United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

[What's the sitch?]

They are just slowly going to remove anyone capable of critical thinking(anyone that is not in full agreement with wokeism/sjw) while removing guns from the populace then the take over will be complete. The military will effectively be corporate police owned by private elite interests that defend them from any competition. The mainstream media is already their HR department, alt tech/media are trying but once the military take over is done and guns are removed there is nothing to stop them to outright literally killing competitors.

We've been slowly seeing this the past 20+ yrs(even 50+ yrs really) each step gets normalized along the way but the slippery slope still does not exist somehow.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Extremism doesn't even necessarily mean political extremism. There have been reports of growing amounts of street gang activity in military service, or more concerningly, gang members serving a term of service with the specific intent of gaining combat skills to return to the gangs with.

 

[Zachowon]

They are just slowly going to remove anyone capable of critical thinking(anyone that is not in full agreement with wokeism/sjw) while removing guns from the populace then the take over will be complete. The military will effectively be corporate police owned by private elite interests that defend them from any competition. The mainstream media is already their HR department, alt tech/media are trying but once the military take over is done and guns are removed there is nothing to stop them to outright literally killing competitors.

We've been slowly seeing this the past 20+ yrs(even 50+ yrs really) each step gets normalized along the way but the slippery slope still does not exist somehow.

Removing critical thinking is something one can't do from the military.
Yall need to remember how much the Militaru hates China, Iran and Russia.
We have no sympathies for them in the military.
The military will always remain strong and a place where the rights young go to die for the left, because that is what one that loves thier country does.
The military will never be a private police, the elites will use the police as that.
Because the military has a lot more morales then the police belive it or not. We are also allowed to say fuck no to an order and not lose everything

 

[Zachowon]

Extremism doesn't even necessarily mean political extremism. There have been reports of growing amounts of street gang activity in military service, or more concerningly, gang members serving a term of service with the specific intent of gaining combat skills to return to the gangs with.

This is also an issue, and FtHood has a massive problem with more then just that.
Ft Hood may be a reason for this in general woth the large amount if gangs in the city outside and the massive amount of issues on the base involving SHARP cases

 

[PsihoKekec]

Again, they can not, and I repeat can not fire any soldier for thier political beliefs as long as they are not supporting say a coup or a civil war, or an assassination attempt.

According to some long service members UCMJ 134-12 can be stretched a great deal to remove possible subversive elements and in case of officers 133 can be used. The goal of this administration is to break all dissention and they will go to any lengths to do it.

 

[LordsFire]

While attempts to purge the military of people who don't support the hard left is concerning, there's also a very serious issue that these people are apparently not considering.

If you kick constitutionalists out of the military for being constitutionalists, what do you think they're going to do afterwards?

The answer definitely isn't 'go and become a generic cultural leftist.' This is a great way to convince a lot of people that you're trying to prepare the military to be your personal band of thugs, and that they need to be prepared to resist that.

Largely because this is a fairly naked attempt to turn the military into their personal band of thugs.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

While attempts to purge the military of people who don't support the hard left is concerning, there's also a very serious issue that these people are apparently not considering.

If you kick constitutionalists out of the military for being constitutionalists, what do you think they're going to do afterwards?

The answer definitely isn't 'go and become a generic cultural leftist.' This is a great way to convince a lot of people that you're trying to prepare the military to be your personal band of thugs, and that they need to be prepared to resist that.

Largely because this is a fairly naked attempt to turn the military into their personal band of thugs.

that may not be a good idea unless they are wanting the military to literally be parodies of stormtroopers. Antifa are only effective as a mob in places where police and civs aren't allowed to fight back. It'd be foolish to have only those types in the military.

 

[What's the sitch?]

While attempts to purge the military of people who don't support the hard left is concerning, there's also a very serious issue that these people are apparently not considering.

If you kick constitutionalists out of the military for being constitutionalists, what do you think they're going to do afterwards?

The answer definitely isn't 'go and become a generic cultural leftist.' This is a great way to convince a lot of people that you're trying to prepare the military to be your personal band of thugs, and that they need to be prepared to resist that.

Largely because this is a fairly naked attempt to turn the military into their personal band of thugs.

according the zachowan that can't happen, I agree, in this direct iteration, but thats just about 2 steps removed as you said. You keep peeling away the layers and eventually you reach the center.

Because the military has a lot more morales then the police belive it or not. We are also allowed to say fuck no to an order and not lose everything

I agree, this round, and probably the next couple atleast. But it will get squeezed and tested and I keep seeing things get allowed. I want to be wrong but it just keeps sliding in one direction.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Again, they can not, and I repeat can not fire any soldier for thier political beliefs as long as they are not supporting say a coup or a civil war, or an assassination attempt.

“What we’re seeing is a small number of extremists dedicated to lawlessness. This is not dissent, it’s disorder, it’s chaos. It borders on sedition. And it must end, now,” Biden said from The Queen theater in Wilmington, Delaware. “I call on this mob to pull back now and allow the work of democracy to go forward.”

Biden told Trump to go on national television “to demand an end to this siege.”

“It’s not protest, it’s insurrection,” said Biden, a former 36-year senator and former vice president who presided over the Electoral College count in 2017 that seated Trump.

