The us has done that numerous times in the past, and their not giving up land just not going to happen.
Bureau of Indian affairs sucks
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The us has done that numerous times in the past, and their not giving up land just not going to happen.
Actually some of us have been buying up land around the Black Hills. Only thing is that the tribes can't buy "State" land.
What the US really needs to do is blank slate all the Indian laws, treaties, agreements, etc. and create new ones to handle the issues.
Including in that re-do would be settling all outstanding issues and establishing very clear and explicit rules for how tribes are dealt with in the future.
Honestly. All tribal citizens gain the automatic, absolute, right to have any legal proceeding to which they are a party removed to federal court and judged under federal law. With the caveat that if all parties to the suit are members of the same tribe then the federal court will apply that tribes tribal law as well.
All tribal citizens are immune to all state or local taxes save consumption or real estate property taxes.
Recognized federal tribes can acquire ownership of lands and when they do so that can (under some circumstances) become tribal lands that are outside any state regulation of them.
It would take a constitutional amendment, but I would support creating a "Indian" state that gets their 2 Senators and 1+ Representatives (and the associated electoral votes) with all recognized tribal citizens (regardless of residency) being the voter base for that representation.
Including in that re-do would be settling all outstanding issues and establishing very clear and explicit rules for how tribes are dealt with in the future.
Honestly. All tribal citizens gain the automatic, absolute, right to have any legal proceeding to which they are a party removed to federal court and judged under federal law. With the caveat that if all parties to the suit are members of the same tribe then the federal court will apply that tribes tribal law as well.
All tribal citizens are immune to all state or local taxes save consumption or real estate property taxes.
Recognized federal tribes can acquire ownership of lands and when they do so that can (under some circumstances) become tribal lands that are outside any state regulation of them.
It would take a constitutional amendment, but I would support creating a "Indian" state that gets their 2 Senators and 1+ Representatives (and the associated electoral votes) with all recognized tribal citizens (regardless of residency) being the voter base for that representation.
What emcompasses "State" land exactly? Areas where there are resources, or something?
It'd just be simpler to fomally give Wyoming and maybe Alaska over to the collective Indian tribes for the Senate representation issue.
The states are already places with a large reservation/Indian population and footprint, so wouldn't unbalance/disrupt local politics.
No, it would be virtually impossible. It would run headlong into a laundry list of Constitutional issues.
It would be easier to create a new "state" for the tribes than to give them an extant state.
National and State parks and monuments and such. An example would be Bear Butte. The site has religious significance to many tribes, but it is a State Park which is managed by South Dakota.
ParadiseLost
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I get that, but ultimately its a self destructive path.
It was always supposed to suck.
Natives get the most shaft end of the stick as anyone.
Everywhere in this country we step, we step, we step on their graves.
Then it's kinda like you drive through Oklahoma, it's ok.
Have a drink, you're Choctaw.
I had a friend who was Choctaw, he used that as an excuse for his drinking.
Uh, but you don't understand.
I do understand, you CHOOSE to do that, you play that native card when you feel like it, and you entirely dishonor your ancestors with your behavior.
But then years later I'm driving through Oklahoma home.
I see all the billboards.
It's subconscious programming.
Here ya go chief, have a beer.
Natives get the most shaft end of the stick as anyone.
Everywhere in this country we step, we step, we step on their graves.
Then it's kinda like you drive through Oklahoma, it's ok.
Have a drink, you're Choctaw.
I had a friend who was Choctaw, he used that as an excuse for his drinking.
Uh, but you don't understand.
I do understand, you CHOOSE to do that, you play that native card when you feel like it, and you entirely dishonor your ancestors with your behavior.
But then years later I'm driving through Oklahoma home.
I see all the billboards.
It's subconscious programming.
Here ya go chief, have a beer.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
I'll go back to what I said two weeks ago. At this point, I think it's far too late to fix anything. I think the Native American people will have to do one of 2 things.
1. Assimilate and interbreed, like how they did with the Spanish, giving us what is now the bulk of Latin America,
2. Rebuild themselves and their culture using what fragments they have of the old as a cornerstone (As the Pagans have done)
the third option is to not do anything and eventually just fade from existence existing as little more than a historical footnote and a piece of pop culture. None of these are "The Right Answer" but the opportunity for the right answer has long passed.
1. Assimilate and interbreed, like how they did with the Spanish, giving us what is now the bulk of Latin America,
2. Rebuild themselves and their culture using what fragments they have of the old as a cornerstone (As the Pagans have done)
the third option is to not do anything and eventually just fade from existence existing as little more than a historical footnote and a piece of pop culture. None of these are "The Right Answer" but the opportunity for the right answer has long passed.
LordsFire
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The second really isn't viable. There are some exceptions, but for the most part native American tribes were hunter/gatherers who had no cultural taboo against raiding and enslaving others.
That's not a viable culture in the modern day.
Doomsought
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The Five Civilized Tribes put some effort into it, but this ended up being their downfall as it made them a threat to the westward expansion of the southern states, and the second worst president in US history could not allow that.
Realisitcally no one was going to allow that, countries that pass up the chance to be great powers for an idealized vision of justice get destroyed by the ones that are more pragmatic.
That’s human history in a nutshell. Sad that so many people in this day and age have forgotten or never learned that. We’d have much less problems with the wokists and so on because no one would give them the time of day.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
Just remember that Satan rules the world and good prevails by God destroying the world in fire and unraveling reality rolling it up like a scroll. After which everyone is individual judged and sent to one of two places. So ask yourself what really is worth conserving and what are you willing to sacrifice to conserve it.