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ironforge

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You know another thing we might want to think about is if we want to do the tinker thing here too?

As Shirou does have the means to pretty much bootstrap this setting into a high tech one more then anyone else on this dirt ball until Dragon becomes a thing.

So yeah, we going to do any Super Tech stuff here later guys?
 

Arlos

Sad Monarchist
And I was thinking the same thing while Shirou doesn't have to be the best at interacting with people(that's what saber's for) doesn't mean he has to be horrible at it either.
Definitely, I seems to remember that one time we arrested David Martin and tried to interact with the Bobbies, we had a pretty close call.
 

ConfusedCanadian

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You know another thing we might want to think about is if we want to do the tinker thing here too?

As Shirou does have the means to pretty much bootstrap this setting into a high tech one more then anyone else on this dirt ball until Dragon becomes a thing.

So yeah, we going to do any Super Tech stuff here later guys?
Hm thinking about it a slow and steady release of new technology that jumps forward tech a decade or two no need to make too big a change too soon. The great thing about our technology as well due to it not being Tinker tech other people can build and understand it. Enabling them to study sand create new tech from it.

Definitely, I seems to remember that one time we arrested David Martin and tried to interact with the Bobbies, we had a pretty close call.
Yep and my primary reason to why I want to up said ability's we will need to get along with the government if we want to work with them.
 

ironforge

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Hm thinking about it a slow and steady release of new technology that jumps forward tech a decade or two no need to make too big a change too soon. The great thing about our technology as well due to it not being Tinker tech other people can build and understand it. Enabling them to study sand create new tech from it.
That will be a game changer, though it might color how tinkers act/think later too.

As with us being one of the first heroes and one that will sooner or later be known as a tinker since doing stuff like that in our civ ID just seems like it would be a bad idea, could make others that can build but not understand wonder why. Which could go into really interesting places. Since the Golden Grail in the original setting was always a tinker that both knew what they did and could explain it so others could too, and well, Shirou is that man.

That and it will have as big an impact on the entire setting as parahuman did when they started showing up. Because the first power that gets that, wins unless they don't get time to build up. Something that I'm sure most of the powers that be will know.
 

Speaker4thesilent

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Y’all are allowed to do a vote right now to spend exp if you want. You don’t have to wait for the next installment unless you want to. Normally training time would be a concern, but Shirou has been doing a lot of socializing outside his comfort zone recently, so I’ll waive it for the moment if you want to upgrade Charisma.

Edit:
can only go up to three dots total, and I think there are rules for how many in relation to the skill
You may have up to three specialties per skill.
 

Bear Templar

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So yeah, for XP choices, I'm thinking +1 Cha [4 Points] and +1 Socialize [2 Points] is where we should start. As being able to do the person thing better feels like it would have a HUGE effect on Shirou.

Since the guy still does a lot of things by himself, be it his job or going off and doing things in London. So him being able to be less of a social ass could only help us here.
I'm thinking Performance before Socialise, since our cooking job uses performance to teach. If only we had one more EXP then we could get both...


A thought, I wonder if this invisible man can be detected with night vision tech or something else that allows one to see in a different spectrum

Y’all are allowed to do a vote right now to spend exp if you want. You don’t have to wait for the next installment unless you want to. Normally training time would be a concern, but Shirou has been doing a lot of socializing outside his comfort zone recently, so I’ll waive it for the moment if you want to upgrade Charisma.

Edit:
You may have up to three specialties per skill.

For some reason I was thinking that you couldn't have more specialities dots than skill dots, that might have been a house rule for a different quest (and I was checking the 2e rule book and didn't see what I was thinking of)
 

ironforge

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Y’all are allowed to do a vote right now to spend exp if you want. You don’t have to wait for the next installment unless you want to. Normally training time would be a concern, but Shirou has been doing a lot of socializing outside his comfort zone recently, so I’ll waive it for the moment if you want to upgrade Charisma.

[X] Plan: Social Butterfly
[x] +1 Cha (4 Points)
[x] +1 Performance (2 Points)

Well in that case then, here is a vote.

Though as a side question, would it be possible to have each skill in the char sheet be listed with stat it runs off of? Since that would make it easier to know what effects what for those experienced with the system.

EX.
Archery [Dex] *****

I'm thinking Performance before Socialise, since our cooking job uses performance to teach. If only we had one more EXP then we could get both...
Sure works for me, as it isn't like we can up socialize later here too.

A thought, I wonder if this invisible man can be detected with night vision tech or something else that allows one to see in a different spectrum
I don't know, normal night vision is just light magnification and with the whole invisible thing I don't feel like it would work. Heat vision on the other hand feels like it could be more useful here, as that kind of thing isn't likely something the villain here thought to counter.
 

ConfusedCanadian

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That will be a game changer, though it might color how tinkers act/think later too.

As with us being one of the first heroes and one that will sooner or later be known as a tinker since doing stuff like that in our civ ID just seems like it would be a bad idea, could make others that can build but not understand wonder why. Which could go into really interesting places. Since the Golden Grail in the original setting was always a tinker that both knew what they did and could explain it so others could too, and well, Shirou is that man.

