The Americas Apparently, US Seen as Biggest Threat to Democracy Than China and Russia?

China Uncensored pretty much exposes China's rot. It's a great news channel, even if it's humourous in tone (he tried serious reporting apparently, but it was adding hilarity to his reporting that caught people's attention so he could inform people).

The fact that the variety of toxic boils in America at the moment are seen as bigger threats to democracy and the West than Russia (though admittedly they're de-fanged and just mostly want to be left alone, these days) and China (literal fucking Eastern Nazis, spouting racial superiority and with concentration camps and all) is... concerning.
Unfortunately, those "toxic boils" are not why America is seen as a threat to global democracy; rather, it's entirely due to regressive leftist propaganda that keeps pushing the idea that our nation and culture (non-regressive leftist culture, specifically) is the source of all evil in the world.
 
It’s not multi polar yet it would take 20 to 40 years for China to achieve military parity with us where they could beat us in a no holds barred fight in the Pacific.

You're thinking bipolar.

Before WWII, we were in a multi-polar world, with various areas of power.
During the Cold War, we entered into a bi-polar world, with two competing super powers.
Shortly after the cold war, we were in a single pole, ruled by the United States. Ie, Hyperpower. The End of History.
In the 2000s, we started shifting toward a multi-polar world, which is where we are today.

And that’s assuming the Chinese continue to rise. While people have predicted China collapsing I think that is ridiculously optimistic. Now it platueing where it is and not being able to rise anymore I think is much more realistic so China would end up being a minor regional power, but a great economic power. Think Germany just bigger. So there is a decent chance America still retains being super power status since no one can beat our army.

A couple of things.

First, China is a Civilization-State. It is formed from a handful of nations. All of which are more likely to rebel against central authority in the near future. Second, China is not an economic superpower. It could have been and somewhere in the far future, it may be--but it cannot be that now.

1) One-Child Policy. China very quickly slimmed down their newborn population for the past few decades. That means the China of tomorrow, will not have enough people to buy things. It has also created a demographic internal crises, as there are now millions of more men than there are women.

2) Overleverage. China's central government never cared about profits for a company. That was a bonus. Instead they just shoved massive amounts of cash through the system to keep it running. So if a company is complete shit, it doesn't get shut down. It just gets more loans to make the shithole work. But China can't keep that going forever.

3) Free Trade. Is ending. It started with Trump and it is continuing under Biden. Don't believe me? Think how fondly the Chinese looked upon Biden's admin hiring a lawyer of Taiwanese descent to be his lead woman. Worse, the US Navy is not going to keep protecting their trade, just so the Chinese can increase their own military power. Those days are over. Which means...

4) Local rivals. Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Australia, and more---they all don't want to be under the Chinese boot. Japan's long-range navy is actually larger than the long-range navy of China. Which means that China can't protect its assets in terms of oils, raw materials, or produced finished goods.
 
Unfortunately, those "toxic boils" are not why America is seen as a threat to global democracy; rather, it's entirely due to regressive leftist propaganda that keeps pushing the idea that our nation and culture (non-regressive leftist culture, specifically) is the source of all evil in the world.


by the looks of things, on this board, some of us are taking the bait hook line and sinker.
 
by the looks of things, on this board, some of us are taking the bait hook line and sinker.

While there is most certainly a pack of anti-white racists in the liberal party, the wider liberal agenda is one of personality, not malicious intent. Liberals are very open to new experiences. They also tend to be high in caring and personal liberty. The end result is that they like people of different styles, ideas, and beliefs. They simply don't feel threatened by them. The idea of a harmonious community is simply a fiction in their mind.

Instead, they focus on not hurting people. Thus, you get their policies, when taken to the extreme. The police can't hurt people. Things have to have equal outcomes. You can't call people fat. You can't say mean things about gay people. You can't do anything that will hurt my feelings.

