Had Stalin lived longer, would Crimea have still been transferred to the Ukrainian SSR? In real life, it was done in 1954 to mark the 300 year anniversary of the union between Ukraine and Russia. Would it simply be done in a different year instead? For instance, in 1960 to mark the 15th anniversary of the joint Russo-Ukrainian victory in the Great Patriotic War?
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Skallagrim
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In OTL, when the first bread riots broke out, the angry mob was even shouting "Vive le Roi!" and calling on the King to curtail the power of the aristrocracy. Louis XVI wanted to go out to meet the people, but was persuaded not to.
His core flaw was that he didn't have much of a spine, and always succumbed to the pressure of those around him.
Yes. For the longest time, practically all people living outside the cities (excluding wealthy land-holders) would reply to any questions of nationality with "I'm a local". This was true in almost all of Europe, before the French Revolution. Only afterwards did this gradually change. Without the deliberate legacy of centralism that the French revolution brought, it'll be an even more gradual, delayed process.
1.Even worst.Swiss Guard,after mob attacked them,was initially winning - and he ordered them to stop fighting.He killed them,his family except daughter,and France as we knew it.
2.In Eastern Europe it was much longer - polish peasants becomed poles in the end of 19th century/except prussian-occupied lands,where it happened earlier/,and belarussians,lithuanians and most of ukrainians were still "locals" after WW1.
Most of russians peasants do not considered themselves as russians,too - but as tsar people.
raharris1973
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AHC: A Spanish-American war between the Treaty of Paris, 1783, and the French revolutionaries declaration of war on Spain in 1792.
raharris1973
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Alternate History Challenge:
Get any of Britain, France, Germany, or Italy involved in a shooting war in Europe during the 1920s that is not a civil war or colonial war, and is fought against the central government forces of another state. The PoD must be after the signature of the Versailles Treaty in 1919.
Get any of Britain, France, Germany, or Italy involved in a shooting war in Europe during the 1920s that is not a civil war or colonial war, and is fought against the central government forces of another state. The PoD must be after the signature of the Versailles Treaty in 1919.
raharris1973
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Who else could have been selected as Warren G. Harding's VP, aside from Calvin Coolidge?
raharris1973
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Who else could have had the Republican nomination for the Presidency in 1928 besides Herbert Hoover or Calvin Coolidge?
Skallagrim
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*Hamilton intensifies*
The convention was a mess, and the other contenders all hated each other and/or were despised by the party leadership -- so none of them could plausibly get the nod. Harding himself wanted Irvine Lenroot (who, as a progressive, would balance the ticket) and the party leadership agreed. Lenroot himself didn't actually want the job, but was nominated anyway. At that point, the party bosses all buggered off (not wanting to incur another night of hotel costs!), and a delegate nominated Coolidge on his own initiative. The assembled delegates loved the idea, and Coolidge was nominated.
It's been suggested that Lenroot wanted his name withdrawn, but the facts don't support that. A vote on his nomination was scheduled, and had Coolidge not been suggested, Lenroot would've gotten the nod. The only thing required is for Harding and party bosses to stay around for a few more hours and suffer the extra hotel expenditures.
Frank Lowden simply choosing not to withdraw just before the convention (where he still 'finished second', with more support than active candidates) would give him a good shot at getting the nomination.
Coolidge wasn't an option, by the way. He really didn't want to be nominated, having decided as early as '24 that he didn't want an additional term under any circumstance.
TheRomanSlayer
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Not sure if sports What ifs also count in here, but here goes:
"PC: Atlanta Falcons don't blow their 28-3 lead in the Super Bowl LI"
The game could have easily won by the Falcons, if they didn't slack off in the second half of the Super Bowl. Plus thanks to this epic choke job, the 28-3 score became a sports meme.
"PC: Atlanta Falcons don't blow their 28-3 lead in the Super Bowl LI"
The game could have easily won by the Falcons, if they didn't slack off in the second half of the Super Bowl. Plus thanks to this epic choke job, the 28-3 score became a sports meme.
raharris1973
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What if Frank Lowden was the Republican nominee in 1928? He would be the presumptive victor of that election over Al Smith. Would the win or lose the electoral votes of any states different than Hoover did in the election? How are his Cabinet selections?
How does he try to deal the stock market crash and larger issues in the economy and bank failures.
With the Depression, he is the presumptive loser of the 1932 election.
How are Republican Party politics reshaped by their last pre-Depression President being someone, unlike Hoover, who does not live for decades afterward as a defiant defender of party values, but who dies by 1943, at the latest?
How does the personal and public life of Herbert Hoover go if he is not President in the poisoned chalice term of 1929-1932? OTL he lived until 1964, and had been a distinguished public figure since the immediate post-WWI years.
Does Hoover possibly end up with an opportunity to reach the White House at some point in the 1940s or 1950s in this ATL?
How does he try to deal the stock market crash and larger issues in the economy and bank failures.
With the Depression, he is the presumptive loser of the 1932 election.
How are Republican Party politics reshaped by their last pre-Depression President being someone, unlike Hoover, who does not live for decades afterward as a defiant defender of party values, but who dies by 1943, at the latest?
How does the personal and public life of Herbert Hoover go if he is not President in the poisoned chalice term of 1929-1932? OTL he lived until 1964, and had been a distinguished public figure since the immediate post-WWI years.
Does Hoover possibly end up with an opportunity to reach the White House at some point in the 1940s or 1950s in this ATL?
