Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Agent23]

I think he is Russian or from the balkans many countries in which tend to favor the Russian side on these matters.

Yeah,I am from the Balkans, I never hid that!

 

[Agent23]

And to cleanse the palate...

Is it just me or do Abigail Shapiro's milkers actually get bigger and bigger as time passes, pretty soon they will have their own gravitational pull and satellites.

 

[GoldRanger]

Russia = Israel, Donbass + Crimea = Israeli settlers, Ukraine = Palestinians. Good analogy. I thought of it yesterday. With the notable exception that the religion difference is much, much less pronounced in Russia vs. Ukraine than in Israel vs. Palestine.

Um, no.

 

[Agent23]

It's from Bulgaria, by chance I managed to hit where it's from the first time.
And they rather have a positive attitude towards Russia, hell if I remember correctly it was the Ruskies who liberated them from the Sultan's boot.

Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878)

That doesn't mean the Russians didn't screw us over a few times.
Starting from the Xth century, during the Balkan wars, during WWI they kinda tried to invade us but we yeeted them out!
And don't get me started on what the USSR did post-WWII.

TL;DR we probably see Russia the same way Poles see the Pope, although historically the relationship between us and them was more like Britain and the USA.
They got their alphabet and a number of important pieces of Orthodox church procedure, the whole Church slavonic religious rites thing, from us, we also had a short-lived alliance against Constantinople after the Russians did a heel face turn.
When we were still pagans we spoke with both the Papists and the Orthodox church, the Pope had less influence, was farther away and was willing to guarantee us less autonomy.
Also Rome was too far away for us to go over there and beat him up so as to make him give us full church autonomy as we did under Simeon I, and relations with Byzantium were more important.
No regrets and no apologies, deal with it!

 

[Agent23]

Utterly irrelevant, you did actually lose some battles, and the Taliban are still holding the country and laughing.

A little humility, self-reflection, and with less jingoism please. At the end of the day, we tax payers decide if you even have a job, and if you can't win wars, why should we continue to pay your salaries as oppose to firing you and finding someone who can win a war?

Sir, you have won the interenet this day!

 

[PsihoKekec]

Serbia was the mistake of god.

Nah, they are just misunderstood people. When it comes to comedy movies, only Brits come ahead of them. And ''remove kebab'' meme was a gift from god.

Also, apperetnly Azov has been wiped out

They just posted ID of it's killed commander

I guess he won't be getting away with his crimes anymore.

 

[Agent23]

Nah, they are just misunderstood people. When it comes to comedy movies, only Brits come ahead of them. And ''remove kebab'' meme was a gift from god.

Don't forget Laser Eyes.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

This thread has the best title.

 

[Agent23]

This thread has the best title.

Great shitposting, too!

 

[Chiron]

Some perspective again:

Ukraine is roughly the size of Texas.

Iraq is roughly the size of California.

Baghdad was 500km from US start lines and took US Forces 3 weeks to reach its outskirts in force against an Army composed of Keystone Cops where shooting in the same direction is an achievement.

Kiev is 200 kilometers from the Russian Start line and VDV were in its outskirts within hours and reinforced by Russian Tanks within 36 hours. Against a foe that is trained and disciplined.

Those were awfully small bangs for arty.

Submunitions most likely, probably designed to crater roads and soft vehicles.

 

[Floridaman]

Some perspective again:

Ukraine is roughly the size of Texas.

Iraq is roughly the size of California.

Baghdad was 500km from US start lines and took US Forces 3 weeks to reach its outskirts in force against an Army composed of Keystone Cops where shooting in the same direction is an achievement.

Kiev is 200 kilometers from the Russian Start line and VDV were in its outskirts within hours and reinforced by Russian Tanks within 36 hours. Against a foe that is trained and disciplined.



Submunitions most likely, probably designed to crater roads and soft vehicles.

Yeah but if Iraq is California 3 weeks is impressive, it takes at least 1 week to get around all the needles and homeless poop.

 

[Agent23]

Some perspective again:

Ukraine is roughly the size of Texas.

Iraq is roughly the size of California.

Baghdad was 500km from US start lines and took US Forces 3 weeks to reach its outskirts in force against an Army composed of Keystone Cops where shooting in the same direction is an achievement.

Kiev is 200 kilometers from the Russian Start line and VDV were in its outskirts within hours and reinforced by Russian Tanks within 36 hours. Against a foe that is trained and disciplined.

Also Saddam's forces were systematically starved by an embargo for about a decade, and even before that they were depeted by two wars(Gulf and the disastrous Iran-Iraq war he was fighting on orders from the USA.)

In contrast, Ukraine has been receiving aid and training from various western countries for close to a decade.

 

[UberIguana]

Some perspective again:

Ukraine is roughly the size of Texas.

Iraq is roughly the size of California.

