Bidengate in which a meth head son and possible child abuser ruins your political grift

Honestly, not yet. From my position in the left wing bubble I have the following impressions:

-Laptop thing is a shit show that's probably not true.
-If it is true, it still isn't to scale with my impression of how bad the Trump administration is.

The second part is really important to note I think. If I was convinced Biden was exceptionally personally corrupt, my resigned thought is "well, okay, but Trump's parade of nonsense is still far too long to make me want another four years of it." I am just exhausted by the Trump period on an emotional level; it seems like a blur since he was elected. Some of this might be my diagnosed depression, but in my media bubble there's been an endless wave of feeling baited into a reaction that's left me numb enough that I have trouble caring even if Biden was objectively worse than Trump.

It might be that the mainstream media and my quite liberal parents are more to blame than Trump, but I doubt it. I've been stunned by Trump's longevity since about the time his feuding with a Gold Star family during the Republican primary season and am under the impression that Trump has been trying to get people exhausted as a political strategy. Between "very corrupt relaunch of Obama administration with extra sex abuse" and "four more years" it's pretty hard for me not to go with the former.

My question is, how would your trust in what the mainstream media is telling you change if Trump wins? Especially if he wins fairly commandingly?

At what point does it become "these people are either just flat out lying to me or so fucking incompetent that I couldn't trust them to report honestly on the cuteness of fluffy kittens"?
 
Honestly, not yet. From my position in the left wing bubble I have the following impressions:

-Laptop thing is a shit show that's probably not true.
-If it is true, it still isn't to scale with my impression of how bad the Trump administration is.

The second part is really important to note I think. If I was convinced Biden was exceptionally personally corrupt, my resigned thought is "well, okay, but Trump's parade of nonsense is still far too long to make me want another four years of it." I am just exhausted by the Trump period on an emotional level; it seems like a blur since he was elected. Some of this might be my diagnosed depression, but in my media bubble there's been an endless wave of feeling baited into a reaction that's left me numb enough that I have trouble caring even if Biden was objectively worse than Trump.

It might be that the mainstream media and my quite liberal parents are more to blame than Trump, but I doubt it. I've been stunned by Trump's longevity since about the time his feuding with a Gold Star family during the Republican primary season and am under the impression that Trump has been trying to get people exhausted as a political strategy. Between "very corrupt relaunch of Obama administration with extra sex abuse" and "four more years" it's pretty hard for me not to go with the former.
Here you see a lefty admit that they have issues in the head but its cause its Trumps fault that they have issues rather then their own or their parents fault.

I find the parent part surprising considering leftists love shitting on the family unit including their own family.

We see that other lefties say that white people is the fault of why they are screwed up in the head.
 
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Here you see a lefty admit that they have issues in the head but its cause its Trumps fault that they have issues rather then their own.

We see that other lefties say that white people is the fault of why they are screwed up in the head.

Dude, chill. There are better ways to criticize his points than insulting him.
 
I'm just summarizing all the bs in said posters post. Which boils down to I have issues and I blame it on Trump.

Understandable. I share your frustrations with that attitude. Never the less, I feel it is infact counter productive to get personal. Quote the the facts. They speak for themselves. Ask pointed questions. Logic and reason will win this argument. Not getting into your emotions.
 
Honestly, not yet. From my position in the left wing bubble I have the following impressions:

-Laptop thing is a shit show that's probably not true.
-If it is true, it still isn't to scale with my impression of how bad the Trump administration is.

The second part is really important to note I think. If I was convinced Biden was exceptionally personally corrupt, my resigned thought is "well, okay, but Trump's parade of nonsense is still far too long to make me want another four years of it." I am just exhausted by the Trump period on an emotional level; it seems like a blur since he was elected. Some of this might be my diagnosed depression, but in my media bubble there's been an endless wave of feeling baited into a reaction that's left me numb enough that I have trouble caring even if Biden was objectively worse than Trump.

It might be that the mainstream media and my quite liberal parents are more to blame than Trump, but I doubt it. I've been stunned by Trump's longevity since about the time his feuding with a Gold Star family during the Republican primary season and am under the impression that Trump has been trying to get people exhausted as a political strategy. Between "very corrupt relaunch of Obama administration with extra sex abuse" and "four more years" it's pretty hard for me not to go with the former.
First of all, thanks for sharing your point of view as what's probably a pretty lonely lefty voice in the right/center-right wilderness here, WyldCard4. I'll also state that as someone not from the US whose domestic media exposure of all matters American is almost 100% anti-Trump (and almost equally anti-American at that, too) I do understand the wish of hoping it all to end and to go back to some form of normalcy. The constant Trump this, Orange Man that can get exhausting even on this side of the ocean.