...Your doomed...

In all seriousness though, I agree.

 

[Zachowon]

According to some long service members UCMJ 134-12 can be stretched a great deal to remove possible subversive elements and in case of officers 133 can be used. The goal of this administration is to break all dissention and they will go to any lengths to do it.

And one could argue that my political affiliate does not matter if I am not open about it in my daily army life.
We get grilled on this.

according the zachowan that can't happen, I agree, in this direct iteration, but thats just about 2 steps removed as you said. You keep peeling away the layers and eventually you reach the center.



I agree, this round, and probably the next couple atleast. But it will get squeezed and tested and I keep seeing things get allowed. I want to be wrong but it just keeps sliding in one direction.

“What we’re seeing is a small number of extremists dedicated to lawlessness. This is not dissent, it’s disorder, it’s chaos. It borders on sedition. And it must end, now,” Biden said from The Queen theater in Wilmington, Delaware. “I call on this mob to pull back now and allow the work of democracy to go forward.”

Biden told Trump to go on national television “to demand an end to this siege.”

“It’s not protest, it’s insurrection,” said Biden, a former 36-year senator and former vice president who presided over the Electoral College count in 2017 that seated Trump.

...Your doomed...

In all seriousness though, I agree.

The military has a LOT of rules they follow that the civilian world doesn't.

Political talk is generally discouraged if you are a die hard and try to push your stance on others.

Most people don't care about it enough, don't want to talk, or there are those that just talk about every side equally. Like the LTC I work with.

The military has strict rules about how much money one can make as well.
Beilive it or not, one could go to IG about a general if they are taking funds under the table so on so forth.

The military does have plenty of neutral parties that want the best for the soldiers and for issues to be solved

 

[Zachowon]

Double post, but as my LTC put it, in the bay we are in for exercise right now at least 80 percent if the people in there would be considered extremists by the Maddow definition, and many left ideas of it. Politically maybe not, but what we think about war and various other means for sure.

That is the issue, they would hurt the US military way so horribly that they would never recover without a draft. There would be no combat arms. There would be little of all the others.
We would be a laughing stock.

 

[Rocinante]

Double post, but as my LTC put it, in the bay we are in for exercise right now at least 80 percent if the people in there would be considered extremists by the Maddow definition, and many left ideas of it. Politically maybe not, but what we think about war and various other means for sure.

That is the issue, they would hurt the US military way so horribly that they would never recover without a draft. There would be no combat arms. There would be little of all the others.
We would be a laughing stock.

Those negatives that you described here are what a lot of the left WANTS for our military.

 

[Zachowon]

Those negatives that you described here are what a lot of the left WANTS for our military.

To be so useless that we are basically a country ripe for invasion?

 

[Rocinante]

To be so useless that we are basically a country ripe for invasion?

Yes

 

[Cherico]

To be so useless that we are basically a country ripe for invasion?

you under estimate just how unbelivably stupid and arrogant they are, expecially the arrogance part.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

you under estimate just how unbelivably stupid and arrogant they are, expecially the arrogance part.

If the federal military becomes a laughing stock then would still revolution even be considered as such? I'm not sure how constitutional demiliterization is.

 

[Battlegrinder]

I'm not sure how constitutional demiliterization is.

It's more constitutional than militarization, actually. The founders didn't want to have a large standing army.

 

[Basileus_Komnenos]

It's more constitutional than militarization, actually. The founders didn't want to have a large standing army.

Then the Whiskey Rebellion and the War of 1812 occurred. The Founders sure changed their tune after that. The advent of the Civil War and the prospect of an intervention by The Second French Empire and the UK also necessitated a general expansion of the armed forces as well.

The US isn't the same entity that it was pre-1900 where it could afford to be a neutral and isolationist nation. Now its the global hegemonic power in a unipolar world. The entire post-World War economic and political framework is largely being held together by the collective protection which the US military provides.

If the US completely retreats it would bring total chaos around the world which would cause another power vacuum to emerge that will probably bring even worse problems that the US would have to deal with.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Then the Whiskey Rebellion and the War of 1812 occurred. The Founders sure changed their tune after that. The advent of the Civil War and the prospect of an intervention by The Second French Empire and the UK also necessitated a general expansion of the armed forces as well.

The US isn't the same entity that it was pre-1900 where it could afford to be a neutral and isolationist nation. Now its the global hegemonic power in a unipolar world. The entire post-World War economic and political framework is largely being held together by the collective protection which the US military provides.

If the US completely retreats it would bring total chaos around the world which would cause another power vacuum to emerge that will probably bring even worse problems that the US would have to deal with.

so the world belongs to the "gods", the rest of are just toys that may occasional get crumbs?

 

[Battlegrinder]

Then the Whiskey Rebellion and the War of 1812 occurred. The Founders sure changed their tune after that. The advent of the Civil War and the prospect of an intervention by The Second French Empire and the UK also necessitated a general expansion of the armed forces as well.

That's not quite accurate. The US has almost always had a standing army, but not a large one. The conflicts you cited did lead to an expansion of the US armed forces, but those expansion were followed by almost equally large contractions once the conflict was over. The present situation of a large, permanent army dates back only to the 20th century.