the CCP to do the other aspectsof it,

 

[bintananth]

Reunite Taiwan would make him greater.
That alone is what is needed to put him ahead. The people can claim Mao set forth the CCP to do the other aspectsof it,

Reunion with Taiwan means he gets to deal with pacifying a population that's much feistier and better armed than Hong Kong's was when they got that back from the UK when the 99-year lease of Hong Kong expired.

Tawain has four Kidd-class destroyers. Those are basically Tico's minus the Aegis Defense System because they were built before the Tico's were and are kinda/sorta the first answer to the question of "What would a Spruance-class destroyer be if it was optimized for area air defense instead of anti-submarine warfare?"

 

[Zachowon]

Reunion with Taiwan means he gets to deal with pacifying a population that's much feistier and better armed than Hong Kong's was when they got that back from the UK when the 99-year lease of Hong Kong expired.

Tawain has four Kidd-class destroyers. Those are basically Tico's minus the Aegis Defense System because they were built before the Tico's were and are kinda/sorta the first answer to the question of "What would a Spruance-class destroyer be if it was optimized for area air defense instead of anti-submarine warfare?"

I don't think you understand.
Taiwan would stand no chance alone against West Taiwan

 

[JagerIV]

Reunion with Taiwan means he gets to deal with pacifying a population that's much feistier and better armed than Hong Kong's was when they got that back from the UK when the 99-year lease of Hong Kong expired.

Tawain has four Kidd-class destroyers. Those are basically Tico's minus the Aegis Defense System because they were built before the Tico's were and are kinda/sorta the first answer to the question of "What would a Spruance-class destroyer be if it was optimized for area air defense instead of anti-submarine warfare?"

I'm not quite sure what your arguing? 4 40 year old Destroyers is not a particularly impressive force, especially in comparison to the Chinese navy: depending on how aggressive the Chinese Carrier production is and if they stay on schedule, China is a couple of years from matching the number of destroyers Tiawan has with its carrier hulls.

Looking at the Wiki, the Taiwanese seem to have about 130,000 tons of surface capital ships. The Chinese have a 135,000 tons of displacement in the already deployed Carriers. Destroyers and Frigates add an additional 450,000 ish tons of displacement. So, in surface capital ships, Taiwan is out massed about 5-1 in tonnage.

If they keep to their current fleet building plans and the type 4 Carrier works out, the Chinese will be building 100,000 ton nuclear super carriers around 2030. If they build 4 as they claim, those 4 ships alone would mass some 110,000 t each, and those three ships alone would outmass the Taiwanese fleet.

 

[bintananth]

I'm not quite sure what your arguing? 4 40 year old Destroyers is not a particularly impressive force, especially in comparison to the Chinese navy: depending on how aggressive the Chinese Carrier production is and if they stay on schedule, China is a couple of years from matching the number of destroyers Tiawan has with its carrier hulls.

Looking at the Wiki, the Taiwanese seem to have about 130,000 tons of surface capital ships. The Chinese have a 135,000 tons of displacement in the already deployed Carriers. Destroyers and Frigates add an additional 450,000 ish tons of displacement. So, in surface capital ships, Taiwan is out massed about 5-1 in tonnage.

If they keep to their current fleet building plans and the type 4 Carrier works out, the Chinese will be building 100,000 ton nuclear super carriers around 2030. If they build 4 as they claim, those 4 ships alone would mass some 110,000 t each, and those three ships alone would outmass the Taiwanese fleet.

If China goes after Taiwan the PLAN won't be facing just Taiwan. They'll be facing practically everyone else they've irritated too.

Even if the US stays out of it Japan and South Korea most definitely won't. India along with countries in SE Asia like Vietnam also have long-standing issues with China and don't want to be next.

They're not going to stay out of it and India also has both nukes and SSBNs.

EDIT: India could probably nuke every major Chinese city within an hour if they were pushed or want to.

 

[Cherico]

If China goes after Taiwan the PLAN won't be facing just Taiwan. They'll be facing practically everyone else they've irritated too.

Even if the US stays out of it Japan and South Korea most definitely won't. India along with countries in SE Asia like Vietnam also have long-standing issues with China and don't want to be next.

They're not going to stay out of it and India also has both nukes and SSBNs.

EDIT: India could probably nuke every major
Chinese city within an hour if they were pushed or want to.

India is pissed as hell about covid and unlike our media theirs has not cucked out to China.

 

[bintananth]

India is pissed as hell about covid and unlike our media theirs has not cucked out to China.