Baghdad was 500km from US start lines and took US Forces 3 weeks to reach its outskirts in force against an Army composed of Keystone Cops where shooting in the same direction is an achievement.

Kiev is 200 kilometers from the Russian Start line and VDV were in its outskirts within hours and reinforced by Russian Tanks within 36 hours. Against a foe that is trained and disciplined.

Slight correction: The forces currently threatening Kiev came in through Belarus, putting them only 100km away when hostilities began. Still impressive, but it's less than a 2 hour drive. Most tanks could travel that distance and back again and have fuel to spare.

Also Saddam's forces were systematically starved by an embargo for about a decade, and even before that they were depeted by two wars(Gulf and the disastrous Iran-Iraq war he was fighting on orders from the USA.)

In contrast, Ukraine has been receiving aid and training from various western countries for close to a decade.

They also didn't mobilise until it was too late because who even knows why.

 

[Chiron]

Slight correction: The forces currently threatening Kiev came in through Belarus, putting them only 100km away when hostilities began. Still impressive, but it's less than a 2 hour drive. Most tanks could travel that distance and back again and have fuel to spare.

They also didn't mobilise until it was too late because who even knows why.

People shooting at you makes the drive longer as you have to shoot back.

It also indicates that Russian Troops are better trained to fight actual peer foes and win and have a better warfare doctrine.

 

[Agent23]

Good news a major world power has spoken on the situation.

You Amerikanski had to go in and give them cell phones and teach them how to troll!

 

[Floridaman]

You Amerikanski had to go in and give them cell phones and teach them how to troll!

I only wish I could teach someone to troll that well.

 

[Agent23]

I only wish I could teach someone to troll that well.

Well, they learned by practicing on you, not from you.

 

[Chiron]

It indicates jack shit.
They attacked from 3 fronts, while having a direct border for logistics and a very long preparation. USA had a staging area on another continent and still attacked just from one, short border (Kuwait).

By your logic then, the US should have been capable of seizing Baghdad within a few days by landing the 82nd and 101st Airborne at Baghdad Airport in the opening moves and had the 1st Armored reach them in 3 days at most.

Instead it got bogged down with a 3rd World Military and took a while to break through instead of just pushing hard and fast.

Russia using roughly the same number of troops as the US did in Iraq, has attacked on a far broader front against a far more capable enemy with less firepower and manpower density per square kilometer as the US had in 2003 and is getting faster results.

Definitely indicative of a superiorly trained force with a superior doctrine.

There is no arguing around this. The results are the results.

You Amerikanski had to go in and give them cell phones and teach them how to troll!

Yeah, and boy do they love putting out weekly training videos of them using US Equipment and Vehicles and marching.

 

[Marduk]

By your logic then, the US should have been capable of seizing Baghdad within a few days by landing the 82nd and 101st Airborne at Baghdad Airport in the opening moves and had the 1st Armored reach them in 3 days at most.

Capability is one thing, the sense of it is another. Russians clearly "reached" airfields next to Kiev early, hoping they could capture them, land in VDV and rush capital for a quick and easy win. Didn't work, now they are going by road. This isn't something to be jealous of, this was a bad bet on their side.
They have "reached" it with some commandos in hope that Ukrainian military will be as incapable as in 2014, but there is no way they are going to be seizing it until proper forces arrive.

Instead it got bogged down with a 3rd World Military and took a while to break through instead of just pushing hard and fast.

As i said, one front vs 3. Also Iraq had quite a bit more of said military.

Russia using roughly the same number of troops as the US did in Iraq, has attacked on a far broader front against a far more capable enemy with less firepower and manpower density per square kilometer as the US had in 2003 and is getting faster results.

While having 5x less distance, and while the opponent is also busy fighting tens of thousands of separatist proxies. That's in fact where Ukraine's best forces are stuck.

There is no arguing around this. The results are the results.

This belong in textbook "apples and oranges", this is too stupid argument to even bother arguing.

 

[Agent23]

Yeah, and boy do they love putting out weekly training videos of them using US Equipment and Vehicles and marching.

Dunno about that, but the Iwojima reenactment and the scene of them finding and using US helicopters pretty much can't be matched by any subsequent weekly training videos IMO.

It indicates jack shit.
They attacked from 3 fronts, while having a direct border for logistics and a very long preparation. USA had a staging area on another continent and still attacked just from one, short border (Kuwait).

ladies and gentlemen, presenting the infamous Shcrodinger's Russian Military.

It is both infinitely inferior to Polish and Ukrainian civilians and at the same time so terribly dangerous it can take over all of Europe and the USA in a month.

Must be something like Jekyll and Hyde, but instead of the usual every Russian infantryman turns from a lobotomized Pee-Wee Herman into a Hulkified Chuck Norris, with god mode and infinite ammo for the BFG.