Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Megadeath]

Small problem about that 'Russia goes NK' and 'Russia turns irrelevant'.
They have a fuckton of raw resources, and without them, the world market is in very bad shape. Right now, you have a very small demonstration of that.
The US's ultimate plan has always been to defeat Russia and after that dismember it in small nations that can be easily controlled. Russia is too big, too rich (in natural resources), and too independent for the US to tolerate.

This war started long ago, first shots are at least in 2006 - the first time the US/NATO talked about including Ukraine in NATO - if not before when NATO started to advance eastwards.
February 24 of 2022 is just the endgame. Or not.

Lol... Cope harder. Russia are buying drones from Iran and ammo from fucking NK. Let's count how many other countries have to rely on those shit holes for their military power. Their much (self)vaunted mineral riches don't mean shit without either the capacity to extract them or the market to sell them.

 

[ATP]

And if the Russian army is defeated and Russia only has the nukes to defend itself? What do you think happens?
Is a very dangerous game that is played right now.

Played by who? who attacked in that war?
all Moscov need is retreat to ukrainian border.
Do not us responsible for fact that kgbstan started war,and now is loosing.

And - you are taking as if polish King again take Moscov.Which,for your information,do not happened.

And do not fear,they do not use nukes - becouse they would die then.
Those "heroes" could sacrifise others,including other soviets - but not their precious skins.

Small problem about that 'Russia goes NK' and 'Russia turns irrelevant'.
They have a fuckton of raw resources, and without them, the world market is in very bad shape. Right now, you have a very small demonstration of that.
The US's ultimate plan has always been to defeat Russia and after that dismember it in small nations that can be easily controlled. Russia is too big, too rich (in natural resources), and too independent for the US to tolerate.

This war started long ago, first shots are at least in 2006 - the first time the US/NATO talked about including Ukraine in NATO - if not before when NATO started to advance eastwards.
February 24 of 2022 is just the endgame. Or not.

1.kgbstan had China as example how develop economy - and,they not only decide to become oil station ,but also go on war against Ukraine.Their decisions,not USA.

2.they had resources - and state with two real cities which live from rest of country.Now,that rest of country could say "fuck Moscov and Petersburg" - and they would be right.

2B USA destroing Moscov? BWAHAHAHA.They always tried to save their skin,remember Bush Chicken speech in Kiev?
Even now they send only obsolate missiles and ammo,not even old tanks or planes.
And soviets are still loosing.

3.War started long ago,and kgbstan is defending themselves by invading other countries? carefully,according to that logic some bandits could attack you.

But - we are taking about kgb,so - it is still possible,that it is feint,and then hidden kgb army would take Warsaw tomorrow.
Or,that putin started war just to kill his army - they are only danger to his power which still remain.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Lol... Cope harder. Russia are buying drones from Iran and ammo from fucking NK. Let's count how many other countries have to rely on those shit holes for their military power. Their much (self)vaunted mineral riches don't mean shit without either the capacity to extract them or the market to sell them.

Iran and North Korea have a moral responsibility to stop sending Russia military aid and prolonging this war artificially. It's like they want to fight to the last Russian or something.

 

[Tiamat]

 

[paulobrito]

Lol... Cope harder. Russia are buying drones from Iran and ammo from fucking NK. Let's count how many other countries have to rely on those shit holes for their military power. Their much (self)vaunted mineral riches don't mean shit without either the capacity to extract them or the market to sell them.

You don't know what raw resources are i see. I'm not talking about military hardware.

 

[Tiamat]

I meant to reply to this earlier. I would hesitate to go so far that the front is "collapsing". The Ukrainians, as @Carrot of Truth alluded to, have to be mindful of their supply lines and not overextend themselves, and fortify the ground they've taken.

That said, the past 48 hours have not been good for the Russians. There was a lot of hype and emphasis, perhaps deliberately by the Ukrainians on the Kherson offensive, which was foreseen for at least a month and hence the Russians seemed to shift some focus there. The problem is once those main bridges across the Dnieper get shelled and blow, ditto for the pontoons and ferries, it gets harder to supply and more importantly, shift those forces away from the west side of the bank while the Ukrainians launched the offensive in the north. Kherson is still a hard slog for the Ukrainians and they've take casualties, but what's happened here in the past several days? The Russians are on the defensive after a 6+ month campaign that was originally supposed to not have lasted more than a few weeks.

And in retrospect, I will admit, I WAS WRONG...









The Russians collapsed faster in this area than an old lady on Nyquil. Who would have guessed??

 

[ATP]

You don't know what raw resources are i see. I'm not talking about military hardware.

He said :
Their much (self)vaunted mineral riches don't mean shit without either the capacity to extract them or the market to sell them.

And,even China do not need Moscov,only their raw resources.
Kazachstan is showing Moscov fuck,becouse China support them - the same country which one hold part of Siberia.
Now,they could attack Moscov instead of Taiwan,after putin showed what his army is worth.

P.S of course,we are taking about kgb - so,they could have hidden super army or started this war only to kill existing army.
But,when/if their power collapse,we would see hunting all fsb officers and their agents.

 

[Zachowon]

@Chiron and @History Learner
So uh.
When that Ukrainian collapse?

 

[Zachowon]

You don't know what raw resources are i see. I'm not talking about military hardware.

Few will buy them giving them little money.

