China ChiCom News Thread

[Arch Dornan]

Not like Texas's surprise winter but it's a lot of sand.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Chinese Big Tech getting a purging.

 

[Husky_Khan]

According to news reports, the FCC is continuing to ratchet pressure upon Chinese telecommunications firms that have failed to sufficiently disclose their links to the ruling Chinese Communist Party and Chinese government in general. The FCC is looking to strip three Chinese telecommunications firms, China Unicom Americas, Pacific Networks and ComNet, of their US operating licenses. The FCC is stating this is being done because the links between these firms and the CCP poses national security risk.

"The threat to our networks from entities aligned with Communist China is one that we must address head on, and I am pleased that the FCC continues to show the strength and resolve necessary to meet this menace," FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr said in a statement.

In a followup to earlier Trump Executive Orders, the Commerce Department has also issued subpoenas to several Chinese firms that operate in the US to explore if they pose risk to US National Security.

US ratchets up pressure on Chinese telecom firms

Three firms face a possible ban from US for being "aligned to Communist China" regulators claim.

www.bbc.com

 

[Arch Dornan]

You sanction me I sanction you.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Boeing CEO told a Chamber of Commerce Aviation Forum:

“I think politically (China) is more difficult for this administration and it was for the last administration. But we still have to trade with our largest partner in the world: China."

“I am hoping we can sort of separate intellectual property, human rights and other things from trade and continue to encourage a free trade environment between these two economic juggernauts. ... We cannot afford to be locked out of that market. Our competitor will jump right in.”

Boeing urges U.S. to separate China trade and human rights

Boeing Co urged the United States on Wednesday to keep human rights and other disputes separate from trade relations with Beijing, and warned European rival Airbus would gain if the U.S. planemaker were locked out of China.

www.reuters.com

 

[Arlos]

Big words from a company kept alive by military contract perfusion after multiple management decision fuck up....

 

[Terthna]

Big words from a company kept alive by military contract perfusion after multiple management decision fuck up....

He's just dumb enough to say what they're all thinking in the business world.

 

[King Arts]

You are comepltly wrong.
China is already on the brink of collapse and the outbreak hurt then a lot worse.

And don't ever trust SB on things involving China or Taiwan. They legit have CCP proganda people on there...

Oh, I know that the CCP like the Soviet Union before it always controlled it's media and reports and makes it's numbers higher when it's good(like wealth and production), and lower when it's good(like how many people are dying of plague). But it being on the brink of collapse is NOT good. like I said earlier about the recession thing, I mean during the cold war we did not trade with the Soviets did we? So their collapse was more an opportunity and not economic damage.

Also do you know who are the CCP agents on that site? And when you say CCP propaganda people do you mean literal as in payed by the Chinese secret service, or do you mean useful idiot as in the way the Soviets used college professors to spread cultural marxism using active measures in colleges starting in the 60's with the Hippy movement?

 

[Terthna]

Also do you know who are the CCP agents on that site? And when you say CCP propaganda people do you mean literal as in payed by the Chinese secret service, or do you mean useful idiot as in the way the Soviets used college professors to spread cultural marxism using active measures in colleges starting in the 60's with the Hippy movement?

Deadly Snark is a Chinese citizen living in China, and while I don't know for certain if he actually is employed by the CCP to say the things he does or not, he has consistently repeated their propaganda. I have personally seen them insist that the students of the Tienanmen Square Massacre were terrorists backed by western powers, who had somehow managed to kill entire units of soldiers before they were taken down.

 

[prinCZess]

Boeing CEO told a Chamber of Commerce Aviation Forum:

Boeing urges U.S. to separate China trade and human rights

Boeing Co urged the United States on Wednesday to keep human rights and other disputes separate from trade relations with Beijing, and warned European rival Airbus would gain if the U.S. planemaker were locked out of China.

www.reuters.com

In some degree of fairness, I can see where they're coming from. Boeing getting barred from communist-bandit occupied China while Airbus or such is not would be disastrous for them as a company, and he's got to see to that.

The job of the administration if they cared to take trade action on human rights, trade disputes, releasing a deadly virus upon the world, and the smorgasboard of complaints to be made with Winnie the Pooh the totalitarian, of course, would be to ensure that Airbus does not or cannot do business in communist-bandit occupied China as well.