This conflicts with conservatives, who are high in all six dimensions of morality. Things like loyalty, authority, and sanctity are especially important. As is karma. And that means they do not like things that threatens their cohesion. Which is what introducing a diverse crowd actually does. Nor do they like for disrespect for authority or disloyalty. Which is what liberals inadvertently push for in their effort to shield African American criminals from stupid choices (because they feel as though it's an attack on all black people) or that protestors/rioters shouldn't be arrested--unless Liberals are meant to feel unsafe, in which case they need to be gunned down in the streets and tried for treason.
 
I assume you mean states, and not nations.

But right now? Not many. But it isn't for a lack of trying, but rather a lack of reach and ability.
I meant country so yes state. Not necessarily a nation or state made of of an ethnic group for an ethnic group.

That actually can ruin countries. China has already tried using cheap capital investment and building projects to force other states into a subservient position. The fact that it doesn't work is because China lacks the means of enforcing debt collection.
That can ruin nations yes, but not that severely. Oh don't get me wrong economic parasitism is bad and hurt the people being exploited, but the Chinese won't be trying to spread homosexual acceptance, or trying to encourage more children to be considered trans and put on puberty blockers, or ending the religion of foreign people. Stuff like active measures is done by people who sincerely believe in it. It's ironically a western thing where it is the religion of people and what they believe and making them be "good" that is important. The Chinese just want to trade with their business partners, they may want leverage, but they don't condemn their arab trade partners for killing gays, or for being sexist, or for being muslim instead of atheists. They don't care if you are like them as long as they are profiting.

You're only telling half the story.

Iraq fell apart due to American mismanagement after the war. Because Bush couldn't comprehend that Iraq is not a nation-state, but a state that imposes its will upon several different national identities. Hence, it requires a dictator to remain stable. When Bush removed the dictator and tried to introduce democracy, it basically ignited internal conflict. The Iranians then built upon that in order to undermine Iraq as a rival state and to reduce American influence.

As for Syria, that's more complicated. Syria was already in a state of civil war, again because a local dictator controls various ethnic groups. Russia, for their own geo-political goals, moved in and "helped" the Syrians by shifting the war from one that involved static combat with defensible positions, into a mobile conflict that the Syrians were not good at. Then ISIS swept in. Then the US came in and tried to stabilize the region, which means picking sides, which means picking the Kurds. Which meant plummeting relations with the Syrians and the Turks.
I can't read minds so I don't know what was inside Bush's mind, but sufficient stupidity can be indistinguishable from malice. Does it really matter why Bush led America to fuck up Iraq, only that he did it without Iraq doing something recently to justify an attack by America. If there was an invasion in Iraq after they invaded in the 90's thats diffrent but you can't use something from 10 years in the past as justification for now.

That's true. But NOT because the US likes to interfere. The US's idea of interfering in the Middle East was to introduce stability. That it backfired was due to naivety on American politicians, malicious intent by local powers such as Iran and Saudi Arabia, and lines drawn up by former European powers who had taken the land from the Ottomans and didn't care who liked who. The US's whole point for the past seventy years has been to keep the region at a simmering boil, instead of allowing it to explode.

The US will become the greatest threat to world peace not because it likes to interfere with other countries. Because it's geopolitical strategy was aimed at producing peace and the status quo. WAS. The US is stepping down from that role intentionally and when it does so, the system that it put in place will implode, setting off wars and conflicts that the US held back through intervention.
I mean doing nothing is not a threat to world peace. Like I said earlier trying to change people to be more like you to convert to your political beliefs support for democracy for neo cons, accepting gay rights, and critical race theory for liberals is one of the worst parts of our culture. And the part that leads to constant unending strife.

