China ChiCom News Thread

[Zachowon]

Aw sad...



They're like everyone else.

See, they are what we expected of them.

Being the single biggest pollution country in the world, and they won't change anything to make themselves green.

 

[Bear Ribs]

US didn’t ‘engage’ China to make it rich and free; it profited off it

In a sense, what happened to the Hong Kong economy was repeated in the US, only on a much greater scale: in the 1980s and ’90s, our city moved its entire manufacturing base to mainland China, and refocused on services, finance and of course, real estate.​

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The US did something similar, though driven by different if comparable socio-economic forces. By the 1980s, the US was having second thoughts about its trade with, and foreign investment in Japan, which was emerging to become the world’s second-largest economy and naturally becoming less beholden to Washington. To counter Japan’s manufacturing might, US corporations were encouraged to offshore practically their entire manufacturing base to developing countries with low labour costs, chief of which was, of course, China.​

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This turned out to be extremely lucrative for American multinationals. Take Apple, arguably the most profitable company in the world. On an iPhone 7, it’s been calculated it left just 3.6 per cent of its cost as profit margin to its numerous mainland Chinese manufacturing partners to fight over. It presumably left a few more crumbs on the table for Foxconn, but not much more.​

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Much of the profits made from the sweat and blood of Chinese workers were recycled through the US treasury market. China was loaning to Americans so they could keep buying Chinese goods.​

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Meanwhile, American capitalism was being financialised. Why make things when you can make much more money much faster by just moving money around? In this, China helped too. If you want to leverage, borrowing costs have to be kept low. By lending massively to the US, China helped keep interest rates and inflation low. This role was played by Japan in the last century; China took over at the beginning of this century. How else could the US have carried out its expensive “war on terror” if borrowing costs had been high?​

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What Karl Marx has called the logic of capitalism compelled the US to partner with China, just as it did previously with Japan. The Nichibei economy was replaced by Chimerica. Yesterday, it was Toyota, Honda, Sega, Nintendo, Sony, Canon, Toshiba and JVC. Today, it’s Huawei Technologies, ZTE, ByteDance with its TikTok app, Alibaba, Tencent, Xiaomi, Didi Chuxing, DJI and Baidu.​

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There is, also, a historical dimension to this whole story. At least since the first Opium War and actually well before that, all major Western powers had wanted to take over the Chinese market with its vast profit potentials. When Chinese communists opened up, of course Americans and others jumped right in. The problem is that this communist party, it turns out, isn’t a tinpot dictatorship but a rather competent one. It has learned from its mistakes and those of others. It prefers its own “Beijing consensus” rather than “the Washington consensus”.​

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This is looking after your own interests, but in Washington, it’s called not following or challenging a rules-based international system; never mind the US is the one that sets up most of the rules and breaches them when it finds suitable. The logic of global capitalism dictated the US partner with China; the logic of empire now compels it to fight this “monster” because it didn’t turn out to be the plaything America had wanted.​

It's important to note there's a flaw to this kind of thinking, "The US" never does anything, nor has "China" ever done anything. Decisions and actions are taken by the people in charge of the countries, not the countries themselves, and those people sometimes choose to take actions that are highly destructive towards the country because it helps them individually.

This article paints a somewhat bizarre image of a fully unified US that's making its own decisions as if it were a person. Across a period of fifty years or more "The US" is implied to have followed a single unified policy of clever manipulation rather than changing leaders, parties, and policies every 4-8 years.

 

[LordsFire]

The problem is that this communist party, it turns out, isn’t a tinpot dictatorship but a rather competent one.

If nothing else gave away that this piece is nothing but CCP propaganda, this would.

China has been suffering from rolling brownouts throughout much of the nation, their real-estate market is in the process of collapsing, on top of the buildings themselves collapsing, and their rampant IP and hardware theft from manufacturers that built factories in their country has finally (among other things) turned the tide on the willingness of foreign companies to invest there.