My question to you - which is something I've asked several people already, in real life and online, and which I've never been able to receive a satisfying answer to - however is: apart from the media- and family induced subjective belief that Trump is the wrong choice, what has he objectively done that makes him such a bad choice? Not the unfounded nothingburgers the media and DNC establishment have him accused of that turned out to be hot air (*cough* Russiagate *cough*), but actual policy decisions that make him untenable to you and others who may think like you?

Trump's presidency has seen the most significant increase in economic prosperity in the US for much of the middle and lower income brackets in decades. His policy of tariffs and "stick and carrot" has seen hundreds of thousands of working class manufacturing jobs returned to the US. He's the first president in decades not to get involved in additional foreign conflicts and has scaled US military involvement back considerably compared to his predecessors. He has consistenly denounced white surpremacists since pretty much the first weeks of his presidency, has spoken against censorship, and of all the candidates running and being elected as Presidents with a (R) behind their name in maybe the past 30 years he has been the most pro-LGBT one. No amount of leftwing media yammering changes the facts that Trump looks like a more tolerant and less racist candidate than his opponents who seem to thrive on fanning the flames of the unrest that's gripped so much of the USA. Those are all traditionally leftwing points and stances that should make him a surefire pick for moderates, and are glaringly obvious even to someone who is not an American.

So what is it that makes him so bad? I'm genuinely curious.
 
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Understandable. I share your frustrations with that attitude. Never the less, I feel it is infact counter productive to get personal. Quote the the facts. They speak for themselves. Ask pointed questions. Logic and reason will win this argument. Not getting into your emotions.
First of all, thanks for sharing your point of view as what's probably a pretty lonely lefty voice in the right/center-right wilderness here, WyldCard4. I'll also state that as someone not from the US whose domestic media exposure of all matters American is almost 100% anti-Trump (and almost equally anti-American at that, too) I do understand the wish of hoping it all to end and to go back to some form of normalcy. The constant Trump this, Orange Man that can get exhausting even on this side of the ocean.
No. This bolded is what frustrates me.

Do you guys think that this is not by design?

The Media and Academia and the Overlords raise hell and make sure you hear about it non-stop. To demoralize you, to get you tired and willing to give them what they want to shut it up.

Trump did not create the left's hatred. He revealed it.
 
Trump did not create the left's hatred. He revealed it.

True, I acknowledge the point. But I've seen where the 'fight fire with fire' approach leads. It's never pretty. And that's inevitably what happens when you get inside your emotions. The left often relies on emotional appeals and emotional arguments. The right often uses logic and reason in ours. They say we dont feel enough. We say they dont think enough. Our site has a reputation of being rather vicious to the left. I understand it because many of our members were victimized by said Leftists and want to strike back. But you do us and yourself no favors by attacking someone who came to talk. This isnt Realm, Kravoka or Sophia coming in to troll or stir up shit. This is someone coming in to debate their point.

The point remains though. Use logic and reason in your points. You have facts and eviden which supports Bidens corruption. Use it. Ask questions to ascertain where he stands then tear his argument apart.
 
Wait, what package?
It supposedly had more docs relating to the Biden's, and Tucker had only been told it was being handed over Monday just before interviewing Bubolinski.

He had a producer in NY pick it up and ship it overnight. It was opened and the docs disappeared somewhere en route, and the shipping company notified Tucker about it.

The vid I posted from Carlson has him break it down and go into detail about what happened/what they know at this point.
 
My question to you - which is something I've asked several people already, in real life and online, and which I've never been able to receive a satisfying answer to - however is: apart from the media- and family induced subjective belief that Trump is the wrong choice, what has he objectively done that makes him such a bad choice? Not the unfounded nothingburgers the media and DNC establishment have him accused of that turned out to be hot air (*cough* Russiagate *cough*), but actual policy decisions that make him untenable to you and others who may think like you?

