Chekov's Donbass Thread

[Admiral Chekov]

A site for tracking foreign mercenaries in Ukraine has been launched by Russian-affiliated Internet sources
https://foreigncombatants.ru/en

 

[Marduk]

Source: "Typical Donetsk", a group by & for Donetsk residents in VKontakte (a Russian social network)

Ah, i see another order for shilling came through from Kremlin.
If we are doing competitive shilling, let's give everyone a bit of a better idea about what Slavic discount North Korea you are shilling for.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2021/01/29/inside-donetsk-art-center-turned-concentration-camp-first-public-photos-of-izolyatsia-since-2014/

Now you can see that they truly deserve their name of "people's republics", they have proper gulags after all. This site has a lot of other interesting stories too.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2020/05/08/donetsk-art-center-turned-into-concentration-camp-former-hostages-share-their-memories/

Eventually, Stanislav decided to confess. He was stripped of the bag on his head and placed at the table. Then he saw what his cell looked like: there were eight people – four “spies and saboteurs,” and three more were local entrepreneurs who supported the “republic.”

“For the prisoners to ‘recall better,’ they brought them to the ‘cafeteria,’ an interrogation room,” Stanislav explains, “There was a ‘tapik’ in the basement – a field phone set used to generate the electric current.

“If only they stopped torturing you after your forced confessions! But we were under everyday moral and physical terror. I remember hearing the steps down the corridor and thinking, ‘Let it be not after me.’
“They open iron doors and get a victim out to beat with fists, feet, a baseball bat, a gun-butt. In cells, in corridors, at work. Day and night. Up to the point when they break your ribs or you lose consciousness. Some couldn’t survive it. But we don’t know the first or last names of those killed.”

https://euromaidanpress.com/2020/01/14/russians-taught-how-to-torture-ex-captives-of-donbas-republics-share-horrors-of-basement-prisons/

Oleh Hlaziuk, a philosophy teacher from Torez, was taken captive on two occasions. Firstly in 2014, he experienced a faked execution by gunfire. On his second arrest on 24 August 2017, he was taken to a prison. He was “convicted” of anonymously writing and supplying materials to Radio Liberty and sentenced to 16 years. His particular crimes were referring to the illegal republics as “territories occupied by Russia” and writing “DNR” in quotation marks.


The ex-prisoner told journalists of RFE/RL that Russians were brought into the self-proclaimed republics to teach how to torture.

Guess we can't say "Russian World" doesn't spread the light of education to those it visits.
So here's some info about another side of typical Donetsk.

 

[ATP]

The more large Ukrainian units get destroyed/choose to surrender in the Donbass region, the more active Ukrainian artillery becomes, shelling civilian areas in Donetsk and other towns. This goes both for units that can hit Donetsk from long distance and for the Ukrainian artillery remnants that are still holed up inside DPR/LPR/Russian-controlled territory, using locals as human shields. Military equipment supplied to the Kiev-based regime by US and NATO is also being used in the shelling of Donetsk. The residents of Donetsk have suffered regular Ukrainian army shellings for 8 years, but they consider the current situation unprecedented, only comparable to the events of 2014-15. The people of Donetsk have grown used to the sounds of shells/rockets since 2014, and more or less know of their destructive capabilities. Now, unfamiliar US/NATO ammunition hits Donetsk (for example, civilians report that some types of shells fly quietly, so there's no time to take cover before they explode). Dozens of civilians were killed in Donetsk and other DPR/LPR towns in the last several weeks. Not that this is anything fundamentally new - Ukrainian army had been using heavy military equipment against civilians in Donbass since 2014. The current shellings seem to be aimed at forcing the residents of Donetsk and Luhansk to lose hope for a better future. However, those people didn't start the war. Unlike the Kiev-based radical nationalists, they never painted any nation as savage/subhuman; they never brought up their kids to hate their close neighbors - and never will. The people of Donetsk and Luhansk have never lost hope that the 8-year-long nightmare will end. They're certainly not willing to give up now


Shelling of the outskirts of Donetsk (15.06.2022)

Miner rescue station in Donetsk, damaged by the shelling (17.06.2022)

