Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Poe]

That Putin himself did already, many times.

No not really he didn't, it is still just a "denazification" according to Putins rhetoric. Anyway the point is that the only real opposition or alternatives to Putin are also pro-Ukraine war and any successor to his right will believe Putins war was too little too late. Just as Biden is likely as hawkish as you're going to get in the US, Putin is likely the most pro-peace you'll get out of Russia (and I'm not all implying he wants peace, just that he may agree to some concessions while a successor is likely to want all of Ukraine.)

 

[Marduk]

No not really he didn't, it is still just a "denazification" according to Putins rhetoric.

It never was just that, it was one of several spoken points, nevermind unspoken ones.
Also:

Ukraine war: Putin announces annexation of four regions, but his hold on them may be flimsy

Russia has annexed four Ukrainian regions, saying they have always been part of the ‘motherland’. But Moscow’s territorial claim is as flimsy as the excuse it used to start the war

theconversation.com

Confident Putin boasts of Russian “conquests” in Ukraine

Vladimir Putin is now openly referring to "Russian conquests" in Ukraine as he grows visibly in confidence amid mounting signs of Western weakness, writes Peter Dickinson.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

 

[Poe]

It never was just that, it was one of several spoken points, nevermind unspoken ones.
Also:

Ukraine war: Putin announces annexation of four regions, but his hold on them may be flimsy

Russia has annexed four Ukrainian regions, saying they have always been part of the ‘motherland’. But Moscow’s territorial claim is as flimsy as the excuse it used to start the war

theconversation.com

Confident Putin boasts of Russian “conquests” in Ukraine

Vladimir Putin is now openly referring to "Russian conquests" in Ukraine as he grows visibly in confidence amid mounting signs of Western weakness, writes Peter Dickinson.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

I feel like you purposefully ignored the rest of my post just so you could post these couple of links. I will state it one last time, the point is Putin is not being replaced by someone who wants the war to end, period. Anyone hoping for that fails to understand the politics at play here.

 

[Marduk]

I feel like you purposefully ignored the rest of my post just so you could post these couple of links.

Welp, you edit ninja'd me.

I will state it one last time, the point is Putin is not being replaced by someone who wants the war to end, period.

Of course no red blooded Russian el presidente will say he wants the war to end, but the next guy may well decide that the doesn't want the burden of ruling with the problems that come with the war not ending on top of the general burden of controlling that mess and solidifying his power, and so it's quite likely he will find an excuse to unfortunately have to get out of the war even though of course he doesn't want to end it, he's doing it for the good of the country and shit.

Just as Biden is likely as hawkish as you're going to get in the US,

You may be surprised.

Putin is likely the most pro-peace you'll get out of Russia (and I'm not all implying he wants peace, just that he may agree to some concessions while a successor is likely to want all of Ukraine.)

Pro-peace, probably, pro picking easier fights on the other hand, probably many people learning out of Putin's mistakes even there.

 

[TheRejectionist]

TLDR IN THE TITLE

 

[planefag]

And we have no idea how your airpower based militaries are going to work against militaries with serious air denial capability.

lmao