I know what I'm not the person you asked, but I'll give this a shot. I've loathed the man for decades for things his organization did to my own family but I won't go into that here. Putting that aside, the near constant series of car crashes that he's walked out of and how he's treated dozens of smaller contractors as a business man did not incline me even at the beginning. Given that he rose to political predominance leading the Birthers didn't help either.

But I have some serious problems with how he's done most things.
-The current Abrahamic Accords are an exception, and even then I am mostly hopeful. If Saudia Arabia signs on, I'll be more so. But it is possible this is simply a realignment, with Saudia Arabia and Israel in one corner with US backing, and Syria/Iran with Chinese/Russian backing. We will see.
-The second is China being a problem, but even then, a more consistent tone and clear objectives would have been far more helpful. We should have been building more relationships with the other powers in the region to help hedge out China, and shifting any production into India, Tiawan, and others.
1. Getting out the TPP. It went forward without the intellectual protections we specifically put in left. It also burned a lot of good will with Southeast Asia at a time when their help with China. It also provided a lowering of trade barriers in a dozen areas who are too far to take any industry that hasn't already been moved to China, making it easier to pressure companies to relocate. Beyond that it would have really opened up markets for our farmers helping them weather the tariffs and other things done to them by China.
2. Pulling out of the Iran deal unilaterally. Even if you don't like it, the damage is essentially done. Their frozen accounts have been unfrozen, and they have that money. All you are doing by pulling out of it by ourselves is throwing away what that purchased. It might be of dubious value, but without a smoking gun, its going strain our relationships and we aren't going to get sufficiently effective sanctions.
3. Fighting one Trade War at a time. If you are going after China, go after China. Don't pick a fight with everyone bloody else. Press China, get as many people on board to do the same to really turn the screws. Now wasn't a good time to renegotiate NAFTA, and it certainly wasn't a good idea to hit Europe with effectively retaliatory tariffs at the same time you want them to side with you against China.
4. Not really punishing NK for what they did to that poor college student. The one who was released and came back dead.
5. The Wall is the height of style over substance. You could achieve the same thing by placing border patrol stations at nodal locations, and using randomized drone overflights and cameras to monitor the boarder for a fraction of the cost. And you would be seizing private property with emmentant domain and bulldozing through both wildlife refugee and native american burial grounds. Beyond that, a large percentage of our boarder is a river, so either you are ere

No. This bolded is what frustrates me.

Do you guys think that this is not by design?

The Media and Academia and the Overlords raise hell and make sure you hear about it non-stop. To demoralize you, to get you tired and willing to give them what they want to shut it up.

Trump did not create the left's hatred. He revealed it.

Trump lives for the attention, he always has. Every Politician hits journalists when they think it will advantage them politically, and Republicans have been particularly being about hitting the mainstream who tend to the left. This gets them tons of earned media without spending a dime, and the media's reaction gets them attention from both the side that believes them and the side that doesn't. Democrats do the same for the Conservative Media sphere for much the same reason. It was self reinforcing cycle on both sides, that provided benefits to both while balkanizing our politics even worth. Advantage to individual and party being pursued.

Trump is the king of self promotion, its perhaps his greatest skill. Getting attention and building his brand are things he understands instinctively. He craves the attention and he understands on a nearly instinctive level that demonizing the media and getting them to do the same in turn will only increase his cache with his conservative base. So he smacks the media and they hit back, their industry having low enough margins that they can't avoid the low hanging fruit. So each feeds upon the other with ever increasing viciousness, their ratings climbing even as he gets hundreds of stories. Negative stories, but he is there every day. But essentially they've both been hotshotting, beyond the point of sustainability. And each subsequent story gets less of a ratings boost and each thing Trump does blends into another.

Trump isn't the biggest thing on Twitter because he disdains the media, he feeds on it. And on some level the media feels responsible for them, which adds a sense of guilt to further crank up the viciousness of the attacks. Like the remorseful doctor, looking at the path of destruction their monster created with horror.
 
Trump lives for the attention, he always has. Every Politician hits journalists when they think it will advantage them politically, and Republicans have been particularly being about hitting the mainstream who tend to the left. This gets them tons of earned media without spending a dime, and the media's reaction gets them attention from both the side that believes them and the side that doesn't. Democrats do the same for the Conservative Media sphere for much the same reason. It was self reinforcing cycle on both sides, that provided benefits to both while balkanizing our politics even worth. Advantage to individual and party being pursued.