Shelling of Donetsk (17.06.2022)

Shells and rockets hitting blocks of flats in Donetsk (18.06.2022)

Aftermath of the shelling of the "ExpoDonbass" exhibition center in Donetsk (18.06.2022)

Aftermath of shells hitting the "Vishnevyi" ("Cherry") residential complex and a block of flats on the Vannikov St. (Kuibysevski district) in Donetsk today (20.06.2022)

Source: "Typical Donetsk", a group by & for Donetsk residents in VKontakte (a Russian social network)

Dear kgb,who attacked whom,Russia Ukraine,or Ukraine Russia?
And when kgb schell ukrainian cities,ukraine could do the same to kgbstan.

 

[Admiral Chekov]

Patrick Lancaster reports from Donetsk and suburbs during/in the aftermath of the shellings & interviews the locals (with English subtitles)

 

[Admiral Chekov]

This poem has gained popularity/generated lots of discussions on Russian social networks & TV channels lately. The name of the author is presently unknown (judging from the original text, it could be someone from the Russian rap scene)

*****


Why don't the Russians smile more?
Our feelings are real, they're not a show
It goes on; pours, melts, smokes and kindles
"Why do the Russians smile so little?"


At the heart of the most enlightened worlds,
The darkest of black holes are born.
But, none of that really matters.
"Why do the Russians smile so little?" - that's what counts.
Trying to drown out other questions? An old trick, partners.


- Hey, Russians, why do you smile so little?
We do smile... When things go as we hoped;
We smile when we meet a kindred soul;
And, and the end of every long winter, we do smile, ever so little


A thin stalk rises up through heavy lumps - that's how the earth smiles;
You stand on it, feeling the strength with your feet, and the smile lits your eyes


We smile when new cities appear on icy plains
When our guy flies first into space
When a tired soldier comes back victorious, a grin on his face


*******

There could be other English translations of this poem out there. The name mystery could be the author's way of upping the hype, or it could be due to author's unwillingness to appear "too patriotic". Or, it could be some other reasons. The poem deals with such issues as the ongoing biased/unrealistic portrayal of Russia in the West (which never really ceased, only changed forms through the ages), and the refusal of the West to truly admit own mistakes (such as giving birth to fascism/supporting neo-nazism) and preferring to remain blind to some things, such as the deaths of civilians in Donbass at the hands of Ukrainian army since 2014

 

[Marduk]

Patrick Lancaster

A paid propagandists then, openly working for Russian state owned media.


Is he your co-professional, or are you doing this out of ideological motivation?

There could be other English translations of this poem out there. The name mystery could be the author's way of upping the hype, or it could be due to author's unwillingness to appear "too patriotic". Or, it could be some other reasons. The poem deals with such issues as the ongoing biased/unrealistic portrayal of Russia in the West (which never really ceased, only changed forms through the ages), and the refusal of the West to truly admit own mistakes (such as giving birth to fascism/supporting neo-nazism) and preferring to remain blind to some things, such as the deaths of civilians in Donbass at the hands of Ukrainian army since 2014

And yet it's DPR sentencing prisoners of war to death... exactly like fascists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_Order

 

[ATP]

A site for tracking foreign mercenaries in Ukraine has been launched by Russian-affiliated Internet sources
https://foreigncombatants.ru/en

Dear kgb,volunteers fight for Freedom.I knew,that you do not knew what it is,so i told you - it is something which you never had.

Since you like poems,here one explaining your country nature:

Zbigniew Herbert ,A Russian Tale

The tsar our little father had grown old, very old. Now he could not even strangle a dove with his own hands. Sitting on his throne he was golden and frigid. Only his beard grew, down to the floor and farther.

Then someone else ruled, it was not known who. Curious folk peeped into the palace windows but Krivonosov screened the windows with gibbets. Thus only the hanged saw anything.

In the end the tsar our little father died for good. The bells rang and rang, yet they did not bring his body out. Our tsar had grown into the throne. The legs of the throne had become all mixed up with the legs of the tsar. His arm and the armrest were one. It was impossible to tear him loose. And to bury the tsar along with the golden throne - what a shame.