Which, admittedly, would be a windfall for that big supercorp the medley of Russian aerospace companies formed. But that'd be the breaks of the Biden-Harris administration living up to Western standards about not aiding or abetting genocide.

...Which is why it won't happen, of course. Standards hurting corporations means the standard gets tossed-out in the new paradigm.

 

[King Arts]

Deadly Snark is a Chinese citizen living in China, and while I don't know for certain if he actually is employed by the CCP to say the things he does or not, he has consistently repeated their propaganda. I have personally seen them insist that the students of the Tienanmen Square Massacre were terrorists backed by western powers, who had somehow managed to kill entire units of soldiers before they were taken down.

The thread got taken down. But I have heard people say that shit. It's probably false, I can believe they were rioters, but terrorist is a bit much.

 

[Zachowon]

The thread got taken down. But I have heard people say that shit. It's probably false, I can believe they were rioters, but terrorist is a bit much.

To the Chinese it is the trjth

 

[Clanner Moment]

They were probably "terrorists" in the shills' eyes in the same way that radlibs consider the capitol raiders "terrorists" all things considered.

 

[Terthna]

The thread got taken down. But I have heard people say that shit. It's probably false, I can believe they were rioters, but terrorist is a bit much.

No it wasn't; not sure why you can't see it, but I can copy/paste his post here for you:

Well that's a complicate one, but I'll try to be brief and concise.

See after Mao's death in 1976, Deng Xiaoping came to power and was finally able to do what he and many of his allies wanted to do for years, opening up China and getting economic reforms under way, beginning the To Be Rich is Glorious Era. However, there was an issue, in that there were still many in the CCP who wanted to build a functioning Communist Society and were angered by Deng's faction's rejection of communism and open embrace of Capitalism.

So a deal was struck. There would only be a limited amount of reforms, centered on the cities along the coastlines. Inner China could remain as it was, but the coastline settlements could begin to engage in mass trade and economic activities as well as more liberal education. The good thing and the bad thing was that it worked just as Deng had hoped. Good because it brought wealth and advancements to China. Bad because it worked and many began to clamor for more even greater reforms on grander scales.

Now if Deng had his way, he'd gladly do it. But now he faced two factions opposed to it, the communist old guard and those survivors of Mao's Grand Reforms who remembered what happened last time a chinese leader tried to push forward a grand reform and how that shitshow ended. They were against a grander reform and wanted to keep it slow and steady.

Problem is many of the newly arising middle class students who have seen their lives change drastically once they moved to these cities and gotten the more advance education didn't care about that. They wanted the Grander Reforms and they wanted it now, which to be fair we know they were right, but it is also hard to blame the CCP for being hesitant given what happened last time.

From the tales my parents have told me, in these universities these students began to plan a peaceful protest nation wide to ask for the reforms to be pushed forward faster, and it was likely that they had support and advisors from the US and Europe to help them do that. Many of the would be leaders of the protest would establish connections with the US before the event.

Another thing to remember was that at the time, China had no riot control gear. They didn't yet have the ability to make enough and because of China's old association with the USSR the West absolutely refused to let China buy any from the West. With no Riot Police, the CCP didn't have much choice when it comes to dealing with any mass protests. But that is for later.

When the protests finally began nationwide, well initially the CCP was kind of fucking terrified. However after they learned about what was going on, from what we know Deng was actually kind of happy while his enemies were kind of angry. Deng didn't want to crush these protests or bring the military down upon them, not only would that risk a civil war, but these students were the very saplings of the future his reforms created. They wanted the reforms because his reforms worked, they were the very sign that his plan was right. Many of these students would later become the modern leaders of the CCP btw.

Deng's faction was perfectly happy with giving the students what they asked for, because it was what they wanted as well. At the same time most of the protest leaders were happy as well, because hey wouldn't you? So talk began on what exactly the deal would be, but the signs looked good.