There is really no good way to spin what is happening with China and its minorities. The fact that they're doing this out of mislead realist pragmatism is not any better than Germany doing it out of disgust for Jews or America doing it out of paranoia of Japanese attacks.
I am not spinning it as a good, thing. All three of those actions are bad, I'm not some Chinese nationalist who will say "The Uighers are terrorists they should all be locked up in camps!" I'm just saying that, it is similar to what nations like the US did in the past, and durring the height of the war on terror there were people posting stuff like that online. It's not some massive never before seen breech on how the way nations are run. As long as China keeps it's atrocities to itself and doesen't conquer others or export it's odious ideology other nations that are not threatened by it because of being neighbors won't see it as a threat.

A couple of things.

First, China is a Civilization-State. It is formed from a handful of nations. All of which are more likely to rebel against central authority in the near future. Second, China is not an economic superpower. It could have been and somewhere in the far future, it may be--but it cannot be that now.

1) One-Child Policy. China very quickly slimmed down their newborn population for the past few decades. That means the China of tomorrow, will not have enough people to buy things. It has also created a demographic internal crises, as there are now millions of more men than there are women.
Isn't China, still the 2nd in GDP after us? If they aren't an economic super power then no one but us is. I mean the one child policy is bad, for their demographics but they do have plenty of people, even if the population does shrink they would still be the highest in the world, and the forecasts saying it will lead to Chinese collapse I find to not be very credible.

2) Overleverage. China's central government never cared about profits for a company. That was a bonus. Instead they just shoved massive amounts of cash through the system to keep it running. So if a company is complete shit, it doesn't get shut down. It just gets more loans to make the shithole work. But China can't keep that going forever.
Isn't that stuff just for China to spread those companies, to try and build connections into other nations? The point was never to make a profit. But if they did expect them to make a profit it's just the failure of communism, so I will take your word for it I don't know about economics.

3) Free Trade. Is ending. It started with Trump and it is continuing under Biden. Don't believe me? Think how fondly the Chinese looked upon Biden's admin hiring a lawyer of Taiwanese descent to be his lead woman. Worse, the US Navy is not going to keep protecting their trade, just so the Chinese can increase their own military power. Those days are over. Which means...
This is true. Well as long as we can have actual populists who did similar things to Trump. But I'm worried because those of Biden's ilk the globalists will go along with China, and Amazon and other big business want to be able to trade with China.

4) Local rivals. Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Australia, and more---they all don't want to be under the Chinese boot. Japan's long-range navy is actually larger than the long-range navy of China. Which means that China can't protect its assets in terms of oils, raw materials, or produced finished goods.
This is true, and if we oppose China. I'd rather have us not be in the lead role always trying to lead everything and shoulder all the burden. I'd rather have us help our allies by providing supplies and some people but let us be not sending the most ships and soldiers into the thick of the fighting.
 
Weird how that turned out though huh? It was going so good for a while.
So you support being the world police? Should we invade Iran, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, fuck it pretty much all of the middle east, and around half of Africa because they kill the gays?

Unless a nation is attacking you or your direct allies, you should not attack them. I mean atrocities happen every day, it sucks for those people hopefully they can escape to another country and survive. But not I'd rather not have my people die for strangers.
 
I can't read minds so I don't know what was inside Bush's mind, but sufficient stupidity can be indistinguishable from malice. Does it really matter why Bush led America to fuck up Iraq, only that he did it without Iraq doing something recently to justify an attack by America. If there was an invasion in Iraq after they invaded in the 90's thats diffrent but you can't use something from 10 years in the past as justification for now.

Iraq was fucked up beforehand actually. And the nation state wasn't destroyed. Iraq still exists now as a nation state. It's actually more united now (as ironic as that sounds) then it was in 2003 since the Kurds are now actually part of the country instead of de facto autonomous.

And the primary justification for the War in Iraq wasn't the Persian Gulf War of 1991, it was for Weapons of Mass Destruction primarily, followed by sponsorship of terrorism. The 'Liberation' of Iraq was chalked up as an incidental reason, though still an important part for the rationale.

