United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

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Typhonis said:
This bill may be in trouble if the states fight it legally. IS it constitutional or not? Because it sounds like it is telling the states how to run an election when that power is specifically reserved for state legislatures.
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I'm not lawyer but that sounds like a legitimate complaint.

Except the law as far as I know, restricts states from doing certain things, rather than telling them they have to do other things.

Again, I'm no lawyer so I have no idea how that will play out.
 
Typhonis said:
This bill may be in trouble if the states fight it legally. IS it constitutional or not? Because it sounds like it is telling the states how to run an election when that power is specifically reserved for state legislatures.
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I mean sure that’s a power the state legislature has, unless it would get in way of the wrong person being elected then anyone in any old position of power can just change the voting rules before the election. But remember if you call it unconstitutional before the election you can’t prove harm and after the election it’s too late because the results are already in and people will riot if you change them.
 
The real question is, how do we get the government to hold those states which illegally altered their election laws accountable, and even more importantly, how do we keep them from just doing this shit and cheating again? Do we need new laws, or so we just need to give existing ones teeth?
 
Captain X said:
The real question is, how do we get the government to hold those states which illegally altered their election laws accountable, and even more importantly, how do we keep them from just doing this shit and cheating again? Do we need new laws, or so we just need to give existing ones teeth?
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We need a supreme court that isn't full of people who are cowards that want to prove they aren't Trump stooges.

So I don't really have an easy answer...
 
Rocinante said:
We need a supreme court that isn't full of people who are cowards that want to prove they aren't Trump stooges.

So I don't really have an easy answer...
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Honestly this idea seems like try the same thing that failed previously, but harder. Today’s court has a ‘conservatives’ majority, how helpful has it been?

What we need is a ruler who isn’t afraid of flipping the table and changing the rules of the game. Pack the damn courts. Arrest judges who rule against you. Purge our enemies from government. I thought Trump was that man in 2016 but instead he governed like a normie con.
 
DocSolarisReich said:
Oh right, I forget. I’m talking to conservatives. Winning isn’t allowed, only losing gracefully.
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Ah yes, because the calling for people in the government who don't kowtow to herr führer to be immediately arrested or removed from their posts isn't a left wing, socialist, totalitarian viewpoint like it's been demonstrated in the last hundred years when any of them get into power. You socialist/communists are always the same.
 
Chaos Marine said:
Ah yes, because the calling for people in the government who don't kowtow to herr führer isn't a left wing, socialist, totalitarian viewpoint like it's been demonstrated in the last hundred years when any of them get into power. You socialist/communists are always the same.
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And this is why the 'swamp' will never be drained. Winning and actually exercising power is considered evil, something 'they' do.
 
Despite the GOP controlling *every* branch of government, the GOP president was unable to retract an executive order made by an out-of-office dem president due to the ruling of one federal court- not even the Supreme Court. The system in America is just that a democrat-majority district court and the whims of an ex-president is more powerful than a GOP president. When the shoe is on the other foot, of course, this is in not returned.

Is this a stable system?
 
Chaos Marine said:
Ah yes, because the calling for people in the government who don't kowtow to herr führer to be immediately arrested or removed from their posts isn't a left wing, socialist, totalitarian viewpoint like it's been demonstrated in the last hundred years when any of them get into power. You socialist/communists are always the same.
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So are you going to tell me tsarist Russia was a communist nation? They had a secret police and arrested people for sedition. What about Spain and its inquisition? Why do “conservatives” always call everything communism or socialism when it isn’t. If you don’t even know your enemies politics and who they are you will lose.
 
Chaos Marine said:
Ah yes, because the calling for people in the government who don't kowtow to herr führer to be immediately arrested or removed from their posts isn't a left wing, socialist, totalitarian viewpoint like it's been demonstrated in the last hundred years when any of them get into power. You socialist/communists are always the same.
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This is a pretty dumb take, all things considered.

Is Imperial Germany socialist now? How bout Franco’s Spain, or Pinochet’s regime? Tsarist Russia? How about most of the Middle East?

All Socialist regimes are authoritarian, but not all authoritarian regimes are socialist.

I also find the conservative movements reluctance to hit back at liberals disgustingly weak.

Why should we not use the very powers the enemy has given government against them?

Why should we not hurt them as much as we possibly can when we have power, when they have absolutely no hesitation or scruples about hurting us?
 