Trump is the king of self promotion, its perhaps his greatest skill. Getting attention and building his brand are things he understands instinctively. He craves the attention and he understands on a nearly instinctive level that demonizing the media and getting them to do the same in turn will only increase his cache with his conservative base. So he smacks the media and they hit back, their industry having low enough margins that they can't avoid the low hanging fruit. So each feeds upon the other with ever increasing viciousness, their ratings climbing even as he gets hundreds of stories. Negative stories, but he is there every day. But essentially they've both been hotshotting, beyond the point of sustainability. And each subsequent story gets less of a ratings boost and each thing Trump does blends into another.

Trump isn't the biggest thing on Twitter because he disdains the media, he feeds on it. And on some level the media feels responsible for them, which adds a sense of guilt to further crank up the viciousness of the attacks. Like the remorseful doctor, looking at the path of destruction their monster created with horror.
And yet like a dumbass apparently you all fall for it. You let him live in your heads rentfree.

You leftists are all crazy and believe the media despite their lies and pretend to be resistance while believing everything the establishment says.

The left have only themselves to blame for their vileness to be shown to everyone but then again, its Trumps fault as per your side that you reacted like insane people. Because you wanted to put on a show that you are so called compassionate while in truth behind the scenes you are all hateful.

Also, fuck the media and fuck the journalists.

True, I acknowledge the point. But I've seen where the 'fight fire with fire' approach leads. It's never pretty. And that's inevitably what happens when you get inside your emotions. The left often relies on emotional appeals and emotional arguments. The right often uses logic and reason in ours. They say we dont feel enough. We say they dont think enough. Our site has a reputation of being rather vicious to the left. I understand it because many of our members were victimized by said Leftists and want to strike back. But you do us and yourself no favors by attacking someone who came to talk. This isnt Realm, Kravoka or Sophia coming in to troll or stir up shit. This is someone coming in to debate their point.

The point remains though. Use logic and reason in your points. You have facts and eviden which supports Bidens corruption. Use it. Ask questions to ascertain where he stands then tear his argument apart.
I will call the left for the vile people they are. I"m really sorry but I will not retract my statement. I stand by it.
 
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Thank you! That's the first time someone actually made useful argument for their dislike of the man based on differences in policy/substance rather than style.
I know what I'm not the person you asked, but I'll give this a shot. I've loathed the man for decades for things his organization did to my own family but I won't go into that here. Putting that aside, the near constant series of car crashes that he's walked out of and how he's treated dozens of smaller contractors as a business man did not incline me even at the beginning. Given that he rose to political predominance leading the Birthers didn't help either.

But I have some serious problems with how he's done most things.
-The current Abrahamic Accords are an exception, and even then I am mostly hopeful. If Saudia Arabia signs on, I'll be more so. But it is possible this is simply a realignment, with Saudia Arabia and Israel in one corner with US backing, and Syria/Iran with Chinese/Russian backing. We will see.
-The second is China being a problem, but even then, a more consistent tone and clear objectives would have been far more helpful. We should have been building more relationships with the other powers in the region to help hedge out China, and shifting any production into India, Tiawan, and others.
1. Getting out the TPP. It went forward without the intellectual protections we specifically put in left. It also burned a lot of good will with Southeast Asia at a time when their help with China. It also provided a lowering of trade barriers in a dozen areas who are too far to take any industry that hasn't already been moved to China, making it easier to pressure companies to relocate. Beyond that it would have really opened up markets for our farmers helping them weather the tariffs and other things done to them by China.
2. Pulling out of the Iran deal unilaterally. Even if you don't like it, the damage is essentially done. Their frozen accounts have been unfrozen, and they have that money. All you are doing by pulling out of it by ourselves is throwing away what that purchased. It might be of dubious value, but without a smoking gun, its going strain our relationships and we aren't going to get sufficiently effective sanctions.
3. Fighting one Trade War at a time. If you are going after China, go after China. Don't pick a fight with everyone bloody else. Press China, get as many people on board to do the same to really turn the screws. Now wasn't a good time to renegotiate NAFTA, and it certainly wasn't a good idea to hit Europe with effectively retaliatory tariffs at the same time you want them to side with you against China.
4. Not really punishing NK for what they did to that poor college student. The one who was released and came back dead.
5. The Wall is the height of style over substance. You could achieve the same thing by placing border patrol stations at nodal locations, and using randomized drone overflights and cameras to monitor the boarder for a fraction of the cost. And you would be seizing private property with emmentant domain and bulldozing through both wildlife refugee and native american burial grounds. Beyond that, a large percentage of our boarder is a river, so either you are ere
 
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I know what I'm not the person you asked, but I'll give this a shot. I've loathed the man for decades for things his organization did to my own family but I won't go into that here. Putting that aside, the near constant series of car crashes that he's walked out of and how he's treated dozens of smaller contractors as a business man did not incline me even at the beginning. Given that he rose to political predominance leading the Birthers didn't help either.