After 1926 polish putch soviet intelligence belived that it was orchestrated by England - as beginning of attacking soviets.
They thought that Piłsudzki and german leaders are England puppets who would together attack soviets with 120 dyvisions.
Let made that funny theory real.
raharris1973
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What if Irvine Lenroot was Warren G. Harding's Vice President instead of Calvin Coolidge, and became President after Harding's death in 1923?
Lenroot, in contrast to the conservative Coolidge, had a reputation as a Progressive within the Republican Party. How could or would he have governed differently than Coolidge? Would he have had the same Cabinet appointees as Coolidge, like Andrew Mellon at Treasury, either when finishing Harding's term in 23-24 term or when carrying out his own term after winning the Presidency in his own right in 1924, and possibly again in 1928?
Lenroot, in contrast to the conservative Coolidge, had a reputation as a Progressive within the Republican Party. How could or would he have governed differently than Coolidge? Would he have had the same Cabinet appointees as Coolidge, like Andrew Mellon at Treasury, either when finishing Harding's term in 23-24 term or when carrying out his own term after winning the Presidency in his own right in 1924, and possibly again in 1928?
raharris1973
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What do you mean by this?
Is this hinting at Hamilton's aggressive proposals to the Adams Administration during the Quasi-War? That was in 1798 if I am remembering correctly, after Hamilton had been Secretary of Treasury for Washington. In the ATL, the powerful chief executive role for the Presidency was't established for much of the period of the 1780s, only being defined with the Constitution of 1787, and filled in 1789.
Zyobot
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'History's Greatest Military Commanders Tour Modern West Point'.
Napoleon would be flummoxed, I'm sure, in large part because the America he knew is nothing like the fledgeling colossus who growing prominence was apparent by the late 19th century (let alone the global hegemon it'd become after World War II). But at least he'd know what America is, whereas many of his colleagues—Julius Caesar, Hannibal Barca, and Genghis Khan among them—wouldn't have had the first clue that the dominant power of the 21st century resides on a gigantic landmass across the Atlantic that no one knew about in their day.
Napoleon would be flummoxed, I'm sure, in large part because the America he knew is nothing like the fledgeling colossus who growing prominence was apparent by the late 19th century (let alone the global hegemon it'd become after World War II). But at least he'd know what America is, whereas many of his colleagues—Julius Caesar, Hannibal Barca, and Genghis Khan among them—wouldn't have had the first clue that the dominant power of the 21st century resides on a gigantic landmass across the Atlantic that no one knew about in their day.
Skallagrim
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Hamilton was already of the opinion that a war against France and/or Spain was both inevitable and desirable. If such a war manifested, it would fulfill three of his desires:
1) It would strengthen the military, and increase the odds of the USA getting a standing army (of which he was an ardent supporter).
2) It would give him a chance to serve as an officer, thus greatly increasing his chances of winning promotion and prestige. (Something of which he had felt deprived during the War for Independence.)
3) It would align the USA against a traditional ally of France and enemy of Britain, thus improving the odds of an Anglo-American reconciliation, and Franco-American enmity. (Which was Hamilton's foreign policy goal.)
So this scenario is a dream come true for him, and that's what I meant to convey.
Maybe he pushes Congress to modify the Immigration Act of 1924 in the hope of winning over some ethnic voters from the Democrats? Though I'm unsure just how successful he would actually be.
Maybe more trust-busting as well?
No World War II and no Holocaust. Also no Cold War and no NATO alliance. Whether the Soviet Union still eventually breaks up might depend on whether it eventually acquires the Kresy (eastern Poland) since that's where a lot of Ukrainian nationalists were. And also on whether any Soviet males with huge political leadership potential were killed in World War II in real life and will thus survive in this TL, thus perhaps eventually coming to power in the Soviet Union in place of Mikhail Gorbachev. Also, no Czechoslovak breakup. Yugoslavia I'm less sure about. And no Communism in North Korea, I think. Less sure about China.
TheRomanSlayer
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You could choose any PoDs for Hitler getting killed during WWI. One of the TLs that I wrote a long time ago that covered that PoD of Hitler getting killed during WWI, also had the PoD of both Hermann Goering getting killed and Manfred von Richthofen surviving WWI, mostly because he had a busted engine on his triplane and that it was not going to be repaired in time for the battle that killed him IOTL.
Bad for western Europe,irrelevant for Poland.Becouse in 1933 France and England arleady agree to gave polish lands to germans as long as there would be no war.And was allied with soviets.
So,give it few years,and in 1940 germans and soviets would destroy Poland with France blessing.
Then soviets would attack germans in 1942,and till 1945 entire Europe would be soviets.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Hmm, I wonder if my POD was a bit too "open-ended" here? I suppose adding in a "butterfly clause" that prevents a Hitler-like replacement from taking his place makes sense; otherwise, killing Adolf early is pretty pointless.
Even so, the larger political climate that propelled him to power is still there, and Germany would still be pissed about the Treaty of Versailles, as well as suffering from the Great Depression and bloody street battles between KPD and Freikorps militants. As such, extreme movements of some sort are on the rise, as are iron-fisted authoritarians within the German government who'd crack down (and use rather thuggish means to do so), if Gustav Noske's rough handling or Franz Von Papen's desire to establish a military dictatorship is any indication. Fortunately, the Nazis are still sidelined without someone like Hitler to make it mainstream, but revanchism and strongman rule of some sort remain in the cards, so just because World War II as we know it won't happen doesn't mean a different version of World War II also won't.