The problem was that extremists on both sides werent happy with that. In the CCP the Old Guard and the Survivors were angry and saw the negotiations as foolish, and suspected that the students were being used by Foreign polities, so they felt a show of force would work better. And among the students, there were those leaders who didn't want a peaceful resolution to the situation. No they wanted blood, they wanted a civil warm either because they craved power or because they were egged on by their friends in the West.

We have one interview of one of the student leaders called Chai Ling had with an western journalist who straight up said as much;

"Chai Ling: "My fellow students keep asking me, 'What should we do next? What can we accomplish?' I feel so sad, because how can I tell them that what we actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes. Only then will they really be united. But how can I explain any of this to my fellow students?
"And what is truly sad is that some students, and famous well-connected people, are working hard to help the government, to prevent it from taking such measures. For the sake of their selfish interests and their private dealings they are trying to cause our movement to disintegrate and get us out of the Square before the government becomes so desperate that it takes action....
"That's why I feel so sad, because I can't say all this to my fellow students. I can't tell them straight out that we must use our blood and our lives to wake up the people. Of course, they will be willing. But they are still so young..." [cries]
Interviewer: "Are you going to stay in the Square yourself?
Chai Ling: "No."
Interviewer: "Why?"
Chai Ling: "Because my situation is different. My name is on the government's blacklist. I'm not going to be destroyed by this government. I want to live. Anyway, that's how I feel about it. I don't know if people will say I'm selfish. I believe that people have to continue the work I have started. A democracy movement can't succeed with only one person. I hope you don't report what I've just said for the time being, okay?"

Look at this hypocritical bitch. Planning to let who knows how many of her comrades die for her ideals, while she doesn't even have the fucking guts to stay till the end. Disparging those who worked hard to come to a peaceful solution, while she and her associates plotted to turn the entire situation into a sea of blood. My own mother was almost killed because of her shit and if I ever see that bitch in person she is getting punched.

And any case, these people got their wish. With Extremists in the government stonewalling things, and extremists in the student camp inflaming the situation, something that should have ended a long time ago go dragged on and eventually, once the negotiations were ruined by their machinations, the government became convinced that the students were patsies and they had to move in the troops, and the student leaders who hoped for a bloodbath were ready.

Don't be mistaken and think this was one sided massacre. This was a fucking urban war. Entire Units of soldiers were killed by prepared students, their bodies burned and hanged in the streets, and some tanks were even reduced to rubble. And in response, military units and tank battalions treated this like a war and ruthlessly crushed all students who they even suspected were involved.

And what of the student leaders who wished for this? They fucking fled to the West, they knew the storm they were calling and so they ran before things went hot even though half the responsibilities laid with them. When men like the Tank Man showed selfless courage, they showed nothing but selfish cowardice.

Once the night ended, nothing was gained. And Deng Xiaoping's liberal reforms and economic reforms were discredited within the CCP. It would take him a humongous effort in order to push the liberalization of China forward again.

So really it is so hard to understand why the modern leaders of the CCP, many of whom not only lived through this, but participated in it on the sides of the students might be wary of any movements calling for democracy? Or any western NGOs trying to promote western ideals? Because they remember well what happened last time, when they were tricked by their leaders and said leader's western connections and left to die as sacrifices.

But of course, Western Propaganda fails to mention those details. Because China is Ebil is an easier and more convenient narrative to sell.

Seriously, if this guy somehow isn't being paid to say that sort of nonsense, he's the perfect example of how effective the CCP's efforts to brainwash the Chinese people have been.

 

[Bassoe]

Because China will collapse. They are on the edge of it already.

Heard that before a lot, still haven't seen any evidence that it's anything but wishful thinking.

 

[Zachowon]

Heard that before a lot, still haven't seen any evidence that it's anything but wishful thinking.

Besides the fact they have a large gap in generation of those that can work etc.
They have pussed off the world and people are looking to move away?
They are trying to pull a USSR with its military and it is going to backfire

 

[King Arts]

Besides the fact they have a large gap in generation of those that can work etc.
They have pussed off the world and people are looking to move away?
They are trying to pull a USSR with its military and it is going to backfire

Who is the world? I mean they haven't really pissed off Europe, or Russia, or Brazil, or the middle east. America does not like them because they are competing with America for world power and control of Asia, and East Asian nations don't like them because the Chinese are trying to vassalize them just like Russia tries to do to eastern europe. But other nations don't give a fuck, just like Europe does not give a fuck about Iran, only America and Israel, and Saudi Arabia have a hate boner for them. Now yes pissing off America is not a smart move because it's the most powerful nation in the world right now, but it's not THE world.

