Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Husky_Khan]

We are now 'open' to selling/giving Ukraine A-10s.

They probably won't see the end of the war there, but they can definitely go out doing what they were meant to do, blasting the fuck out of Russian tank columns and artillery units.

F-16's Would be More Useful if We're Going to Give them new jet aircraft IMHO. It'll take months to train pilots on new planes and F-16s are more versatile and we got hundreds of them as do NATO allies.

A-10's are fine but it wouldn't be a priority compared to other aircraft. Sure they could replace Su-25's but it'll be using missiles and rockets, not it's cool gun in a vast majority of the time.

 

[Doomsought]

The A-10 is also a gunship rather than a fighter, and won't work to its full potential if you try to use it light a fighter.

 

[Marduk]

And also rather not having the world "burned"

You're saying it as if Poland was the West's Iran or the only country in the world immune to nukes. The fact is that if you back down from anything on account of Russia's recently spammed nuclear threats, Russia will notice, and Russia will know what to do every time they ever wish to get something from you. It's not like these threats cost them anything.

either literally or metaphorically because of distrust and past grievances the Polish rightfully have against the Russian state.

>distrust and past grievances
Considering the last 5 months, i think this distrust deserves be considered as more than just some Polish historical baggage of biases.

If you want to fuck with the Russia on the side of the ones who smear us for having the wrong opinion ( like against groomers, vax and so on) well, be my guest.

Reminder that the central country of this, Ukraine, doesn't even have gay marriage, nevermind groomer protection, and neither does its most involved ally from NATO, Poland. But somehow the choice of sides here has to be about the internal politics more remote western countries giving some aid like Canada, letting those define what the side is all about. Talk about being self-centered...

 

[WolfBear]

Reminder that the central country of this, Ukraine, doesn't even have gay marriage, nevermind groomer protection, and neither does its most involved ally from NATO, Poland. But somehow the choice of sides here has to be about the internal politics more remote western countries giving some aid like Canada, letting those define what the side is all about. Talk about being self-centered...

Let's be real here, Putin is gayer than you think lol:

 

[Marduk]

F-16's Would be More Useful if We're Going to Give them new jet aircraft IMHO. It'll take months to train pilots on new planes and F-16s are more versatile and we got hundreds of them as do NATO allies.

A-10's are fine but it wouldn't be a priority compared to other aircraft. Sure they could replace Su-25's but it'll be using missiles and rockets, not it's cool gun in a vast majority of the time.

We are now 'open' to selling/giving Ukraine A-10s.

They probably won't see the end of the war there, but they can definitely go out doing what they were meant to do, blasting the fuck out of Russian tank columns and artillery units.

Certainly no worse than the Su-25's they are using.
The modernized C variants may be a somewhat better with their better avionics, fire control and so on, but will take time to train pilots.
On the other hand there is the possibility of "sneaking" some nifty hardware and munitions with A-10 as a platform that may let it have a disproportionate impact. Like modern ECM and targeting pods which they can carry, Mavericks, or guided bombs of types suitable for low altitude "toss bombing". This kind of equipment is something that Ukraine has equivalents for Su-25 in minimal quantities at best, if any at this point.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Ukrop-Facist website I accidentally found while searching for a supposed "kill list" the Ukrops had compiled.

Some absolutely sick stuff. Like Josef Mengele level sick.

Front page had an image of different Russia POWs, all dead, many bearing torture marks.

If you support these sick fuckers in any way, then you are damned to hell with them.

Spoiler: Warning: Very Graphic and Very Disturbing

Миротворец - Центр исследования признаков преступлений против национальной безопасности Украины, мира, безопасности человечества и международного правопорядка (myrotvorets.center)

EDIT: it gets worse. I found the kill list and it stretches on for digital miles. Essentially a mass doxing site of anyone the Ukrop fascists consider an enemy, including their own politicans, as I discovered after type in the names of a few opposition politicians. I'll check again in a few days to see if the stooges that the cokehead of kiev accuses of treason appear on the list.

Ukraine has descended in complete and total Nazism of the sickest variety. Thus, I consider anyone supporting them to a Nazi and a Fascist, and thus an enemy of humankind.

 

[Zachowon]

Ukrop-Facist website I accidentally found while searching for a supposed "kill list" the Ukrops had compiled.

Some absolutely sick stuff. Like Josef Mengele level sick.

Front page had an image of different Russia POWs, all dead, many bearing torture marks.

If you support these sick fuckers in any way, then you are damned to hell with them.

Spoiler: Warning: Very Graphic and Very Disturbing

Миротворец - Центр исследования признаков преступлений против национальной безопасности Украины, мира, безопасности человечества и международного правопорядка (myrotvorets.center)

I mean...okay? Cool?
I am in a discord that literally constantly shows both sides dead and footage of it.

The Russians are invading a country. Hell, you act like this is a horrible thing yet I have seen you wanting such a thing to happen in Canada.

