Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[TheRejectionist]

Ok, and....? Even if that's all true, which maybe it is, that doesn't translate to "therefore, the US actually lost afganistan and iraq".

You guys did. And tails between your legs with that.

 

[TheRejectionist]

In the meantime...

 

[Battlegrinder]

I mean that we lost there isn’t up for debate. You can say it was a political failure, but in the end it doesn’t matter whether the failure was from the generals, or the politicians a defeat is a defeat.

Well, if people are arguing that the US would lose a military conflict with Russia and pointing to the middle east as proof, it does actually matter if the middle east provides any evidence to that and if the problem there was a military one.

Since if it wasn't, this is akin to suggesting we'd easily win a war against Russia, after all we just beat them in Beijing.

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

Russian's being forced to go to the Toyota-War doctrine, because their losses have been so bad.

For someone who claims to wanna advise “the right” on performing better you sure do like credulously repeating every goofball twitter proclamation and dated meme format post with no context.

 

[planefag]

So, what does that lead me to believe?
Maybe that your leadership is corrupt, and stupid, and it runs your military in a way where their profits, not its efficiency, are concerned.

And despite all that, you never saw American troops running out of ammo, fuel, and food not 100km away from their own fucking borders.

Wonder what that says about Russian leadership?

 

[bintananth]

Russian casualties are mounting as filthy, tired Russian and rebel soldiers feel the cold sapping their strength. Morale is plummeting.

You've got to be joking about the cold. It's actually warmer in Kyiv right now (49F) than what it was at the same time yesterday in Indianapolis (24F*).

* Yes, I actually looked that up.

 

[Agent23]

Not happening.

Ukraine may be able to get EU membership, but I expect any deal will include wording that keeps Ukraine out of NATO permanently.

Their primary goal was always EU membership, the general populace thinks that joining the EU will send unicorn shitting rainbows flying through the sky, corruption will disappear, and suddenly everyone will be making 5k Euros a month.

The oligarchs and the corrupt officials just want to stick their snouts into the EU trough.

Ukraine would be the largest and worst shithole the EU has faced, and it is getting shittier and less desirable by the day, keeping them out of the EU is highly preferable.

 

[Sailor.X]

You've got to be joking about the cold. It's actually warmer in Kyiv right now (49F) than what it was at the same time yesterday in Indianapolis (24F*).

* Yes, I actually looked that up.

If you are wet at 49 degrees you can suffer hypothermia. Every Sailor that serves in Boat Units can tell you that.

 

[bintananth]

If you are wet at 49 degrees you can suffer hypothermia. Every Sailor that serves in Boat Units can tell you that.

49F is what I call "yes please" for this time of year because it was snowing Saturday.

 

[bintananth]

And despite all that, you never saw American troops running out of ammo, fuel, and food not 100km away from their own fucking borders.

Wonder what that says about Russian leadership?

One thing the US does superbly is logistics. The front line isn't just adaqetely supplied. It's oversupplied to the point where a retreat means we are leaving lots of useful things behind.

 

[Chiron]

If the US couldn't suppress Serbian air defenses back then the Russians aren't being dumb now by being cautious when they have much less to work with in terms of an ariel advantage.

The Serbians managed to track and shoot down an F-117 - which was practically invisible to then-modern radar and an aerodynamic abomination - using an obsolesent SAM system.

Heck, the Swedes were able track and target SR-71s. They even managed to get a missile lock once.

Not only that, but Serbian Airforce survived intact and conducted 300 sorties in support of its ground troops. The Ground Forces were barely touched by the bombings. And the Serbian Airforce inflicted massive virtual attrition on the NATO forces, causing most pilots to dump ordinance and evade. Also the Serbians shot down a lot of NATO drones as well.

If Milosevic had kept his nerve, NATO would have run out of bombs and serviceable aircraft and been forced to pause the bombings in just a few more days.

Since @LTR will likely kick this here, I will save her some work.






The audit of Oryx's work continues by an actual US Combat Veteran who didn't drink the Kool-Aid.

And given Oryx himself came at him, he is even more determined. This is a man who takes war seriously, and doesn't buy the shit the US military brass is selling.

 

[Chiron]

And despite all that, you never saw American troops running out of ammo, fuel, and food not 100km away from their own fucking borders.

Wonder what that says about Russian leadership?

Yet the Russians keep up massive artillery barrages and troop movements on all fronts engaged. Sorry but your narrative does not hold up under scrutiny. Especially when the UkA is requisitioning civilian vehicles to move supplies around and can't feed their own people because the transport network and fuel depots are blown. Whatever fuel UkA gets in, is coming via Poland in tanker trucks and whatever they siphon off from civilian vehicles. And Europe only has 38 days of diesel stock and faces a gas cutoff if they don't pay for Russian Gas in Rubles on the 31st.

So the ones who are fucked logistically is actually the Ukrainians.

 

[Zachowon]

49F is what I call "yes please" for this time of year because it was snowing Saturday.

