Like with levies in medieval Europe.Never known what they are worth,till battle.
Ixian
Well-known member
Ehhh, no I don't really accept that.
I mean, yes obviously how they would actually perform in combat requires them to first be in combat, and how well the various groups perform could be surprising.
But their theoretical capabilities aren't some mysterious unknown, it isn't impossible to estimate their combat capabilities with the right information.
I'd be willing to bet the federal and most state governments have a rough estimate of every single militias potential combat readiness.
PeaceMaker 03
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Uhha.… yeah and Russia was the beast of war and the Iraq army was going to cause a bloodbath when the US invaded.
As strength and capability goes, well the most capable militia is the one that has a psyop that plays cammo-goons-party-fudsies, but really are set up as cells as trained operative with preplanned targets.
Not rambo movie BS, but ones that have a trained brain doing planning, know capabilities and limits, and play to opponents' weaknesses while their own strengths.
As strength and capability goes, well the most capable militia is the one that has a psyop that plays cammo-goons-party-fudsies, but really are set up as cells as trained operative with preplanned targets.
Not rambo movie BS, but ones that have a trained brain doing planning, know capabilities and limits, and play to opponents' weaknesses while their own strengths.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Before we proceed, gentlemen, we must emphasise that this is not a recruiting ground. Any talk of militia is purely theoretical and goes no further because I promise the lot of you, you do not want a Civil War.
With that out of the way, any militia would do best operating as guerillas in the more remote parts of America. Directly confronting the US military in pitched battle is a death wish.
With that out of the way, any militia would do best operating as guerillas in the more remote parts of America. Directly confronting the US military in pitched battle is a death wish.
Ixian
Well-known member
Right, leave the majority of the front line combat to whatever formations from the regular federal and state military forces that side with the Militias in this hypothetical civil conflict.
While the Militias themselves focus on sabotage, hit and run raids, ambushes, and perhaps as scouts for their local areas.
We either face a slow death as everything falls apart with slim hope of renewal. Or a bloody one that holds the promise of defeat, but also a chance to set things right.
Or the governments of the West could stop being traitors to their people and nations, but that seems as likely as me looking out my window and seeing a flying pig with wings.
….gentlemen and ladies, having just looked out my window I must regrettably inform you of a total lack of be-winged piggies.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
You haven’t got a fucking clue what you are asking for, do you? Calm down.
If that happened, you’d be begging for a return to what we have now. None of us have any idea what a Civil War would truly be like for us. The only image we can get is by peering through the history books to see the Civil Wars of yesteryear.
I don’t know about you, but merely reading about such horror is quite enough for me.
I have a pretty damn good idea how bad it can get in a worse case scenario.
That being a nightmarish mix of the Irish Troubles sliding into the Balkan Wars of the 90’s. Ethnic cleaning included.
Which is about as bad as it can get without one side going utterly insane and throwing around chemical weapons. Which I think is more plausible then the nuclear option.
But again that is the worse case option I can think of. And not necessarily as bad as it might get.
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You have a point,if democrats fake elections only options would be cyvil war or green lgbt gulags.
You also have a point,cyvil war would be terrible for everybody - but,still better then green lgbt gulags,if democrats fake elections again.
Major Tripwire – Homeland Security Publishes Guidance for Using Artificial Intelligence as Tool for Surveillance, Monitoring and Tracking of American Citizens
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Major Tripwire - Homeland Security Publishes Guidance for Using Artificial Intelligence as Tool for Surveillance, Monitoring and Tracking of American Citizens - The Last Refuge
You might ask, why is the Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) in the business of conducting widescale surveillance, monitoring and tracking of American citizens. Unfortunately, if you are asking that question, then you likely don’t know the first, fourth and fifth amendment to the U.S. constitution...
theconservativetreehouse.com
You might ask, why is the Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) in the business of conducting widescale surveillance, monitoring and tracking of American citizens.
Unfortunately, if you are asking that question, then you likely don't know the first, fourth and fifth amendment to the U.S. constitution were usurped by the 2001 Patriot Act.
George W Bush and Dick Cheney created the domestic surveillance system under the auspices of DHS and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Barack Obama and Joe Biden then took that DHS surveillance system and modified the dials (Justice Dept., FBI) so the surveillance only applied to their ideological enemies.
If you have followed my outlines on this issue [Category Here], you will note exactly where this latest development falls on the continuum. The 2024 election is right around the corner. Previously I stated the artificial intelligence (AI) component to the internet surveilllance system was going to launch toward the end of this year. Well, DHS has just announced exactly that [SEE HERE].
I find it very interesting the DHS memo was issued on August 8th, but only published for the general public yesterday. July and August were when I first identified AI spider crawls were already underway. Pay very, very close attention to the two underlined words in the following paragraph:
Take out the word "improper" and the admission is, DHS uses AI to profile, target and discriminate. In the second sentence, DHS currently participates in systemic, indiscriminate and/or large-scale monitoring, surveillance, or tracking of individuals. The only thing those sentences in the paragraph say, is that DHS will not allow AI to create improper outcomes within a system they outline that already exists.
Stop and reread that last sentence as much as needed. Inasmuch as this DHS guidance is telling us the rules for Homeland Security (DHS) and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) as they use AI, they are also outlining what current processes of surveillance would be enhanced by it.
DHS' AI task force is coordinating with the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency on how the department can partner with critical infrastructure organizations "on safeguarding their uses of AI and strengthening their cybersecurity practices writ large to defend against evolving threats."
What are those critical infrastructure organizations? They include voting systems. Who or what are those evolving threats? You!
Federal News Network – […] The report also recommends DHS encourage pursing off-the-shelf commercial solutions instead of "building everything in-house."