Isn't China, still the 2nd in GDP after us? If they aren't an economic super power then no one but us is. I mean the one child policy is bad, for their demographics but they do have plenty of people, even if the population does shrink they would still be the highest in the world, and the forecasts saying it will lead to Chinese collapse I find to not be very credible.

In Nominal GDP the United States is larger but in Purchasing Power Parity, China already eclipsed the United States. What's probably more relevant in case of a war is that China's manufacturing output is over sixty percent larger then that of the United States. It's larger then the United States and Japan (whose still number three) combined and it'd be larger then the US, Japan and South Korea (whose number five) combined as well. Big industry!

So you support being the world police? Should we invade Iran, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, fuck it pretty much all of the middle east, and around half of Africa because they kill the gays?

Just to be cute I'll just bring up at this juncture that you are the one that cited Nazi Germany as an example of where an Isolationist Policy would work. And your the one that cited it in a thread whose OP was about whose a greater threat to Democracy which linked a video citing only internal issues of China and the United States. The fact you keep ranting about Killing the Gays and Iran as your reflexive response is psychologically interesting I suppose even though that's still widely off topic.

Maybe you should cite some more Wikipedia articles about the Cold War? That'll trap me!
 
Iraq was fucked up beforehand actually. And the nation state wasn't destroyed. Iraq still exists now as a nation state. It's actually more united now (as ironic as that sounds) then it was in 2003 since the Kurds are now actually part of the country instead of de facto autonomous.

And the primary justification for the War in Iraq wasn't the Persian Gulf War of 1991, it was for Weapons of Mass Destruction primarily, followed by sponsorship of terrorism. The 'Liberation' of Iraq was chalked up as an incidental reason, though still an important part for the rationale.
No, Iraq was more stable under Sadaam than under American occupation. There weren't as many terrorists, there was not as much chaos there was not a war going on. Life was generally better for the Iraqi's.

Also don't misconstrue what I say. I did not say America invaded because of the Gulf war. I was saying that if there was an invasion after that it would be justified. Because Iraq did not do anything that made it deserve invasion. Weapons of mass destruction is a lie, and even if it wasen't I don't care, nations should be allowed to pursue nuclear weapons for self defense. Also there being terrorists in Iraq was also a big lie, Sadaam killed Islamists.

Just to be cute I'll just bring up at this juncture that you are the one that cited Nazi Germany as an example of where an Isolationist Policy would work. And your the one that cited it in a thread whose OP was about whose a greater threat to Democracy which linked a video citing only internal issues of China and the United States. The fact you keep ranting about Killing the Gays and Iran as your reflexive response is psychologically interesting I suppose even though that's still widely off topic.

Maybe you should cite some more Wikipedia articles about the Cold War? That'll trap me!
Why don't you pay attention to what I actually say, and READ. No I did not say isolationism is a good idea for Nazi Germany because Nazi Germany was an expanding aggressive nation. I was responding to someone I don't know who who said that the Chinese are Eastern Nazis. I said that if the Nazis were like the Chinese IN THAT THEY DO NOT INVADE OTHERS. Then we should not invade them or mess with them. So yes if a country decides to do atrocities inside it's own borders we should not get involved.
 
Why don't you pay attention to what I actually say, and READ.

Cute.

Telling me to read when you don't even bother in the first place. 💩

I was responding to someone I don't know who who said that the Chinese are Eastern Nazis. I said that if the Nazis were like the Chinese IN THAT THEY DO NOT INVADE OTHERS.

Actually the original statement had nothing to do with invading and destroying other countries.

and China (literal fucking Eastern Nazis, spouting racial superiority and with concentration camps and all) is... concerning.

As you can see... the only comparison to "Eastern" Nazis here was in regards to their racial issues and concentration camps. Your the one whose strawmanning and shifting the goalposts again by talking about gay rights in Uganda and how much you hate Israel.

No I did not say isolationism is a good idea for Nazi Germany because Nazi Germany was an expanding aggressive nation. ]No I did not say isolationism is a good idea for Nazi Germany because Nazi Germany was an expanding aggressive nation.