India also has a large enough population that China can't just throw bodies into the meatgrinder with the expectation that Chinese manpower reserves will outlast theirs.

Against the US China has a 4.2:1 manpower advantage and every other country except India is even more outnumbered. Against India it's almost even.

 

[LordsFire]

Against the US China has a 4.2:1 manpower advantage and every other country except India is even more outnumbered. Against India it's almost even.

If all there was to war was throwing masses of conscripts at each other across a mutual border immediately adjacent to major rail lines, that would matter a lot more.

As it is, warfare very much is not like that.

 

[Zachowon]

If all there was to war was throwing masses of conscripts at each other across a mutual border immediately adjacent to major rail lines, that would matter a lot more.

As it is, warfare very much is not like that.

Korea was the closest China got to use that tactic, and even then it was with the US not taking them serious.
That tactic doesn't work in this day and age for a variety of reasons.
And they could never get that many in Taiwan

 

[LordsFire]

Korea was the closest China got to use that tactic, and even then it was with the US not taking them serious.
That tactic doesn't work in this day and age for a variety of reasons.
And they could never get that many in Taiwan

Not 'never,' but it would be completely dependent upon their enemies screwing up by the numbers for weeks, if not months, on end.

Basically 'If Japan, Vietnam, the US, and India are all too incompetent to even make the effort to stop us,' is the kind of level of outcome they'd need to get to unlimited en-masse landings on Taiwan. Even then, with the stuff we're selling to Taiwan now, they might not be able to pull the landings off.

 

[Zachowon]

Not 'never,' but it would be completely dependent upon their enemies screwing up by the numbers for weeks, if not months, on end.

Basically 'If Japan, Vietnam, the US, and India are all too incompetent to even make the effort to stop us,' is the kind of level of outcome they'd need to get to unlimited en-masse landings on Taiwan. Even then, with the stuff we're selling to Taiwan now, they might not be able to pull the landings off.

By the time they got all their marines on the shore, they would never be able to bring their army ashore with how contested things would be

 

[Vaermina]

I'm not quite sure what your arguing? 4 40 year old Destroyers is not a particularly impressive force, especially in comparison to the Chinese navy: depending on how aggressive the Chinese Carrier production is and if they stay on schedule, China is a couple of years from matching the number of destroyers Tiawan has with its carrier hulls.

Looking at the Wiki, the Taiwanese seem to have about 130,000 tons of surface capital ships. The Chinese have a 135,000 tons of displacement in the already deployed Carriers. Destroyers and Frigates add an additional 450,000 ish tons of displacement. So, in surface capital ships, Taiwan is out massed about 5-1 in tonnage.

If they keep to their current fleet building plans and the type 4 Carrier works out, the Chinese will be building 100,000 ton nuclear super carriers around 2030. If they build 4 as they claim, those 4 ships alone would mass some 110,000 t each, and those three ships alone would outmass the Taiwanese fleet.

You forgot to take into account the hundred billion ton displacement that is Taiwan itself...

Because yea... It wouldn't be China attacking Taiwan's fleet in open water... It would be China attacking Taiwan's fleet backed by the island itself...

 

[Cherico]

If all there was to war was throwing masses of conscripts at each other across a mutual border immediately adjacent to major rail lines, that would matter a lot more.

As it is, warfare very much is not like that.

Then its a very good thing that most of china's oil has to go past india in very slow containor ships isnt it?

 

[bintananth]

Then its a very good thing that most of china's oil has to go past india in very slow containor ships isnt it?

The tip of the spear has a long shaft. Breaking the shaft is a very effective way of neutralizing a spear so that you don't have to defend against the tip.

We are apex predators and the very first rule of being an apex predator is "don't give your prey a chance to fight back".

Here's a Jaguar showing you how it's done:

 

[Bacle]

 

[Husky_Khan]

In spite of hosting a variety of political fundraisers and events the Marriot Hotel in Prague, following the instruction of upper corporate leadership, has refused to host a World Uyghur Conference in said Hotel, citing "political neutrality."

• Marriott International issued a profuse apology in 2018 after Chinese authorities shut down its booking website over an online questionnaire that listed Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau as countries, rather than regions of China.
• "We do not support separatist groups that subvert the sovereignty and territorial integrity of China," the statement said.
• Also in 2018, Marriott fired a U.S.-based employee who used a company Twitter account to like a post by a pro-Tibet group.

Marriott Refused To Host Conference That Communist China Condemned, Citing ‘Political Neutrality’: Report | The Daily Wire

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