The CCP's absolute refusal to deal honestly with literally any foreign power is in the process of destroying their nation and economy, and they have no-one to blame but themselves.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

The CCP's absolute refusal to deal honestly with literally any foreign power is in the process of destroying their nation and economy, and they have no-one to blame but themselves.

One annoying part of this, there's going to be bleeding-heart activists entering the former chinese land to try and allievate suffering despite everything.

 

[Bacle]

If nothing else gave away that this piece is nothing but CCP propaganda, this would.

China has been suffering from rolling brownouts throughout much of the nation, their real-estate market is in the process of collapsing, on top of the buildings themselves collapsing, and their rampant IP and hardware theft from manufacturers that built factories in their country has finally (among other things) turned the tide on the willingness of foreign companies to invest there.

The CCP's absolute refusal to deal honestly with literally any foreign power is in the process of destroying their nation and economy, and they have no-one to blame but themselves.

What else did you expect part of the 50¢ Army to post?

History Learner and the other CCP propoganda agents like him only care about doing what the CCP wants, regardless of if it actually convincing.

MacArthur was right about the CCP, just like Patton was right about Russia; at least MacArthur was just fired, unlike the wetwork job that took out Patton under the guise of a car accident to mollify Stalin. And McCarthy was right about Commies trying to get into DC power structures as well.

Most of the US establisent has been under the effective control of foreign powers and interests for a while now, we just were too blind to see it before.

 

[King Arts]

What else did you expect part of the 50¢ Army to post?

History Learner and the other CCP propoganda agents like him only care about doing what the CCP wants, regardless of if it actually convincing.

MacArthur was right about the CCP, just like Patton was right about Russia; at least MacArthur was just fired, unlike the wetwork job that took out Patton under the guise of a car accident to mollify Stalin. And McCarthy was right about Commies trying to get into DC power structures as well.

Most of the US establisent has been under the effective control of foreign powers and interests for a while now, we just were too blind to see it before.

Calling others CCP agents is silly the only thing right here is that yes MacArthur was right we should have nukes China and North Korea back then but it’s too late now circumstances changed.

 

[Cherico]

People keep saying that China will be a great power one that will be respected and dominate its local sphere of power.

And this might be true but it wont be the CCP who does it. The communists simply put on a very basic level have an idelology that violates china's core traditionalist values. The next regime be it a monarchy, milatary dictatorship or democracy I think will be the power that will sustainably put china on the map.

 

[King Arts]

People keep saying that China will be a great power one that will be respected and dominate its local sphere of power.

And this might be true but it wont be the CCP who does it. The communists simply put on a very basic level have an idelology that violates china's core traditionalist values. The next regime be it a monarchy, milatary dictatorship or democracy I think will be the power that will sustainably put china on the map.

Maybe. You are right that communism does violate Chinese traditional values. Only look at the massacres and atrocities Mao did to try and erase his people's history. The only ones who were worse were the Khmer Rouge. But the modern CCP does not actually adhere to communist principles. Xi acts as a nationalist in the interest of China. Everyone keeps making the same mistakes about our rivals assuming they are static and unchanging. The modern Chinese are diffrent than the ones from Mao's time or how the Soviet's acted. Just like the modern US is completely diffrent from the US of the past, even though we have ostensibly the same government.

 

[Sailor.X]

Ahem.....



Shits about to get real for the CCP.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Their aluminum industry's fucked.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Wikipedia Administrators have intervened in the war between pro-ChiCom and pro-Democracy editors on the Chinese language Wikipedia. Wikipedia's biggest oversight group banned seven pro-CCP editors and removed the administrative powers of twelve others last month due to allegations of bullying and intimidation of posters who disagreed with them, primarily apparently pro-democracy editors in various topics but especially in articles relating to the Hong Kong Protests of recent years.