DocSolarisReich said:
And this is why the 'swamp' will never be drained. Winning and actually exercising power is considered evil, something 'they' do.
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You'll have to forgive me if I'm not the sort to want victory at any cost. A lot of democrats are discovering that voting for Biden and I'd rather not make the same mistake that they're making.

King Arts said:
So are you going to tell me tsarist Russia was a communist nation? They had a secret police and arrested people for sedition. What about Spain and its inquisition? Why do “conservatives” always call everything communism or socialism when it isn’t. If you don’t even know your enemies politics and who they are you will lose.
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Ah yes, because what's around today is so comparable to a monarchist government. Fantastic comparison there, mate.

StormEagle said:
This is a pretty dumb take, all things considered.

Is Imperial Germany socialist now? How bout Franco’s Spain, or Pinochet’s regime? Tsarist Russia? How about most of the Middle East?

All Socialist regimes are authoritarian, but not all authoritarian regimes are socialist.

I also find the conservative movements reluctance to hit back at liberals disgustingly weak.

Why should we not use the very powers the enemy has given government against them?

Why should we not hurt them as much as we possibly can when we have power, when they have absolutely no hesitation or scruples about hurting us?
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Quite possibly but as stated earlier, I'm not too eager to bloody my hands in the same way the left is.

Fascism and socialism/communism are two sides of the same coin. I couldn't give two flying fucks about the differences as both systems are either so loosely defined that any difference is academic at the best and completely irrelevant at most. The constant refrain of "True communism/socialism," has never been tried won't ever end as the system isn't really built to actually do what it says on the tin. It's to get some guy/party into power under the guise of representing the state/people but in essence allowing said guy/party to rule with an iron fist which is surprisingly similar to how fascism works as socialism/communism and fascism's main benefit is to have the state become everything and the people be enslaved to the state. Any notions of serving the state or the greater good is again, irrelevant.

Using the powers they may have implemented back at them would no doubt be carthartic but the problem continues, power rarely stays on one side or another. It goes to left and it goes to right with both sides trying to stack the deck in their favour, providing new tools for whoever gets in charge next till it's so convoluted that the only course of action available is a civil war and the whole thing either resets or comes crashing down.

Essentially my whole point can be boiled down to, I don't want to dirty my hands using their tactics. You're more than welcome to think otherwise and use their tactics if you like but you'll run the risk of being just as bad or potentially worse than they are.
 
Chaos Marine said:
You'll have to forgive me if I'm not the sort to want victory at any cost. A lot of democrats are discovering that voting for Biden and I'd rather not make the same mistake that they're making.
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I've seen a lot of democrats complaining that Biden is not implementing as far left goals as they wanted, or that he's not effectively implementing them, or that he's watering things down. Lot of complaining that he turned out to be establishment, basically (which lmao what did they expect???), but I don't think I've seen any complaining from democrats that he's going too far.

There's a lot of complaining I see about dems not getting $15 min wage through as quickly as possible, not a lot saying "maybe $10 would be more reasonable." And while the "where's my fucking money Joe?" stuff is bipartisan, it also broadly speaking fits into this paradigm. The only issue I've actually seen a democrat complain about him doing something rather than failure to do something is on the Keystone XL cancelation, but that's only from people directly hurt by cancelation.
 
Chaos Marine said:
Using the powers they may have implemented back at them would no doubt be carthartic but the problem continues, power rarely stays on one side or another. It goes to left and it goes to right with both sides trying to stack the deck in their favour, providing new tools for whoever gets in charge next till it's so convoluted that the only course of action available is a civil war and the whole thing either resets or comes crashing down.
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Also much of this is just obviously factually incorrect, although this train of the convo is also potentially off topic, so I'll put why it's obviously wrong in a new thread once I'm done with some stuff.
 
You can't be Christian and have knowingly voted for Biden like these people(I get that theres a lot of people that are low information voters and just hear "orange man bad/Hitler" from the TV) , unless the opposition was pro cannibalism, necrophila and whatever else and Biden was the "lesser evil". Not only that but Bidens side was/is the side enabling the trans agenda. Some people are really just blind.

Why would they think the Democrats would somehow do anything vaguely anti abortion when they are the ones pushing it and at best Republicans struggle to make any pushback against it?

I'm honestly disgusted and laughing at the same time to read that letter, its a pretty weird feeling.
 
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