That and it will have as big an impact on the entire setting as parahuman did when they started showing up. Because the first power that gets that, wins unless they don't get time to build up. Something that I'm sure most of the powers that be will know.
Oh yeah I look forward to other Tinkers looking at Guardian as a lucky sod who won the power lottery.

[X] Plan: Social Butterfly

Going with this plan for our exp we can upgrade our performance when we gain some more exp.
 

Arlos

Sad Monarchist
[X] Plan: Social Butterfly
[x] +1 Cha (4 Points)
[x] +1 Performance (2 Points)

Let’s get Shirou out of his awkward teenage years :p
 

ironforge

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Oh yeah I look forward to other Tinkers looking at Guardian as a lucky sod who won the power lottery.

[X] Plan: Social Butterfly

Going with this plan for our exp we can upgrade our performance when we gain some more exp.
You know, would they even call him a tinker though and not a Trump? As his powerset is all kinds of weird if you have no idea what his core power is.

That and I kind of wonder how tech from outside the setting will effect things, since something like feels like it would be of massive interest to Scion for the fact that it is new.
 

ConfusedCanadian

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You know, would they even call him a tinker though and not a Trump? As his powerset is all kinds of weird if you have no idea what his core power is.

That and I kind of wonder how tech from outside the setting will effect things, since something like feels like it would be of massive interest to Scion for the fact that it is new.
Huh true I guess he would be a trump with all his weird powers. And with Scion I would wait and see until he/it appears in a more active role aka golden man(whatever the name is) to see how he/it reacts.
 

ironforge

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Huh true I guess he would be a trump with all his weird powers. And with Scion I would wait and see until he/it appears in a more active role aka golden man(whatever the name is) to see how he/it reacts.
You know, I kind of half expect if he does show up, Saber will just end up recruiting him as a knight or the like.

As her bullshit tier of charisma and skills are totally spec'ed for that kind of thing.
 

Bear Templar

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[X] Plan: Social Butterfly
[x] +1 Cha (4 Points)
[x] +1 Performance (2 Points)

Well in that case then, here is a vote.

Though as a side question, would it be possible to have each skill in the char sheet be listed with stat it runs off of? Since that would make it easier to know what effects what for those experienced with the system.

EX.
Archery [Dex] *****

I don't know, normal night vision is just light magnification and with the whole invisible thing I don't feel like it would work. Heat vision on the other hand feels like it could be more useful here, as that kind of thing isn't likely something the villain here thought to counter.
When I think of night vision goggles, I mostly think of the ones designed to detect heat (I didn't actually realise there were ones based on increasing visible light).... And when I read heat vision, I usually think superman heat vision

Skills can run off multiple different attributes, combat it is often simpler but there are multiple combinations. For instance, climbing is dex plus athletics, and if we were to fall due to say floor suddenly vanishing wits plus athletics to grab the edge, and for lifting stuff you add str and athletics to figure out what you can or can't lift.

Dex is almost always used for rolling to attack (can’t think of a time it isn’t used but I’m sure there is a charm for it… I feel perception fits ranged attacks better, well archery and firearms at least (throwing I can see dex). And the damage roll then uses Str + net successes from hit + damage from the weapon and whatever additional


[X] Plan: Social Butterfly

... although I feel the plan should be set up as below for the sake of tallies... I mean this is fairly simple vote but later if we are just doing this line by line it might get messed up.

[] Plan name
-[]
-[]

Oh, and for anyone who doesn’t want to spend xp you should probably but a post like

[] No exp spending



I wonder if Tinker can help us build the tools for us to make a decent magitech workshop (so making the tools for us to make the tools, so when the tinker tech breaks we have the magitech tools for our actual stuff)… and if we can make any advanced sensors with our magitech knowledge (thinking Mercury's goggles but less advanced... initially at least, I mean I imagine you require a lot more infrastructure to build the best tech of the Moon Kingdom), I feel it comes under targeting systems for weapons and it would be common for magitech armour


In terms of how people will rate us, the whole naming convention hasn't even been invented yet... and a lot of what we can do could be theorised as some sort of tinker tech (like we have some sort of fabricator or dimensional storage, or we are a cyborg and have various augmentations)
 
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ConfusedCanadian

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You know, I kind of half expect if he does show up, Saber will just end up recruiting him as a knight or the like.

As her bullshit tier of charisma and skills are totally spec'ed for that kind of thing.
Yes I could see Saber doing that as well. Can't help but wonder if Shirou would be immediately suspicious of a randomly appearing golden man that came from outer space for all he knows. Heck he could get flashbacks of various threats he dealt with the Sliver Millennium.

Also is Night vision googles even invented at this stage? Cause while I like the idea it would be really hard to implement if the device doesn't exist yet.
 

ironforge

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Yes I could see Saber doing that as well. Can't help but wonder if Shirou would be immediately suspicious of a randomly appearing golden man that came from outer space for all he knows. Heck he could get flashbacks of various threats he dealt with the Sliver Millennium.
It's Saber doing Saber things, pretty sure Shirou would just roll with it and try to figure out how to feed Scion. As the man is in House husband mood pretty hard here.

