The whole country will be forced to fight in a war
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Bear Ribs
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About 8% of the population is in favor of it. Around 4.5% want it now and the rest are in favor of a Hong Kong-like setup with one nation, two governments because China can surely be counted on to keep to such an arrangement.
The latter group has shrunk appreciably since China went through Hong Kong breaking all their agreements like a bull in a china shop.
So 92% of the country say fuck China.
Okay I have not lost hope with Taiwan yet
Bear Ribs
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The pro-China side was actually close to 20% before Hong Kong. They had an actual shot, albeit a long one, and China pissed it away invading and beating down their own city.
Ah China. Showing everyone how horrible you are every day.
The Taiwanese Islands other than the main Taiwanese Island are notorious for being extremely pro-China. A friend of mine from Kinmen mentioned how people grumbled about 'adopting a fake new western identity' instead of their traditional Chinese identity and that they wanted to return to Chinese rule immediately. This attitude is extremely popular in the Taiwanese non-main islands apparently.
On one hand i can sympathize on not wanting to adopt a new identity, however i don't think turning to the PRC is a good idea to preserve it. Petition the government, create protests, sit-ins and create a political pressure group should be the thing going on instead.
On one hand i can sympathize on not wanting to adopt a new identity, however i don't think turning to the PRC is a good idea to preserve it. Petition the government, create protests, sit-ins and create a political pressure group should be the thing going on instead.
They shluld just become thier own China
I'd heard rumblings about the attitudes on the outlying Taiwanese islands, but thank you for confirming it.
No, the Kinmen islands will most likely be the next target for Chinese grey zone diplo/social tactics.
The CCP will try to get the islands to have a 'referendum' about leaving the RoC and joining the CCP, then make sure it wins (legitly or not), then use that as an excuse to move troops onto those islands to 'protect them' when Taipei ignores the 'referendum' due to the voting irregularities.
Thus the CCP can try to twist the diplo/social arena against Taiwan using a scenario where Taiwan looks like the 'oppressor' for not letting the Kinmen's go back under CCP rule, and muddy the waters in the US domestically by painting Taiwan as oppressing the islands such they need CCP protection, and will point to the 'referendum' as evidence that this is all above the board and justified.
Terthna
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As I said; those people should be paying attention to Hong Kong, so that they understand the consequences of what they're demanding. Besides; if they really want to preserve their traditional Chinese identity, embracing the rule of the CCP is just about the most counter productive thing they could do, seeing as they're directly responsible for the destruction of every aspect of their culture that doesn't involve blindly worshiping the state. Culturally speaking, Taiwan is more Chinese than China, and yet they want to throw that away in the name of preserving it? Morons.
The PRC would legit win a free referendum in the islands. There are only two political categories in the islands - pro-China or neutral according to my aforementioned friend.
The problem here is that the Cultural Revolution has long past 60 years ago. Most of the people in Taiwan weren't even alive to listen to the horrible atrocities of the Cultural Revolution or were too small to understand it. The Desinification of Taiwan is happening now. Which is why the islands are gafffing now. Those who do know about it also point out that the cultural revolution has been largely reversed under Zemin and Jintao. Whilst Xi has stopped reversing it to a degree, he hasn't stopped it entirely and the slow repeal of the cultural revolution in China continues. Destroyed monasteries, temples, palaces etc have all been rebuilt to a significant degree, and most religious associates that were oppressed have been freed and rehabilitated into Chinese society.
Therefore there are two spectrums right now. Those who do not remember the Cultural Revolution and those who admire that the PRC is moving back to traditional Chinese culture and repealing the Cultural Revolution. Trying to preserve traditional chinese culture by joining the PRC would have been a very bad idea in the 60s, 70s and 80s. But now, it would probably be a good idea. China has made significant strides in maintaining its culture despite western influence since the early 2000s due to Hu Jintao's cultural and societal policies. Other than the simplified chinese script, most of the cultural revolution has been largely repealed and reversed in China.
Terthna
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Where the heck are you getting this information? Because it's not matching up with any of mine; the CCP never moved back towards traditional Chinese culture, not in any real sense. It's all superficial, and always with an eye towards indoctrinating the Chinese people into worshiping the CCP first and foremost.
That is political development. Supporting and indoctrinating the populace to support the Communist Party is a socio-political development, not a cultural one. There is a difference between the two. We are talking about cultural developments, right? Because the cultural aspects of the Cultural Revolution are largely being reversed. There are multiple examples of this. Just pick up a 1970 history textbook and 2015 textbook. The 1970 will revile the old emperors of old, irrespective of their achievements. The 2015 version will sing praises of Taizong, Qianlong, Jiaqing etc. Even Qin Shi Huang has had some kind of rehabilitation for his unification of China. The South Lhasa Gumbas were blown to pieces by the Cultural Revolution with their monks in jail. The monks have been released, and the Gumbas have been rebuilt. The Tengri Shrines of Inner Mongolia and Manchuria have had their bans lifted to them as well. The restrictions on Canton literature placed by Mao in the 60s have been relaxed and reversed even, with Canton literature being encouraged. Hui theological bans have been reversed too. Restrictions on practising Tibetan customs in Qinghai have been abolished as well.
Cultural developments =/= Socio-political developments.
China has been reversing the cultural developments of the Cultural Revolution. There is even talk in the Standing Committee regarding amending the Simplified Chinese back to Traditional Chinese. The CDL, RCCK, JS and CAPD are known to be supportive of the move and have clashed with the CCP's hardliners about the issue ever since 2018. Though there isn't any need to do so. Any Chinese can read both scripts with ease and only slight eye frowning. The simplified script only really standardized Chinese in a similar manner like Luther did with the various german dialects rather than anything else.
Why is this I'm Chicom?
Seemed to fit here best, since it isn't Cringe or easily sorted into the other threads.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
It’s Getting More Likely The Japanese Would Fight For Taiwan
Japanese authorities, increasingly worried about China’s determination to invade and forcibly “reunify” Taiwan, reportedly asked American officials to share U.S. plans for defending Taiwan.
www.forbes.com
Typhonis
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Get India to join in defending Taiwan and China is fucked. Inda sits alongside their primary route from the Middle East. War starts? India can cut the flow of crude to China.It’s Getting More Likely The Japanese Would Fight For Taiwan
Japanese authorities, increasingly worried about China’s determination to invade and forcibly “reunify” Taiwan, reportedly asked American officials to share U.S. plans for defending Taiwan.
India would do that anyway.
China and India hate each other.
Also, the US will join in the defense of Taiwam.