Wikipedia in Chinese editing war of words

A ban on some pro-Beijing "editors" may lead to bias in the online encyclopaedia, some people fear.

www.bbc.com

 

[JagerIV]

Wikipedia Administrators have intervened in the war between pro-ChiCom and pro-Democracy editors on the Chinese language Wikipedia. Wikipedia's biggest oversight group banned seven pro-CCP editors and removed the administrative powers of twelve others last month due to allegations of bullying and intimidation of posters who disagreed with them, primarily apparently pro-democracy editors in various topics but especially in articles relating to the Hong Kong Protests of recent years.

Wikipedia in Chinese editing war of words

A ban on some pro-Beijing "editors" may lead to bias in the online encyclopaedia, some people fear.

www.bbc.com

I'm honestly a bit shocked every time I hear a story of a mainstream company not bending over backwards to support the pro-China side.

 

[King Arts]

Good job wiki. That site should be information about history and stuff not some propaganda.

 

[Zachowon]

Yahoo fully pulls out of China

Yahoo pulls out of China amid 'challenging' environment

Yahoo Inc. on Tuesday said it plans to pull out of China, citing an “increasingly challenging business and legal environment.”

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Cherico]

Yahoo fully pulls out of China

Yahoo pulls out of China amid 'challenging' environment

Yahoo Inc. on Tuesday said it plans to pull out of China, citing an “increasingly challenging business and legal environment.”

www.foxbusiness.com

And one of the slower horses crosses the finish line.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Pretty sure I saw this in a movie before, or that Simpsons episode where the Robots went crazy in the Amusement Park.

Anyways thirty thousand people locked inside of Shanghai Disneyland over report of a single CommieCough infection. Every visitor had to take a Covid test before being allowed to leave, which occurred around 1030PM that night in a process that apparently took many hours.

China Holds 30,000 People Inside Shanghai Disneyland After Single COVID-19 Infection Reported

A surreal scene descended upon the Magic Kingdom on Sunday as thousands of guests and staff inside the park were forced to undergo tests before being allowed to leave.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[History Learner]

If nothing else gave away that this piece is nothing but CCP propaganda, this would.

China has been suffering from rolling brownouts throughout much of the nation, their real-estate market is in the process of collapsing, on top of the buildings themselves collapsing, and their rampant IP and hardware theft from manufacturers that built factories in their country has finally (among other things) turned the tide on the willingness of foreign companies to invest there.

The CCP's absolute refusal to deal honestly with literally any foreign power is in the process of destroying their nation and economy, and they have no-one to blame but themselves.

So literally the exact same issues the U.S. has faced and exactly as the U.S. acts in foreign policy?

 

[Zachowon]

So literally the exact same issues the U.S. has faced and exactly as the U.S. acts in foreign policy?

What?
We arnt facing rolling brownouts throughout the whole country..
Our buildings are much better quality then thjers even with our shotty unions.
Our real estate market isn't on the verge if crashing like thiers is...

 

[History Learner]

What?
We arnt facing rolling brownouts throughout the whole country..
Our buildings are much better quality then thjers even with our shotty unions.
Our real estate market isn't on the verge if crashing like thiers is...

Yes, because our Real Estate market already crashed over a decade ago, our infrastructure is C and D rated and we don't have rolling brownouts-yet. We do, however, have vast shortages occurring and it's not like rolling brownouts are a new thing either in America.

 

[Zachowon]

Yes, because our Real Estate market already crashed over a decade ago, our infrastructure is C and D rated and we don't have rolling brownouts-yet. We do, however, have vast shortages occurring and it's not like rolling brownouts are a new thing either in America.

Rolling brown outs are a thing in states like California, because they are passing laws that make any competent energy off limits.
Our real estate market isn't about to default, and is actually in a weird spot right now all depending on where one happens to be.
Our infrastructure isn't windows falling out and landing on people, buildings falling for no reason but sotty construction.

Again, we may not be the best, but China cant build shit competently.

And yes, we have some supply issues because of a Union. If only we were the CCP and put a gun to the heads of those in charge of the ports maybe we wouldn't have any such issue