Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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paulobrito
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And hardware alone doesn't win and tech alone doesn't win, etc. You need numbers, hardware, tech, information, and know-how (aka professional military with competent logistics behind) to win. And even then, the enemy has a vote.
The enemy has a vote. That is correct.
Only one of these two has most of this.
It isn't Russia.
But your right. The enemy always has a vote
AnimalNoodles
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Any military planner I know considers dug in troops a 'line of defense'.
Not sure why this seems off to you.
I'm sorry this is happening to you lol.
AnimalNoodles
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What is supposed to be happening to me?
I do confess to being outraged watching NATO 'advisors' force the Ukrainians to suffer thousands of dead to take a few tiny villages in the grey zone.
The first actual part of the surovikin line is a dozen Km south of Robotyne.
Then there are several more lines behind that..dragons teeth, trenchlines, minefields and pillboxes. It took Ukraine this long to take its tiny scraps in the areas with the least heavy defenses using a kind of slow motion human wave assault. Im not sure how they will deal with the first part of the surovikin line once they reach it.
If Surovikin had such great ideas that are totally stopping Ukrainian advance, why was he arrested?
Russian General Arrested Following Wagner Mutiny – MT Russian - The Moscow Times
Updated to include additional reports.
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Did Putin finally get to reading Patton?
It's surprising any advances have been made at all considering the 810th Guards Naval Infantry Brigade is defending that Axis. They're quite likely the best Marine unit in the Russian Navy and considered an elite formation in the already highly regarded Russian Naval Infantry.
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Even more surprising they're also being assisted by the 7th Guards Mountain Air Assault Division which recently had its Commander replaced last Month. Yet somehow still pushed back from their nightly impregnable defenses. Even under this new leadership they've suffered, first failing to defend Kherson last Autumn, now this.
Not to mention the 22nd Guards Spetsnaz Brigade, two Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade, two Airborne/VDV Brigades and over a dozen other brigade sized formations with a paper strength of over hundred thousand troops. Sad that they're either so hollow, either in number, competency or fighting spirit or combinations thereof. Can't be that hard to hold multiple impregnable defensive lines with elite Paratroopers, Special Forces, Marines and Guards Rifle Troops combined with a superiority in artillery and aerial supremacy.
Those NATO mercenaries must be very motivating in pushing these "slow motion human wave assaults" that are somehow managing even the smallest success.
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Even more surprising they're also being assisted by the 7th Guards Mountain Air Assault Division which recently had its Commander replaced last Month. Yet somehow still pushed back from their nightly impregnable defenses. Even under this new leadership they've suffered, first failing to defend Kherson last Autumn, now this.
Not to mention the 22nd Guards Spetsnaz Brigade, two Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade, two Airborne/VDV Brigades and over a dozen other brigade sized formations with a paper strength of over hundred thousand troops. Sad that they're either so hollow, either in number, competency or fighting spirit or combinations thereof. Can't be that hard to hold multiple impregnable defensive lines with elite Paratroopers, Special Forces, Marines and Guards Rifle Troops combined with a superiority in artillery and aerial supremacy.
Those NATO mercenaries must be very motivating in pushing these "slow motion human wave assaults" that are somehow managing even the smallest success.
strunkenwhite
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Then rejoice! This is not happening. Ukraine is acting according to the will of its own people, free of NATO coercion but in the face of Russian coercion.
AnimalNoodles
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Idiotic statement tbh. Just ask the Germans at Kursk how stupid fixed defenses are. Or the Ukrainians right now.If Surovikin had such great ideas that are totally stopping Ukrainian advance, why was he arrested?
Russian General Arrested Following Wagner Mutiny – MT Russian - The Moscow Times
Updated to include additional reports.
Did Putin finally get to reading Patton?
3 months of grisly grinding and for what? a tiny village they dont fully control yet.
Yeah, Patton didn't know shit, you're the military expert 🤣
The point is, no matter the fortifications, the army that holds them is, in the end, what has to stop the attacker. If destroyed, whether on the fortifications, or in funnier cases, elsewhere, they become a pointless investment. The town doesn't matter, where it is matters. They don't need to take much more territory to get fire control over the |land bridge" between Russian mainland and Crimea. The logistical implications of this fire control will far larger than the relatively small amount of territory that would be taken, especially when combined with the intense attacks on the Kerch bridge.