But I have some serious problems with how he's done most things.
-The current Abrahamic Accords are an exception, and even then I am mostly hopeful. If Saudia Arabia signs on, I'll be more so. But it is possible this is simply a realignment, with Saudia Arabia and Israel in one corner with US backing, and Syria/Iran with Chinese/Russian backing. We will see.
-The second is China being a problem, but even then, a more consistent tone and clear objectives would have been far more helpful. We should have been building more relationships with the other powers in the region to help hedge out China, and shifting any production into India, Tiawan, and others.
1. Getting out the TPP. It went forward without the intellectual protections we specifically put in left. It also burned a lot of good will with Southeast Asia at a time when their help with China. It also provided a lowering of trade barriers in a dozen areas who are too far to take any industry that hasn't already been moved to China, making it easier to pressure companies to relocate. Beyond that it would have really opened up markets for our farmers helping them weather the tariffs and other things done to them by China.
2. Pulling out of the Iran deal unilaterally. Even if you don't like it, the damage is essentially done. Their frozen accounts have been unfrozen, and they have that money. All you are doing by pulling out of it by ourselves is throwing away what that purchased. It might be of dubious value, but without a smoking gun, its going strain our relationships and we aren't going to get sufficiently effective sanctions.
3. Fighting one Trade War at a time. If you are going after China, go after China. Don't pick a fight with everyone bloody else. Press China, get as many people on board to do the same to really turn the screws. Now wasn't a good time to renegotiate NAFTA, and it certainly wasn't a good idea to hit Europe with effectively retaliatory tariffs at the same time you want them to side with you against China.
4. Not really punishing NK for what they did to that poor college student. The one who was released and came back dead.
5. The Wall is the height of style over substance. You could achieve the same thing by placing border patrol stations at nodal locations, and using randomized drone overflights and cameras to monitor the boarder for a fraction of the cost. And you would be seizing private property with emmentant domain and bulldozing through both wildlife refugee and native american burial grounds. Beyond that, a large percentage of our boarder is a river, so either you are ere



Trump lives for the attention, he always has. Every Politician hits journalists when they think it will advantage them politically, and Republicans have been particularly being about hitting the mainstream who tend to the left. This gets them tons of earned media without spending a dime, and the media's reaction gets them attention from both the side that believes them and the side that doesn't. Democrats do the same for the Conservative Media sphere for much the same reason. It was self reinforcing cycle on both sides, that provided benefits to both while balkanizing our politics even worth. Advantage to individual and party being pursued.

Trump is the king of self promotion, its perhaps his greatest skill. Getting attention and building his brand are things he understands instinctively. He craves the attention and he understands on a nearly instinctive level that demonizing the media and getting them to do the same in turn will only increase his cache with his conservative base. So he smacks the media and they hit back, their industry having low enough margins that they can't avoid the low hanging fruit. So each feeds upon the other with ever increasing viciousness, their ratings climbing even as he gets hundreds of stories. Negative stories, but he is there every day. But essentially they've both been hotshotting, beyond the point of sustainability. And each subsequent story gets less of a ratings boost and each thing Trump does blends into another.

Trump isn't the biggest thing on Twitter because he disdains the media, he feeds on it. And on some level the media feels responsible for them, which adds a sense of guilt to further crank up the viciousness of the attacks. Like the remorseful doctor, looking at the path of destruction their monster created with horror.
I just wanna comment on the nK thing.

Both the US and ROK are trying to make peace with nK and not have it break out in war. Pushing them for that would make our ROK allies worried and may hurt our relationship with them. Because the ROK are trying thker hardest to boost thier mikitary, but also resolve the Korean Peninsula peacefully having KJU and Moon or his successors come together.

We have not been pushing them hard because we are trusting our ROK allies to take a bigger step so we stay militarily invovled but in a support role. Though things are still changing and we may end up becoming more invvoled because after the 75th parade in nK it seems they are changing thier attitude. Something better or worse so we are preparing for both.
 