And Russia will not go nuclear because it would be literal suicide

 

[Sailor.X]

Yeah... But just imagine if they were up against NATO themselves? If the weapons NATO can afford to give away and some technical support can allow Ukraine to straight up beat Russia, imagine how much worse they'd have done against a multinational alliance, using all their best stuff in relatively huge numbers, trained to a much greater degree and designed to work together, with extensive and deep planning for just such an eventuality.

It would be like the If not for the Grace of God episode of Stargate SG1. The one set in a parallel dimension where the Goa'uld were beating the ever loving crap out of the Earth's militaries. It would be the same exact thing.

 

[Sailor.X]

Aaaaaaany day now, just you wait... Aaaaany day...

 

[paulobrito]

Few will buy them giving them little money.

And Russia will not go nuclear because it would be literal suicide

I see that you know jack shit about how the economy works. FYI right now, the US still continues to buy billions of dollars of Russian resources. Even with the sanctions in effect. Titanium, Iodo, Fertelizers, etc, etc.

 

[Agent23]

Few will buy them giving them little money.

And Russia will not go nuclear because it would be literal suicide

Yeah, few, like China and India, a few BILLION!
Also, Europe is quietly buying oil and gas from those two countries.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Looks like I typed this up but forgot to post it: "Sure, if NATO actually attacked Russia then Russia would be saved by the threat of its nukes, or else WWIII gets the bad ending if NATO doesn't listen. But the point is the armed forces have nothing but the nukes to save them. Russia's reputation that, as the inheritor to the Soviet army, their conventional forces are to be respected has been exposed as fantasy."

Even now they send only obsolate missiles and ammo,not even old tanks or planes.

Only obsolete? Wasn't it confirmed that Ukraine is now using the same artillery as the USA with (sometimes) the most advanced available ammunition?

And as for tanks, the USA is sending them old tanks indirectly, unless you think all the countries that are getting tanks from the USA and sending their Soviet stuff to Ukraine would have done the latter even without getting replacements.

Small problem about that 'Russia goes NK' and 'Russia turns irrelevant'.
They have a fuckton of raw resources, and without them, the world market is in very bad shape. Right now, you have a very small demonstration of that.
The US's ultimate plan has always been to defeat Russia and after that dismember it in small nations that can be easily controlled. Russia is too big, too rich (in natural resources), and too independent for the US to tolerate.

Yeah, few, like China and India, a few BILLION!
Also, Europe is quietly buying oil and gas from those two countries.

Paulobrito, I see you liked this post. So let's look outside the frame of the picture you're painting. The West wants to isolate Russia and neuter its influence. But Russia has a lot of resources. Specifically it has resources that China and India refuse to live without. So let's say China and India keep on trading with Russia. Let's even say that the West continues to use resources ultimately sourced from Russia, but obtained through these two proxies.

But what is the result of this? The West can still push Russia back to its own borders. (And stop there. That is what the nukes are for, not "defending ethnic Russians" in other countries.) All the other countries that Russia has historically pushed around can be immune to its influence. China and India are too big for Russia to push around.

What, really, is the difference between Russia and NK in this scenario? That they don't depend on food imports? Wow.

Russia, in this scenario, doesn't have to be "dismembered in small nations" to be "easily controlled". They'll have backed themselves into a corner that lets two nations that each have more than ten times their population babysit them. The West doesn't even have to bother doing the controlling!

 

[Marduk]

Ukraine (before this) - against a force not supported by NATO

An army organizationally, culturally and politically modeled on Russian one at that. While being even poorer and smaller. Of course under Yanukovych serious preparations for a defensive war against Russia would be kinda hard to imagine. That only happened afterwards.
Who would they be preparing for a war against anyway?
So obviously it was an unprepared, horribly underfunded army. Basically similar issues as Germans having to put brooms on tanks for exercises instead of machineguns, but taken up to eleven.

 

[paulobrito]

The point is that before this war, Russia (like all the NATO/US wars in the last 30 years) has only fought against much weaker opponents.

This war is like not a single one in recent history - for all purposes, is a real war between two peer-level forces (the NATO support/training/financing/etc elevates Ukraine a lot) done on a very wide front.

That the Russian forces are found lacking is no surprise - maybe the level of lacking. But, if you put anyone in this kind of fight, you also see weakness/problems on any side.

If this is only Ukraine alone against Russia, the fight terminated long ago with a victory for Russia, don't have any illusions.

 

[Tiamat]

Video posted by Denis Dushilin, head of "Donetsk People's Republic" separatists - 10th SEPTEMBER 2022

From the looks of that video, I'm willing to guess he's in a car getting the hell out of the region and to Russia.

 

[Zachowon]

I see that you know jack shit about how the economy works. FYI right now, the US still continues to buy billions of dollars of Russian resources. Even with the sanctions in effect. Titanium, Iodo, Fertelizers, etc, etc.

Uh...
And yet why are they having issues making so many domestic things?
Why is thier economy hurting?
They have two countries rhat supply them money, one is China, the other India.
Hell, India may be pushed away from Russia after this especially if China becomes prominent.

Russia would basically just be surviving off of those things and be utterly unable to do anything.


Breaks down how the economy war works

 

[paulobrito]

Oh right...
If I get a euro or dollar for every report/video/study that predicts that Russia is going to collapse any time now in the last 30 years, I'm very rich indeed.

 

[Vaermina]

@Chiron and @History Learner
So uh.
When that Ukrainian collapse?

Chiron hasn't been seen since May 17th.