I mean, we both know the US will cause issues.
We always do
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We always do
Assuming they go in officially, you may be right.
For that very reason they may also go with indirect approach. Let Pakistan or some third party mercenaries/security companies do the dirty work while semi-private companies of CCP oligarchs do the economic stuff.
But how and what for? Pakistan is now solidly in China camp, using them as the intermediary and staging area like in Soviet times would be a poor idea as such.
Looking at the map and some history with logistical routes, behind the closed doors deals with Russia and its sphere of influence in the region may be a way. The door will have to be very tightly closed though because any sound of that leaking out would damage some important democrat narratives.
Either that, or channel money through Saudi islamist connections, but that again would be terrible PR, and also hard to control.
Hasn't stopped us before
Yes, and we ended up with 9/11 for our troubles.
I really hope people in the US Gov would have realized by now not to make the same mistake we made last time we supported people in A-stan against a geo-political foes.
If we try to start shit between the Taliban and the CCP, we need to be damn sure we're ready for the political and economic fallout of it leaking and going public.
But unlike then, now you know how it can go wrong later, because it did.
King Arts
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Yes they will there was a post another guy said where the Taliban sees China as a “friend” also China is smarter than America they will deal directly with the power brokers Taliban and warlords instead of trying to make some fake puppet democracy, where it’s soldiers have no loyalty and surrender at the drop of a hat.
Are you cheering on the fucking Taliban? China may not be great but they are better than the guys who throw acid on girls faces for going to school or not wearing face veils.
There seems to be a lot of random speculation in general to be honest. A great number of Muslim nations have already stated that they support China and their efforts in Xinjiang province or at least have no issue with it.
The Taliban for its part hasn't exactly been an exporter of terrorism itself... but a haven for those who export terrorism. Keep in mind it wasn't the Taliban who masterminded the terrorist attacks in the West. It was Al Qaeda and the others groups that the Taliban, at best could be of said to be sponsors of them. If the Taliban make the mistake of harboring terrorist groups in the future and depending on where their targets are, then there could be issues.
But as it is, there's no reason I think to assume the Taliban would want to expand immediately beyond Afghanistan. The Taliban of now are a completely different beast from the one toppled twenty years ago of course and has mutated a lot in those decades of fighting, so who knows ultimately but if there's any future tensions in Xinjiang, which would be tricky considering the measure of control the CCP has over the Uigher population, it'd like be from a terrorist group operating in Taliban held Afghanistan as opposed to the Taliban government themselves.
There's still very pragmatic reasons to think that the Taliban wouldn't want to repeat the mistakes they made back in 2001 of course. Mainly in that in 2001 they did get their teeth kicked in and were almost wiped out and took over a decade to rebuild into a serious threat. Plus later on they had to suffer an Islamic State insurgency. PLUS there are rivalries within the Taliban itself (it adopted a lot of former enemies into its number during the American War in Afghanistan) and rivalries between the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban... and not seeing eye to eye with even neighbors like Iran either.
So it's complicated.
The Taliban for its part hasn't exactly been an exporter of terrorism itself... but a haven for those who export terrorism. Keep in mind it wasn't the Taliban who masterminded the terrorist attacks in the West. It was Al Qaeda and the others groups that the Taliban, at best could be of said to be sponsors of them. If the Taliban make the mistake of harboring terrorist groups in the future and depending on where their targets are, then there could be issues.
But as it is, there's no reason I think to assume the Taliban would want to expand immediately beyond Afghanistan. The Taliban of now are a completely different beast from the one toppled twenty years ago of course and has mutated a lot in those decades of fighting, so who knows ultimately but if there's any future tensions in Xinjiang, which would be tricky considering the measure of control the CCP has over the Uigher population, it'd like be from a terrorist group operating in Taliban held Afghanistan as opposed to the Taliban government themselves.
There's still very pragmatic reasons to think that the Taliban wouldn't want to repeat the mistakes they made back in 2001 of course. Mainly in that in 2001 they did get their teeth kicked in and were almost wiped out and took over a decade to rebuild into a serious threat. Plus later on they had to suffer an Islamic State insurgency. PLUS there are rivalries within the Taliban itself (it adopted a lot of former enemies into its number during the American War in Afghanistan) and rivalries between the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban... and not seeing eye to eye with even neighbors like Iran either.
So it's complicated.
Yeah, but it's China.
The sooner the face 20 years of conflict the better.
DarthOne
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Assuming that they actually do...
Eventually
King Arts
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Why do you think they are going to be stupid enough to make the same mistakes America made. Say what you will about the chicoms but one thing they aren’t is dumb.
boomghost
I trust you know where the launch button is?
eh, I'd assume they will simply due to how they treat the workers they use in africa, I just get the feeling they will cross a line at some point starting a conflict.
King Arts
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How many African nations are in an anti China block? From what I know almost none. Anti Chinese alliances are first and for most in East Asia since places like Japan and Korea are threatened by them directly, along with the US because of interests in Asia, then other Asian nations like the Philippines and India. Europe sometimes joins sanctions simply to appease the Americans at least in the west however places like Hungary have been becoming more pro China because they don’t like the social policies the EU is doing like pro lgbt stuff. Most people outside of Asia have not been screwed over by China. Now it’s not IMPOSSIBLE some Chinese bueurocrat says something offensive about Islam and the local Afghans do terrorist actions and things spiral out of control. But it is unlikely.
You really need to watch some ADV Podcasts. Trust me they are literally that dumb.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
They want a victory against India?
They're people so they can be dumb as are the rest of us.
They will need a better grade of Soldier than their Wolf Warriors if they want to take on real combatants. And India has real combatants.
Looks like the Taliban hired the same PR people that Nike, the NBA and Google did:
"We care about the oppression of Muslims, be it in Palestine, in Myanmar, or in China, and we care about the oppression of non-Muslims anywhere in the world. But what we are not going to do is interfere in China’s internal affairs"
"We care about the oppression of Muslims, be it in Palestine, in Myanmar, or in China, and we care about the oppression of non-Muslims anywhere in the world. But what we are not going to do is interfere in China’s internal affairs"
King Arts
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Well exactly what I said. Someone on spacebattles even said that the Taliban trolled the US by pointing to it's peace treaty saying that they won't become a safe haven for attacks against other nations, and they pointed out that includes China.
China won't be attacked by the Taliban, at least not any time soon. If you actually wanted to use the Taliban as a catspaw against China you'd have to wait a MINIMUM of like 10 years or so, and that's assuming everything goes good for you, and that's not a gurantee.
I just realized something looking at a map. They basically just made a way to provide support to Iran should Iran ever go to war. With China going to A-stan it allowsfor them to basically control the Middle east using Iran. Also perhaps a way to get Iran nuclear power without UN knowing
It potentially helps with that.
However, a lot of that was true already:
a) Cargo aircraft are a thing, anything important they could have overflown to Iran over several local countries, including friendly Pakistan, without anyone knowing what's inside.
The same goes for cargo ships in international waters. Hell, people worried more about Iran-Pakistan nuclear cooperation, and those were neighbors all along.
b) Afghanistan is not a great logistical route, over 1000 km of bad terrain from China to Iran, and in case of war with Iran no one will respect its airspace control. If supply convoys become an issue, they will get attacked.
c) China already had a route through friendly Pakistan for the same use, with Pakistan, as a nuclear power with real military, being a bit of an issue regarding airspace.