This article explains it with numbers:
Ukraine — Victory Is Closer Than You Think
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is making substantial progress. Russia’s generals will know this, even if the West doesn’t.
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I really don't think Ukrainians have been Zap Brannigan'ing it like the Russians did at Vuhledar, we would've seen a lot more shots of destroyed Ukrainian vehicles if that was the case and the Russians would be crowing about piles of bodies the same as they did with the Leopard tanks and Bradleys they knocked out in the first days of the offensive. As well the videos of the Ukrainians taking Robotyne showed the same small squads that the last months of videos have shown.
This war has gone from the high limit room to penny slots, little wagered and little gained or lost.
Chechen Forces desperately fending off a Slow Motion Ukrainian Human Wave Assault somewhere in Ukraine probably.
AnimalNoodles
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They are sending in nonstop attacks, a company at a time. One company gets chewed up, they send in another. One of the more cynical things they are doing is assaulting a trench and forcing the Russians to withdraw. Then they withdraw the assault unit and stick a unit of mobiks or territorials in the trench, because they know russian doctrine is pound the trench with artillery. The mobiks gets chewed up, but the trench is now unusable by the Russians.
Uh...
The Ukrainians themselves, the soldiers on the ground tell somewhat of the same story, except they still making gains.
Basically the trenches can often be destroyed by a 500 lb bomb
But the Russians arnt as cheeky as they think they are and the Ukrainians know what they do.
Ryan McBeth did a fact checking of Tucker Carlson's Interview with the Honorable Colonel Douglas MacGregor in regards to Ukraine. He gives the Colonel a lot of benefit of doubt during the fact checking to the point it could almost be a drinking game.
He starts off by pointing out two common fallacies that are exhibited in the Interview, including the Strawman Fallacy and Proof by Assertion/False Assertion Fallacy.
Some of the statements made in the interview that are fact checked.
4:15 - Tucker says that Ukraine is being destroyed in lobsided battles with a Russian technologically superior enemy,
5:55 - Tucker says that the most likely outcome is American troops will fight the Russians in Eastern Europe.
6:35 - States Ukraine has lost 400,000 Troops Killed.
9:05 - States entire Ukrainian platoons and companies are surrendering to the Russians due to massive numbers of wounded and because since the beginning of the War, Russians have treated Ukrainian prisoners very fairly.
10:15 - Russia has 300,000 Combat Troops Ready in Reserve to Counter when NATO/US Advances into Western Ukraine.
12:15 - "Our equipment is decades old. The tanks I served on in 1990 were virtually brand new, state of the art. Those tanks are still out there. They've been rebuilt but they're not new anymore. They're no longer as capable as they once were."
14:05 - Russians have no shortages on ammunition. The West cannot compete.
15:15 - Russian Integrated Air Defenses will knock everything flying out of the sky so to prevent the Russians from advancing, the US will resort to using tactical nuclear weapons.
16:25 - Russia attacked Ukraine to prevent the US from stationing nuclear missiles in Eastern Ukraine which could strike at Russia in a matter of minutes.
18:00 - The Russian military today is more powerful Russian military in 30-40, including the Soviet Army of the mid-1980's.
19:20 - The Russians pioneered the use of intelligence gathering via satellites and airpower combined with precision strikes weapons and are ahead of the West in both categories.
21:25 - The United States isn't getting new equipment to replace old equipment sent to Ukraine, it's just getting new old version equipment.
22:10 - Only some of the Western equipment is reaching Ukraine. Much of it is ending up in Kosovo Arms Bazaars and Mexican Drug/Human Trafficking Cartels including Javelins carried by cartel members openly.
23:55 - The US Can't Reinforce Europe because of Russia's Submarine Fleets.
25:30 - US Troops out of uniform are already fighting in Ukraine because they are getting combat pay.
26:05 - High Tech Startups are Pointless. AI is a waste because it's just better algorithms.
27:05 - Putin's Russia is an Orthodox Christian State with a Strong Russian Ethnic Identity, not a polyglot like the rest of Europe.
28:00 - Hawaiians have only received $700 dollars of aid while the Ukrainian black hole is getting billions in funds.
Original uncensored version on Substack.