P.S russians do not smile,becouse they wanted rape and steal wasmachines on entire Ukraine,but now they could only in parts of Donieck.
Like poem said - what a shame!

 

[Admiral Chekov]

From https://foreigncombatants.ru/en, a site that lists foreign mercenaries in Ukraine:

Giuseppe Donini can be considered a professional mercenary: he was a member of the French Foreign Legion, was a part of private military missions in Africa and Near East

In 2014 Donini took part in war for Donbass, in battle for the Donetsk Airport. According to his own words, he bought ammunition himself. Ukrainian equipment leaves much to be desired.
During the conflict he joined neo-Nazi oriented detachment “Azov”

Some time ago he returned to Italy and in December of 2021 he messaged that he is going to return to Ukraine to fight against Russia. After the start of Russian special war operation in Ukraine he has left Italy and deleted his accounts in social networks, so there is absence of definite information about his participation in current conflict.
All attempts to contact his relatives have been fruitless: they don’t want to comment this story, especially since it’s illegal in Italy

Donini (center, top row) with his "Azov" mates, making Nazi salutes. Donbass, 2015

 

[ATP]

From https://foreigncombatants.ru/en, a site that lists foreign mercenaries in Ukraine:

Giuseppe Donini can be considered a professional mercenary: he was a member of the French Foreign Legion, was a part of private military missions in Africa and Near East

In 2014 Donini took part in war for Donbass, in battle for the Donetsk Airport. According to his own words, he bought ammunition himself. Ukrainian equipment leaves much to be desired.
During the conflict he joined neo-Nazi oriented detachment “Azov”

Some time ago he returned to Italy and in December of 2021 he messaged that he is going to return to Ukraine to fight against Russia. After the start of Russian special war operation in Ukraine he has left Italy and deleted his accounts in social networks, so there is absence of definite information about his participation in current conflict.
All attempts to contact his relatives have been fruitless: they don’t want to comment this story, especially since it’s illegal in Italy

Donini (center, top row) with his "Azov" mates, making Nazi salutes. Donbass, 2015

So,one of cyborgs,then.Another italian hero fighting soviets,just like alpini during WW2.This time really defending Europe,not just germans.
And why do you tell us so? to defend current italians idiots who worshipp putin bandits? One hero do not save good name of country.

P.S Why do you consider nazi as bad? your idol sralin made allaince with them and together they started WW2.If he manage to backstab his Hitler ally,as he planned,Europe and Africa would be soviet now.
200 millions or more gulag victims,but - at least nobody in Western Europe would belive in soviet shit.

 

[WolfBear]

Ukraine separatists draft anyone they can – DW – 04/27/2022

Major recruitment drives were launched in the "Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics" just days before Russia invaded Ukraine. Locals tell DW how young men are living in fear or fleeing the region.

www.dw.com

Pro-Russian Separatists Set the Stage for Foreign Fighter Executions

The three men—Britons Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner and Moroccan Brahim Saadoun—were convicted and sentenced to death in early June.

nationalinterest.org

 

[ShadowArxxy]

If foreign volunteers are considered mercenaries and executed as such, the same BS logic should be applied to consider every Russian soldier in the Ukraine as a "mercenary".

 

[ATP]

If foreign volunteers are considered mercenaries and executed as such, the same BS logic should be applied to consider every Russian soldier in the Ukraine as a "mercenary".

You have a point.They do not declare war,and officially fight for those fake republics,so....I should think about that earlier.

 

[History Learner]

From Главная страница, a site that lists foreign mercenaries in Ukraine:

Giuseppe Donini can be considered a professional mercenary: he was a member of the French Foreign Legion, was a part of private military missions in Africa and Near East

In 2014 Donini took part in war for Donbass, in battle for the Donetsk Airport. According to his own words, he bought ammunition himself. Ukrainian equipment leaves much to be desired.
During the conflict he joined neo-Nazi oriented detachment “Azov”

Some time ago he returned to Italy and in December of 2021 he messaged that he is going to return to Ukraine to fight against Russia. After the start of Russian special war operation in Ukraine he has left Italy and deleted his accounts in social networks, so there is absence of definite information about his participation in current conflict.
All attempts to contact his relatives have been fruitless: they don’t want to comment this story, especially since it’s illegal in Italy

Donini (center, top row) with his "Azov" mates, making Nazi salutes. Donbass, 2015

Loving your thread dude! Lots of great content in here.