I just wanna comment on the nK thing.

Both the US and ROK are trying to make peace with nK and not have it break out in war. Pushing them for that would make our ROK allies worried and may hurt our relationship with them. Because the ROK are trying thker hardest to boost thier mikitary, but also resolve the Korean Peninsula peacefully having KJU and Moon or his successors come together.

We have not been pushing them hard because we are trusting our ROK allies to take a bigger step so we stay militarily invovled but in a support role. Though things are still changing and we may end up becoming more invvoled because after the 75th parade in nK it seems they are changing thier attitude. Something better or worse so we are preparing for both.

Hope for the best...and prepare for the worst.
 
I just wanna comment on the nK thing.

Both the US and ROK are trying to make peace with nK and not have it break out in war. Pushing them for that would make our ROK allies worried and may hurt our relationship with them. Because the ROK are trying thker hardest to boost thier mikitary, but also resolve the Korean Peninsula peacefully having KJU and Moon or his successors come together.

We have not been pushing them hard because we are trusting our ROK allies to take a bigger step so we stay militarily invovled but in a support role. Though things are still changing and we may end up becoming more invvoled because after the 75th parade in nK it seems they are changing thier attitude. Something better or worse so we are preparing for both.
Look, this talk of punishing NK is frankly bullshit. Leftists like being contrary. They believe that the US is a bully and an evil Empire and anything it does is wrong and people die cause of this. So not getting involved with punishing nations or starting escalations to war you'd think they would be for but they aren't cause it doesn't let them shit on Trump or the US in general and they hate that. They want the US to be involved in a war where tons of people die so that they can shit on the US and its soldiers and right wingers and Trump was evil war mongers.
 
Hope for the best...and prepare for the worst.
Exactly. Exactly.
We don't want war, but are preparing for it.
Look, this talk of punishing NK is frankly bullshit. Leftists like being contrary. They believe that the US is a bully and an evil Empire and anything it does is wrong and people die cause of this. So not getting involved with punishing nations or starting escalations to war you'd think they would be for but they aren't cause it doesn't let them shit on Trump or the US in general and they hate that. They want the US to be involved in a war where tons of people die so that they can shit on the US and its soldiers and right wingers and Trump was evil war mongers.
And stop your bullshit.

I can tell you right now. A war woth Iran, China or nK would instill major recruitment, and a draft except for against nK unless China gets invovled.

The truth about war will be revealed about what China and nK does. Same wkth Iran.

So stop your damn bullshiy
 
I can tell you right now. A war woth Iran, China or nK would instill major recruitment, and a draft except for against nK unless China gets invovled.

The truth about war will be revealed about what China and nK does. Same wkth Iran.

So stop your damn bullshiy
Where exactly did I say that war won't come in the future?

And what did I say that is bullshit? Its true. Leftists used to be anti-war and US is evil for being in other nations but are now suddenly neo-cons.

Its why I said that this talk of NK not being punished is just leftists being contrary.
 
Look, this talk of punishing NK is frankly bullshit. Leftists like being contrary. They believe that the US is a bully and an evil Empire and anything it does is wrong and people die cause of this. So not getting involved with punishing nations or starting escalations to war you'd think they would be for but they aren't cause it doesn't let them shit on Trump or the US in general and they hate that. They want the US to be involved in a war where tons of people die so that they can shit on the US and its soldiers and right wingers and Trump was evil war mongers.

You do not know me or my views, sir. You have no idea who am or what I advocate. That punishment could have taken the form of increasing sales of military hardware to South Korea, surprise exercises, or any of a dozen other avenues. I would have taken him being insulted/condemned by Trump on twitter. Something harsh ideally, but just something.
 
You do not know me or my views, sir. You have no idea who am or what I advocate. That punishment could have taken the form of increasing sales of military hardware to South Korea, surprise exercises, or any of a dozen other avenues. I would have taken him being insulted/condemned by Trump on twitter. Something harsh ideally, but just something.
ROK makes most of thier own equipment actually, or buys from Japan or Australia with the US supplying with support.

We do enough exercises, it isn't easy to do a"surprise" exercise as it takes months to plan.

We did have one of the largest shows of force a year or two ago that was combined. Every piece of equipment that fires from both ROK and US was I vovled that is army based iirc
 

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