Ummm...

Yes as long as Nazi Germany does not try to invade other nations they should be left alone.
Weird how that turned out though huh? It was going so good for a while.
So you support being the world police? Should we invade Iran, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, fuck it pretty much all of the middle east, and around half of Africa because they kill the gays?

My original response was that Nazi Germany was left alone and it's tragic that it didn't work out for some reason. So you flipped out and started whining about gays being killed in Uganda and talking about Team America: World Police. Like I'm more then willing to discuss the OP but here you are... throwing in every random aberrant topic and then getting angry that other people aren't READing your diversionary textual diarrhea... 🤷‍♀️

This entire thread is you not READing and throwing up Strawmen so you can knock em down like a CHAMP!
 
Cute.

Telling me to read when you don't even bother in the first place. 💩



Actually the original statement had nothing to do with invading and destroying other countries.



As you can see... the only comparison to "Eastern" Nazis here was in regards to their racial issues and concentration camps. Your the one whose strawmanning and shifting the goalposts again by talking about gay rights in Uganda and how much you hate Israel.



Ummm...





My original response was that Nazi Germany was left alone and it's tragic that it didn't work out for some reason. So you flipped out and started whining about gays being killed in Uganda and talking about Team America: World Police. Like I'm more then willing to discuss the OP but here you are... throwing in every random aberrant topic and then getting angry that other people aren't READing your diversionary textual diarrhea... 🤷‍♀️

This entire thread is you not READing and throwing up Strawmen so you can knock em down like a CHAMP!
Yes as long as Nazi Germany does not try to invade other nations they should be left alone.
I bolded the part. As long as they don't try to invade other nations. They did invade Poland so going to war is ok. If China invades Japan, or South Korea I'd support defending them against China, as they currently are our allies and the Chinese have no claim on those nations they are independent national ethnic groups with a separate culture from China.

Also you are the one who is pulling out things that aren't related to this thread, and that are lies, by claiming I hate Israel.
 
I bolded the part. As long as they don't try to invade other nations. They did invade Poland so going to war is ok.

Why? Poland wasn't an ally of the United States and that Polish land was German land once before...

And yes I know about what you bolded.

REEEEE-READ

Yes as long as Nazi Germany does not try to invade other nations they should be left alone.
Weird how that turned out though huh? It was going so good for a while.
So you support being the world police? Should we invade Iran, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, fuck it pretty much all of the middle east, and around half of Africa because they kill the gays?

See the chain of thought there and your amazing non-sequiturs and strawmen?

Also you are the one who is pulling out things that aren't related to this thread, and that are lies, by claiming I hate Israel.

Uh no... the topic of the thread is something you've consistently ignored. Read the thread title. Read the OP. You've literally been babbling about unrelated nonsense the entire time and whining that you're being ignored and misinterpreted when that's literally all you've been doing this thread. And I'm sorry, you didn't say you "Hated Israel." You just threw in Cheerleading for Israel with one of your other spazz-outs talking about Nazis and Ugandans and Killing Gays in a thread that had nothing to do with any of that. (y)
 
See the chain of thought there and your amazing non-sequiturs and strawmen?
Yeah, we don't know what the future will be. One of those nations that do things that we don't like could decide to invade it's neighbors. But until that happens we should not get involved.

Uh no... the topic of the thread is something you've consistently ignored. Read the thread title. Read the OP. You've literally been babbling about unrelated nonsense the entire time and whining that you're being ignored and misinterpreted when that's literally all you've been doing this thread. And I'm sorry, you didn't say you "Hated Israel." You just threw in Cheerleading for Israel with one of your other spazz-outs talking about Nazis and Ugandans and Killing Gays in a thread that had nothing to do with any of that
Are you delusional? First the thread topic is about a video, particularly a part where the guy references a survey of 50 nations and that survey said that more people saw America as a danger to democracy than China or Russia. I engaged with that and said why those people might think that.