Still better then what the Ruskies have done.
Much much MUCH better.
Because no Ukrainian raped a 10 year old girl and killed her after....


Edit: you are literally supporting an invading army that has high ranking people that are legit Nazis.
You are supporting a group that has committed some of the kost recent war crimes of large magnitude.

Obviously Ukraine are the Nazis....
Yet why are there so many Mazi symbols and nazi tats in the Russian military?

 

[Marduk]

Ukrop-Facist website I accidentally found while searching for a supposed "kill list" the Ukrops had compiled.

Some absolutely sick stuff. Like Josef Mengele level sick.

Front page had an image of different Russia POWs, all dead, many bearing torture marks.

If you support these sick fuckers in any way, then you are damned to hell with them.

Where does it say these are POWs? Looks like combat dead, as you can see from a some of them having clothing damage clearly showing severe fire\explosive effects of a scale unlikely to be survivable. 3\10 Pallywood attempt. Unless you think the new ultra-savage torture technique used by those evil NATO puppets is shooting artillery at enemy soldiers.
How could they... They just wanted to take over their country and send them to gulag filtration camp.

EDIT: it gets worse. I found the kill list and it stretches on for digital miles. Essentially a mass doxing site of anyone the Ukrop fascists consider an enemy, including their own politicans, as I discovered after type in the names of a few opposition politicians. I'll check again in a few days to see if the stooges that the cokehead of kiev accuses of treason appear on the list.

A country being invaded wants to actually kill the invaders in question and traitors who help them, how shocking! I know that you're from Canada, where "if you kill your enemies, they win" is dear leader's word and Demolition Man is an aspirational movie, but come on, understand that in the rest of the world people are much less progressive than that.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, if the US was invaded a lot worse websites would exist.

 

[WolfBear]

Why exactly would the Azov Battalion murder this boy's parents for supporting Russia when this boy himself is pro-Ukrainian? :

Anatoly Karlin (@powerfultakes)

Political allegiances are one thing, but this kid is a genuine scumbag and Pavlik Morozov. In the highly improbably event his fantasies come true and Ukraine takes back Mariupol, he just placed his own parents on the Azov hit lists.

nitter.1d4.us

Anatoly Karlin (@powerfultakes)

What's actually most remarkable here is how this aspiring Pavlik Morozov is painting a target on his parents' backs. https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/1549396408687542275 Given Mariupol is a former Azov outpost, and Azov's record, this is an abominable act independent of political sympathies.

nitter.1d4.us

It's entirely reasonable to believe that Ukrainian citizens who misguidedly support Russia should NOT be murdered. I thus suspect that this is simply empty Russian scaremongering.

 

[WolfBear]

An interesting old article about why the Donbass uprising has not spread to other parts of Ukraine before Russia's 2022 invasion:

The Economics of Rebellion in Eastern Ukraine

New research demonstrates why the conflict has not spread beyond Donetsk and Luhansk In April 2014, angry mobs and armed men stormed administrative

www.atlanticcouncil.org

 

[Doomsought]

It's entirely reasonable to believe that Ukrainian citizens who misguidedly support Russia should NOT be murdered. I thus suspect that this is simply empty Russian scaremongering.

Do you know what Treason is?

 

[WolfBear]

Do you know what Treason is?

I would not consider merely expressing support for an enemy regime without engaging in actual significant collaboration to be treason. And even for actual collaborators, not all of them were actually hanged after the end of World War II. Not in Western Europe, at least. Especially not the small fish. They got several years in jail, most likely. Certainly not murdered.

 

[Tiamat]

Ukrop-Facist website I accidentally found while searching for a supposed "kill list" the Ukrops had compiled.

Some absolutely sick stuff. Like Josef Mengele level sick.

Front page had an image of different Russia POWs, all dead, many bearing torture marks.

If you support these sick fuckers in any way, then you are damned to hell with them.

Spoiler: Warning: Very Graphic and Very Disturbing

Миротворец - Центр исследования признаков преступлений против национальной безопасности Украины, мира, безопасности человечества и международного правопорядка (myrotvorets.center)

EDIT: it gets worse. I found the kill list and it stretches on for digital miles. Essentially a mass doxing site of anyone the Ukrop fascists consider an enemy, including their own politicans, as I discovered after type in the names of a few opposition politicians. I'll check again in a few days to see if the stooges that the cokehead of kiev accuses of treason appear on the list.

Ukraine has descended in complete and total Nazism of the sickest variety. Thus, I consider anyone supporting them to a Nazi and a Fascist, and thus an enemy of humankind.

"Raises hand" Hey, Nazi, Fascist and enemy of Humankind over here buddy, at least going by your special "logic". By that same "logic" pretty sure it would cover at least half the board here too.