Have you been soaked in mud and water for days on end wothout changing clothes in 49 degrees?

 

[Zachowon]

Ahem.

The Russian Air campaign is the worst air campaign wr have ever seen in modern times.

Because unlike NATO, who has EW aircraft thay can make SEAD very easy, the Russians dont seem to have the same capabilities.

If you are wondering what I mean look up the Growler.

Add on that. The US has waged some of the largest air campaigns in modern history with less losses over longer periods of time shows how good they are.

Now if we look at the total picture.

One could argue Russia probably saw Ukraine's military as we did Iraq in 03.

Only for them tk have a larger population and more people who are willing to fight instead if retreat.

The US has shown it can win every battle it gets in in modern history, ir most of them. Russia hasn't even won most if thier battles in this war.

Without AS Russian troops are basically blind. Because Ruskie intelligence seems to make even the worst NATO country look like a master piece of intelligence gathering.

There are plenty if people who would have made diffrent calls with better Intel.


The Ruskies have dine horrible and have shown those if us who thought they were powerful...we were wrong.

 

[bintananth]

Have you been soaked in mud and water for days on end wothout changing clothes in 49 degrees?

Try much colder. I've been stranded in a car without heat during a snowstorm when it was -2F.

49F is shorts and t-shirt weather.

 

[Agent23]

Try much colder. I've been stranded in a car without heat during a snowstorm when it was -2F.

49F is shorts and t-shirt weather.

-2F(Comes to -18 C), pfeh, we have had below -20C here like at lest 3 times for the past 15 years, and we are a lot more south-west than Ukraine, and all those cold fronts that bring in such nice cold weather usually come from Siberia.

Some kind of anti-ukrainian resistance movement in Odessa published a call to arms.

Ukraine is basically a frankenstein's monster brought together by the Germans and the Commies, it was a de fact dualistic state with two major languages, not one, and a bunch of other, smaller and repressed ethnic groups that came in with territory acquisitions from neighboring countries, the place has existed as an actual "autonomous" country for less than 32 years, so it is likely that the Russian intervention and the eonomic damage, and the incompetence and brutality of the nationalists will turn a lot more regions against them, and a bunch of "Russian-speakers" will once again start identifying themselves as Russians.

 

[bintananth]

-2F(Comes to -18 C), pfeh, we have had below -20C here like at lest 3 times for the past 15 years, and we are a lot more sooth-west than Ukraine, and all those cold fronts that bring in such nice cold weather usually come from Siberia.

Which means that Russians shouldn't be bitching about nice warm spring weather.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Ahem.

The Russian Air campaign is the worst air campaign wr have ever seen in modern times.

Because unlike NATO, who has EW aircraft thay can make SEAD very easy, the Russians dont seem to have the same capabilities.

If you are wondering what I mean look up the Growler.

Add on that. The US has waged some of the largest air campaigns in modern history with less losses over longer periods of time shows how good they are.

Now if we look at the total picture.

One could argue Russia probably saw Ukraine's military as we did Iraq in 03.

Only for them tk have a larger population and more people who are willing to fight instead if retreat.

The US has shown it can win every battle it gets in in modern history, ir most of them. Russia hasn't even won most if thier battles in this war.

Without AS Russian troops are basically blind. Because Ruskie intelligence seems to make even the worst NATO country look like a master piece of intelligence gathering.

There are plenty if people who would have made diffrent calls with better Intel.


The Ruskies have dine horrible and have shown those if us who thought they were powerful...we were wrong.

Winning every battle?

You financed a coup in Egypt in 1952 and the putschits took your money and told you to go to hell after that.

You couldn't win against Communist rice farmers in North Korea and China, two backwater nations.

You couldn't keep South Vietnam out of North Vietnam's hands, a backwater nations.

Your puppet in Cambodia lost to genocidal forest and countryside dwellers.

You bombed the hell out of Laos and you still lost.

You went to Lebannon and had to get out for pressure at the homefront.

It took you 24 years for your side to sign a peace accord in a genocidal war in Guatemala.

You demolished Iraq's Saddam and now they are closer to Iran.

Your worst enemy was hiding in Pakistan, and the fight still went on in Afghanistan after you killed him and you went running tail between your legs, showing you guys are very comfortable at being thrown under the bus for a potato head.

You tried to regime change in Syria with the Saudis and other totalitarian theocratic parasites and you miserably failed only holding certain parts of the country. And they are closer to Iran and Russia now.

Meanwhile Russia is confronting a 40 million nation with at least twenty nation backing them.

You managed to loose EVEN against third world countries.

 

[Zachowon]

Try much colder. I've been stranded in a car without heat during a snowstorm when it was -2F.

49F is shorts and t-shirt weather.

Were you soaked in mud and facing hyperthermia because if cold limbs from water?
Being stuck in a snowdtorm is not the same

 

[bintananth]

Were you soaked in mud and facing hyperthermia because if cold limbs from water?
Being stuck in a snowdtorm is not the same

I had frostbite and almost lost two toes.