As for your other insane point. I did not refer to Israel at all in this thread, fucking quote where I said anything about Israel here now or retract it.
 
Yeah, we don't know what the future will be. One of those nations that do things that we don't like could decide to invade it's neighbors. But until that happens we should not get involved.

Are you delusional? First the thread topic is about a video, particularly a part where the guy references a survey of 50 nations and that survey said that more people saw America as a danger to democracy than China or Russia. I engaged with that and said why those people might think that.[/quote]

Your first post in this thread was talking about how he's a critic of China because a Chinaman is cucking him. 😁

Then in a thread about DEMOCRACIES you mentioned how America destroyed Iraq and Syria and Nazi Germany, which aren't democracies and then said it was "CUTE" that I was somehow being on topic while you were deciding to talk about Uganda, cheerleading for Israel and killing Gays. Oh and citing Wikipedia links referencing events that occurred upwards of over a century ago.

Whatabout...Whatabout...Whatabout...Whatabout...Whatabout...Whatabout...

As for your other insane point. I did not refer to Israel at all in this thread, fucking quote where I said anything about Israel here now or retract it.

Right here...

Yes as long as Nazi Germany does not try to invade other nations they should be left alone.

As for your 3rd point I did not say death camps I said internment the same way the Japanese were in ww2. I am doubting that the Chinese camps are extermination camps because if they wanted the Uighers dead they would be and nothing could stop them unless America went to war.

As for your last point I understand we have interests outside the nation, but if you want to convince me to support a hawkish attitude towards another state talk about our interests and how it will require strong actions. Don’t bring up “Oh they are treating Muslims badly, oh they are putting gays in mental asylums.” I don’t give a fuck about human rightswhen our people whine about it it annoys me as much as when the liberals whine about structural racism, or how we have to confront our racist past and get rid of confederate statues. Fuck virtue signaling I don’t care if the Chinese oppress Muslims, and when the same people who become cheerleaders for Israel and argue for us to do more nation building it makes it very suspicious:

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Are you delusional? First the thread topic is about a video, particularly a part where the guy references a survey of 50 nations and that survey said that more people saw America as a danger to democracy than China or Russia. I engaged with that and said why those people might think that.

Your first post in this thread was talking about how he's a critic of China because a Chinaman is cucking him. 😁

Then in a thread about DEMOCRACIES you mentioned how America destroyed Iraq and Syria and Nazi Germany, which aren't democracies and then said it was "CUTE" that I was somehow being on topic while you were deciding to talk about Uganda, cheerleading for Israel and killing Gays. Oh and citing Wikipedia links referencing events that occurred upwards of over a century ago.

Whatabout...Whatabout...Whatabout...Whatabout...Whatabout...Whatabout...



Right here...



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How the fuck do I quote? I'm highlighting it but it's not letting me quote the things I want?

Ok the first part. I brought up later how America did coups in south America, and that shows how if America does not like the way you are going even if it is democratic or not they will still invade you, and bringing freedom to Iraq was just a pretext and a lie. Also did I start bringing in Nazi Germany as an example of one of the nations attacked by America in the same breath as Iraq, and Syria? That doesn't make sense


As for that other part, a small part of the rest of the quote. Still at least it is something. Still that does not show negativity or hostility towards Israel. Simply the fact that Arab/Muslim interests and contrary to Israeli interests. Just like Chinese interests are against Taiwanese, or Japanese, or Korean interests. Russian interests are against Ukrainian, or Polish, or eastern european interests in general lol. Do I need to give other examples?
 
*looks at literally every post in your thread with the non-sequiturs, strawmen and off topic "examples" almost completely ignoring the OP*

😂 😂 😂 (y)
We are off topic now yes. But that's because you said things that I interpreted as never mind. Back to the topic.

Some people think America is a bigger threat to world peace or democracy then China or Russia.
 

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