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He starts off by pointing out two common fallacies that are exhibited in the Interview, including the Strawman Fallacy and Proof by Assertion/False Assertion Fallacy.
Some of the statements made in the interview that are fact checked.
4:15 - Tucker says that Ukraine is being destroyed in lobsided battles with a Russian technologically superior enemy,
5:55 - Tucker says that the most likely outcome is American troops will fight the Russians in Eastern Europe.
6:35 - States Ukraine has lost 400,000 Troops Killed.
9:05 - States entire Ukrainian platoons and companies are surrendering to the Russians due to massive numbers of wounded and because since the beginning of the War, Russians have treated Ukrainian prisoners very fairly.
10:15 - Russia has 300,000 Combat Troops Ready in Reserve to Counter when NATO/US Advances into Western Ukraine.
12:15 - "Our equipment is decades old. The tanks I served on in 1990 were virtually brand new, state of the art. Those tanks are still out there. They've been rebuilt but they're not new anymore. They're no longer as capable as they once were."
14:05 - Russians have no shortages on ammunition. The West cannot compete.
15:15 - Russian Integrated Air Defenses will knock everything flying out of the sky so to prevent the Russians from advancing, the US will resort to using tactical nuclear weapons.
16:25 - Russia attacked Ukraine to prevent the US from stationing nuclear missiles in Eastern Ukraine which could strike at Russia in a matter of minutes.
18:00 - The Russian military today is more powerful Russian military in 30-40, including the Soviet Army of the mid-1980's.
19:20 - The Russians pioneered the use of intelligence gathering via satellites and airpower combined with precision strikes weapons and are ahead of the West in both categories.
21:25 - The United States isn't getting new equipment to replace old equipment sent to Ukraine, it's just getting new old version equipment.
22:10 - Only some of the Western equipment is reaching Ukraine. Much of it is ending up in Kosovo Arms Bazaars and Mexican Drug/Human Trafficking Cartels including Javelins carried by cartel members openly.
23:55 - The US Can't Reinforce Europe because of Russia's Submarine Fleets.
25:30 - US Troops out of uniform are already fighting in Ukraine because they are getting combat pay.
26:05 - High Tech Startups are Pointless. AI is a waste because it's just better algorithms.
27:05 - Putin's Russia is an Orthodox Christian State with a Strong Russian Ethnic Identity, not a polyglot like the rest of Europe.
28:00 - Hawaiians have only received $700 dollars of aid while the Ukrainian black hole is getting billions in funds.
Original uncensored version on Substack.
(Original Version) Fact Checking the Tucker Carlson - Col MacGregor Interview
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LordsFire
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That's a hell of a fantasy world he's living in. Just a few things off the top of my head...
Russian AA can't keep the Ukrainians from flying, much less NATO.
US tanks may be modernized 80's designs, but the best Russian designs are barely that, with lower-quality modernization.
Russia is absolutely having ammunition shortages, as demonstrated by how much less they're firing than they were in the early months of the war.
The Russian submarine fleet doesn't stand a chance against NATO surface navies, much less our submarine fleets.
The Russian military is already a shadow of what it was two years ago, and there's little indication it's getting any better.
American/NATO military technology has been superior to Russian literally since WWII, and every bit of field performance history reflects this. One can meaningfully argue how much the difference is due to superior NATO training vs tech, but the performance gap is very real.
The only thing he's right about is the Hawaii vs Ukraine thing, with everything else, the biggest question on my mind is if the Russians are paying him for his blatant lies, or if he's just that deluded.
Russian AA can't keep the Ukrainians from flying, much less NATO.
US tanks may be modernized 80's designs, but the best Russian designs are barely that, with lower-quality modernization.
Russia is absolutely having ammunition shortages, as demonstrated by how much less they're firing than they were in the early months of the war.
The Russian submarine fleet doesn't stand a chance against NATO surface navies, much less our submarine fleets.
The Russian military is already a shadow of what it was two years ago, and there's little indication it's getting any better.
American/NATO military technology has been superior to Russian literally since WWII, and every bit of field performance history reflects this. One can meaningfully argue how much the difference is due to superior NATO training vs tech, but the performance gap is very real.
The only thing he's right about is the Hawaii vs Ukraine thing, with everything else, the biggest question on my mind is if the Russians are paying him for his blatant lies, or if he's just that deluded.