Mayorkas emphasized the need for DHS to adopt AI quickly, regardless of whether it's commercially acquired or internally developed technology.
"We have got to change the procurement capabilities of a government agency to actually move quickly and nimbly, so that when we're dealing in a very dynamic environment, we can actually move with dynamism," Mayorkas said. "I'm not suggesting moving to a sole source model, but we just have to be quick."
He also stressed the need for DHS to prioritize where it will use AI, rather than attempting to adopt it across every mission and use case. The report points to combatting both fentanyl and human trafficking as use cases that could be "accelerated and championed" across DHS. But it also suggests DHS "integrate AI/ML into as many areas of the DHS mission as possible."
"We're going to need to prioritize what aspect of our mission should we really double down on to harness AI because I worry about diluting our focus too much," Mayorkas said. "And I really do want to demonstrate, as quickly as is responsible, how this could really be a game changer for us in advancing our mission . . . we have to pick our spots here, in my view, somewhat surgically." (more)
Notice the emphasis on speed. Get this AI system launched into DHS surveillance, tracking and monitoring systems as quickly as possible.
Now do you see my point about how radical and fast everything is going to change? It's the 2024 election targeting.
Remember, the Dept of Defense (DoD) will now conduct online monitoring operations, using enhanced AI to protect the U.S. internet from "disinformation" under the auspices of national security. {link}
I share this information with you so that you understand what is being constructed and what is about to be deployed on a large scale throughout the U.S. internet operating system. The U.S. internet will be different. The social media restrictions became more prevalent and noticeable in the past several years; now it is time for DHS to expand that process to the entire U.S. internet.
When I wrote about Jack's Magic Coffee shop, people initially thought I was crazy – but the guys inside the coffee shop didn't. Eventually DHS control over Twitter was revealed in the Twitter files. The same background is true here. The entire American online apparatus is going to change, quite soon.
I'm alone out here, but I'm not wrong.
More will follow….
Thoughts on this and what role it would play?
Ixian
Well-known member
Major Tripwire – Homeland Security Publishes Guidance for Using Artificial Intelligence as Tool for Surveillance, Monitoring and Tracking of American Citizens
Major Tripwire - Homeland Security Publishes Guidance for Using Artificial Intelligence as Tool for Surveillance, Monitoring and Tracking of American Citizens - The Last Refuge
You might ask, why is the Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) in the business of conducting widescale surveillance, monitoring and tracking of American citizens. Unfortunately, if you are asking that question, then you likely don’t know the first, fourth and fifth amendment to the U.S. constitution...
Thoughts on this and what role it would play?
It'll be used to track rebels, rioters, and any other dissidents, just like similar tech is used in China.
In Hong Kong they tried to beat that sort of tech with facemasks, umbrellas, and laser pointers, but I don't believe they were particularly successful.
How about smashing any cameras they come across?
BBguns, slingshots, etc...
just break as many of the cameras/sensors as you possibly can.
posh-goofiness
Well-known member
My thoughts are that any planning of resistance, noncompliance, or civil disobedience will need to be done low tech. Also, that for short term counter measures, we're going to need to resort to pidgins intermixed with imagery/symbology.
Simonbob
Well-known member
Sort of, but I'm not sure this is true.
It's not a real AI, it's not a true learning system. The reason why he's talking about "moving swiftly" is because altering an "AI" isn't quick or easy.
The reason why this is important for this kinda thing can be summed up in one example, that's Pepe. Pepe popped up as an immense meme, with multiple political implications in months. Quite a few political "experts" were left behind, and freaked out, or didn't even realise it existed until they were smacked with it.
"AI" is also going to find itself left behind. How often? Hard to say. But, the net isn't a static setup. Memes change. There are waves of thought that sweep through, and leave changes in their wake. Remember Game Stop? Out of nowhere, then smashed through the net, and a number of groups found themselves adapting to it, and not all managed.
Who's to say that "AI" will keep up, even that well?
posh-goofiness
Well-known member
Yeah, that's what I mean, @Simonbob, intermixed imagery and shorthand words is a current shortcoming of AI language tech. It's only a short term countermeasure because eventually that sort of side-stepping of NLP AI will be overcome. Low tech solutions that avoid easily scrapable communication methods are a better counter-measure for now.
AI isn't going to be left behind, however. That genie is never being put back in the bottle and barring a truly catastrophic event it'll never be controlled either.
AI isn't going to be left behind, however. That genie is never being put back in the bottle and barring a truly catastrophic event it'll never be controlled either.
hyperspacewizard
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It stuff like this that makes open source ai so important it will be used against people so everyone will need ai to defend themselves it isn't going away the only way out is throughMajor Tripwire – Homeland Security Publishes Guidance for Using Artificial Intelligence as Tool for Surveillance, Monitoring and Tracking of American Citizens
Major Tripwire - Homeland Security Publishes Guidance for Using Artificial Intelligence as Tool for Surveillance, Monitoring and Tracking of American Citizens - The Last Refuge
You might ask, why is the Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) in the business of conducting widescale surveillance, monitoring and tracking of American citizens. Unfortunately, if you are asking that question, then you likely don’t know the first, fourth and fifth amendment to the U.S. constitution...
Thoughts on this and what role it would play?
TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
Wouldn't learning how to disrupt the electrical grid and experimenting with EMP weapons be more plausible? Even with the high tech stuff, all you need to do is to shot down and cripple the electrical grid, and their high tech stuff would shut down
Ixian
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They also did that in Hong Kong, which can protect future allies passing through the area, but the issue is that unless you hit the camera from an outside angle, you'll still be in the feed and identifiable prior to breaking it.
Which just gives the government video footage and proof of your "crime", ideally, you would want the cameras/video feed taken down before you ever show up.