Also is Night vision googles even invented at this stage? Cause while I like the idea it would be really hard to implement if the device doesn't exist yet.
They should, as the tech was first invited in 1929. The only question about it would be at what scale is it on right now. As what kind of visions do they have and how small have the got the tech by now.

When I think of night vision goggles, I mostly think of the ones designed to detect heat (I didn't actually realise there were ones based on increasing visible light).... And when I read heat vision, I usually think superman heat vision
Yeah, the most common one used is the light one on personal, since it works like how animals seen in the dark with light refraction. The more advanced stuff is more uncommon since usually that kind of stuff is on more advanced systems.

Skills can run off multiple different attributes, combat it is often simpler but there are multiple combinations. For instance, climbing is dex plus athletics, and if we were to fall due to say floor suddenly vanishing wits plus athletics to grab the edge, and for lifting stuff you add str and athletics to figure out what you can or can't lift.

Dex is almost always used for rolling to attack (can’t think of a time it isn’t used but I’m sure there is a charm for it… I feel perception fits ranged attacks better, well archery and firearms at least (throwing I can see dex). And the damage roll then uses Str + net successes from hit + damage from the weapon and whatever additional
Thanks that is helpful, but for the general skills we have listed on our char sheet with the static skills. I'm sure they are more basic in what stat works with what skill. An that was the info I was looking for, since those are the frame work we use to magic most plans.

I wonder if Tinker can help us build the tools for us to make a decent magitech workshop (so making the tools for us to make the tools, so when the tinker tech breaks we have the magitech tools for our actual stuff)… and if we can make any advanced sensors with our magitech knowledge (thinking Mercury's goggles but less advanced... initially at least, I mean I imagine you require a lot more infrastructure to build the best tech of the Moon Kingdom), I feel it comes under targeting systems for weapons and it would be common for magitech armour
If what we saw with the gym tinker was anything to go by, Tinkers would help a lot, though confuse the hell out of Shirou with the how. As they can make the bullshit work with no idea how and that will just bug the heck out of us down the line.

In terms of how people will rate us, the whole naming convention hasn't even been invented yet... and a lot of what we can do could be theorised as some sort of tinker tech (like we have some sort of fabricator or dimensional storage, or we are a cyborg and have various augmentations)
So do you think a entirely different system might be put into place then?
 

Bear Templar

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Yes I could see Saber doing that as well. Can't help but wonder if Shirou would be immediately suspicious of a randomly appearing golden man that came from outer space for all he knows. Heck he could get flashbacks of various threats he dealt with the Sliver Millennium.

Also is Night vision googles even invented at this stage? Cause while I like the idea it would be really hard to implement if the device doesn't exist yet.
I have been checking online but having been finding it difficult to date the first one. At this point I don't think they were quite there although there seems to be some by 1985, there are various infrared sensors that have been developed for firefighting though... and the goal here is to ensure the person is detected. This is basically the time they are being developed and put into use


And I just realised the most obvious one solution, dogs, they might well be able to smell an intruder... the question is how to train them and can they be trained quickly enough

On my other thought do you think we might be able to make a magitech sensor in time?
 

ConfusedCanadian

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So going back to the past two updates while us saving the Prime Minister is well and good and all. This guy has proven to be dedicated to killing the PM he will come back we all known that I'm of the opinion we start tracking him down with Saber and Shirou and if push comes to shove saber can guard the PM while we assist the government in tracking the assassin. I feel it's too much of a risk if we let him keep trying to kill the PM and gives him too much control of a situation better to hunt him down before a third attempt.
 

Speaker4thesilent

Crazed Deplorable
Though as a side question, would it be possible to have each skill in the char sheet be listed with stat it runs off of? Since that would make it easier to know what effects what for those experienced with the system.
As has already been noted, there is no set combination for what skill and what attribute goes together for a check. The exception is combat, where hitting is Dex-based both for defense value and for attack.

Likewise, if a melee or thrown attack hits and isn’t just soaked by an enemy’s armor’s hardness, then the damage dice are increased by the strength dots of the wielder.

The general rule is anything requiring stronkth uses Strength dots. Fine movements, like aiming a gun or using surgical implements uses Dexterity. Resisting pain or fatigue requires Endurance dots. Knowledge checks use Intelligence, unless your character is trying to think on their feet, which uses Wits. Perception is detecting something, whether that’s seeing or hearing, or something a bit more esoteric like sensing someone’s motives.

Charisma and Manipulation are the social stats while appearance is how pretty you are. Unless you’re a Lunar, it tends to be very niche. (If you’re prettier than someone you’re arguing with, you get a bonus to your dice for social rolls. Lunars abuse the hell out of this to be superhumanly pretty and basically social juggernauts with only a couple easy to access charms.)
 

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