 

[Admiral Chekov]

Kids' corner #1


Frames from a Soviet-era filmstrip, "Amazing Adventures of Grishutka" (story by O. Berdnik, 1991). The filmstrip was made at one of the Soviet Ukraine's film studios. It tells of a 21st century boy, Grisha. Together with his parents and his friends, he gets into various adventures on future Earth and then takes part in an interstellar mission, making contact with intelligent beings on other planets. As countless other Soviet-era Ukraine-published books, magazines, etc, this filmstrip is in Ukrainian

 

[Admiral Chekov]

Kids' corner #2

Illustrations from "Adventures of Alarmik and His Friends" (story by O. Vitvitskiy, 2014), first in a popular series of Ukrainian childrens' books about Alarmik, a young member of Ukrainian nationalist military unit (sporting the WW2-era uniform that was worn by people, who pledged allegiance to Adolf Hitler and killed Jewish, Polish, Ukrainian and Russian civilians during World War 2). The book is actually a self-declared ABC-book of a Ukrainian nationalist

 

[ATP]

Kids' corner #2

Illustrations from "Adventures of Alarmik and His Friends" (story by O. Vitvitskiy, 2014), first in a popular series of Ukrainian childrens' books about Alarmik, a young member of Ukrainian nationalist military unit (sporting the WW2-era uniform that was worn by people, who pledged allegiance to Adolf Hitler and killed Jewish, Polish, Ukrainian and Russian civilians during World War 2). The book is actually a self-declared ABC-book of a Ukrainian nationalist

And your point is?
Becouse Ukraine pray to UPA genociders who genocided poles,but Moscow pray to soviets which genocided poles,too - but mainly russians.
You could complain,if you do not idolize soviet genociders.
Now,you are only silly.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

You have a point.They do not declare war,and officially fight for those fake republics,so....I should think about that earlier.

Just to be clear -- the whole reason countries do not play games with legal technicalities here is that when they start doing so, the rules of war go out the door and everyone starts executing prisoners of war.

The rules of war are fundamentally nothing more than a gentleman's agreement between sovereign states; they are in real terms only as binding as the sovereign states *chose to follow them*. When a nation choses *not to* do so, they either get stomped on by everyone else for "war crimes", or if they're too big and powerful to be stomped on like that, the rules just go out the window entirely.

 

[ATP]

Just to be clear -- the whole reason countries do not play games with legal technicalities here is that when they start doing so, the rules of war go out the door and everyone starts executing prisoners of war.

The rules of war are fundamentally nothing more than a gentleman's agreement between sovereign states; they are in real terms only as binding as the sovereign states *chose to follow them*. When a nation choses *not to* do so, they either get stomped on by everyone else for "war crimes", or if they're too big and powerful to be stomped on like that, the rules just go out the window entirely.

Now i undarstandt Moscov.They abadonned rules of war as soviets,and nothing happened,even when they tortured or killed american prisoners.They remember times when they could do so,so decide to do that again.

Considering how Biden is weak,it could even work for them.Or not.We would see.

 

[Admiral Chekov]

Despite 8 years of Ukrainian army shelling civilian targets in Donetsk (including direct hits on the main post office building), Donbass Post continues exemplary work. DPR has issued hundreds of high quality stamps over the years. Now that the republic has joined Russia, it will switch to Russian stamps (which will probably add collectors' value to past DPR releases). There's a growing fan base of Donetsk and Luhansk stamps in Russia and other countries. Donbass Post stamps are currently featured at an exhibition in the Alexandr Popov Central Museum of Communications (Saint Petersburg)

Recently-opened Donbass Post philatelic shop in Donetsk. The sign on the entrance reads: "Due to emergency/repair works some post offices may work with interruptions. We apologise for temporary inconvenience"

 

[Admiral Chekov]

Some info worth keeping in mind...

Source: Russian Foreign Ministry site (English version)