@Marduk and @Zachowon pretty much said it for me, so I won't say much more, other than I'm surprised you're suddenly trying to act moral when you were the one laughing over Ukrainians getting burned, mangled, slaughtered, etc., comparing them as an ethnicity to be lower than pigs, etc. That is, when you weren't constantly ranting about your conspiracy BS nonsense.

I mean, REALLY, images of dead corpses! Shouldn't you be fapping off to this as you seem wont to do?

 

[Batrix2070]

"Raises hand" Hey, Nazi, Fascist and enemy of Humankind over here buddy, at least going by your special "logic". By that same "logic" pretty sure it would cover at least half the board here too.

To quote the Good Book. Our fucked up Canadian (yes I know strange, after all these are synomines) suffers from:
(Matt. 7:3-5): And why dost thou see the speck in thy brother's eye, but the beam in thine own eye? Or how shall you say to your brother: Let me take the speck out of your eye, and behold, the beam is in your eye? Hypocrite, take the beam out of thine own eye first, and then thou shalt see through to take the speck out of thy brother's eye.

 

[Batrix2070]

I rather you guys not poke the fucking bear.

Forgive me, but the average Pole knows that this bear does not need to be poked, he is looking for a hook himself.
He needs to be chased with a stick when he stretches out his paws for things that are not his own.
Russia, or, as I prefer more, Moscow from the very beginning of its existence has always pushed ahead and occupied more territories because it wanted to, only solid blow to the face, made her stop

It's not a sleeping Bear that everyone keeps accosting, it's a Bear that packs its own snout into the hive for honey. Without exception, all of Russia's neighbors are holding a thick stick to whack it when it starts trying to expand.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Forgive me, but the average Pole knows that this bear does not need to be poked, he is looking for a hook himself.
He needs to be chased with a stick when he stretches out his paws for things that are not his own.
Russia, or, as I prefer more, Moscow from the very beginning of its existence has always pushed ahead and occupied more territories because it wanted to, only solid blow to the face, made her stop

It's not a sleeping Bear that everyone keeps accosting, it's a Bear that packs its own snout into the hive for honey. Without exception, all of Russia's neighbors are holding a thick stick to whack it when it starts trying to expand.

Since other people exist beyond Bug and Odra rivers I rather Polska not use the stick , since that would mean Mediterrean Europe would be dragged into the fire with you.

But if you really wanna go murder-suicide or freeze in the cold (or both) do it on your own with the Baltics and the Ukraine since you guys are so eager to make Russia pay, pay with your own skin and blood.

 

[Batrix2070]

Since other people exist beyond Bug and Odra rivers I rather Polska not use the stick , since that would mean Mediterrean Europe would be dragged into the fire with you.

But if you really wanna go murder-suicide or freeze in the cold (or both) do it on your own with the Baltics and the Ukraine since you guys are so eager to make Russia pay, pay with your own skin and blood.

Man, what in the phrase, they pack up where no one wants them don't you understand? What do you think we should do? Huh? They consider any action they don't agree with to be a provocation.

If you shit on NATO so much and are afraid of Russia then why don't you just get out of NATO? Then Russia will spare you pain and suffering. We are the ones who need NATO as you can see, you don't need it very much anymore.

Anyway, there is nothing to be afraid of nukes, Putin wants a great Russia, not a pile of rubble among which he will be dead. He is not a fanatic devoted to the unrealistic idea of some kind of communism.

 

[Marduk]

Since other people exist beyond Bug and Odra rivers I rather Polska not use the stick , since that would mean Mediterrean Europe would be dragged into the fire with you.

But if you really wanna go murder-suicide or freeze in the cold (or both) do it on your own with the Baltics and the Ukraine since you guys are so eager to make Russia pay, pay with your own skin and blood.

What's with the scaremongering? If you're from Southern Europe, how the fuck are you panicking about freezing in the cold more than Poles or even Scandinavians? Got dragged by econuts into Putin trust based gas heating or what?

 

[BlackDragon98]

Forgive me, but the average Pole knows that this bear does not need to be poked, he is looking for a hook himself.
He needs to be chased with a stick when he stretches out his paws for things that are not his own.
Russia, or, as I prefer more, Moscow from the very beginning of its existence has always pushed ahead and occupied more territories because it wanted to, only solid blow to the face, made her stop

It's not a sleeping Bear that everyone keeps accosting, it's a Bear that packs its own snout into the hive for honey. Without exception, all of Russia's neighbors are holding a thick stick to whack it when it starts trying to expand.

No, Poland and the rest of NATO provoked this war. Russia gave them several chances to stop or back down. NATO proceeds to spit in their faces.

When Ramzan fulfills his promises and marches down Warsaw like the old days, I will laugh. For Ramzan is a guy who keeps his promises.

Europe is out of military gear, out of gas, and out of time.

The end of the American puppetism in Europe is near.

And with it, the end of globo homo, the WEF, and the twisted, sick monstrosity that is now the EU.

EDIT: This will be my final post here for some time. Just remember this: TIME WILL TELL.