 

[Zachowon]

Who is the world? I mean they haven't really pissed off Europe, or Russia, or Brazil, or the middle east. America does not like them because they are competing with America for world power and control of Asia, and East Asian nations don't like them because the Chinese are trying to vassalize them just like Russia tries to do to eastern europe. But other nations don't give a fuck, just like Europe does not give a fuck about Iran, only America and Israel, and Saudi Arabia have a hate boner for them. Now yes pissing off America is not a smart move because it's the most powerful nation in the world right now, but it's not THE world.

Uh...
Have you not noticed the rise in Asian hate? Around the world?
Almost like COVID has caused a lot of people to push against China.
Most East Asian countries fully cut ties because of it. Thier escapdes with Taiwan have shown that they are pushing boundaries.
People have finally started to take note of the atrocities China is doing.

They are actually on the verge if collapse. Especially because if yhier aging demographics

 

[King Arts]

Uh...
Have you not noticed the rise in Asian hate? Around the world?
Almost like COVID has caused a lot of people to push against China.
Most East Asian countries fully cut ties because of it. Thier escapdes with Taiwan have shown that they are pushing boundaries.
People have finally started to take note of the atrocities China is doing.

They are actually on the verge if collapse. Especially because if yhier aging demographics

Bacle said that people always say China is about to collapse and yet it hasn't. I don't hold much hope for them to fall apart like the Soviets.

As for Asian hate, that shit is an American race relations thing, don't try to super impose that on other nations. A polish person won't give a shit about China one way or another. They don't care about Taiwan, or North Korea, they are interested in European matters.
As for their atrocities are you refering to the Uighers? Again no one cares, except the Uighers, and people already who are rivals of China using it as ammunition. Other nations don't care about the internal politics of other nations most nations aren't moral busy bodies. Just like a Ukranian does not care about how Saudi Arabia kills the gays, or makes women be second class citizens they also won't care about China putting Muslims in concentration camps. Even Muslims while they won't like it, are still willing to do bussiness with China, because the middle east has other issues closer to home like Israel and the conflict between Shia and Sunni. The Uighers are a Turkic people right? Turkey then might make noises about it since they do like to support other Turkic muslims. So they would probably be easy to convince to join you in any sanctions for that. But they can't afford to go sending troops to the Pacific they have comitments in the Middle East fighting the remnants of ISIS, oppressing Kurds, etc.

 

[Zachowon]

Bacle said that people always say China is about to collapse and yet it hasn't. I don't hold much hope for them to fall apart like the Soviets.

As for Asian hate, that shit is an American race relations thing, don't try to super impose that on other nations. A polish person won't give a shit about China one way or another. They don't care about Taiwan, or North Korea, they are interested in European matters.
As for their atrocities are you refering to the Uighers? Again no one cares, except the Uighers, and people already who are rivals of China using it as ammunition. Other nations don't care about the internal politics of other nations most nations aren't moral busy bodies. Just like a Ukranian does not care about how Saudi Arabia kills the gays, or makes women be second class citizens they also won't care about China putting Muslims in concentration camps. Even Muslims while they won't like it, are still willing to do bussiness with China, because the middle east has other issues closer to home like Israel and the conflict between Shia and Sunni. The Uighers are a Turkic people right? Turkey then might make noises about it since they do like to support other Turkic muslims. So they would probably be easy to convince to join you in any sanctions for that. But they can't afford to go sending troops to the Pacific they have comitments in the Middle East fighting the remnants of ISIS, oppressing Kurds, etc.

Except for the fact that COVID has caused Asian hate in western Europe countries like France and England.

I should also point out China had always been ahted by a lot of countries, especially those that know what China is willing to do to win.

Also, China is on the verge of collapse because of its demographics. Thier one child policy is going to kill thier country. And soon. Especially if a war happens.

Which I am betting on that by 2030 war with China or Iran is going to happen.