United States 2022 Midterms General Thread

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As we head into the midterms proper, I noticed we don't have a thread up to discuss them in detail. Now we do.



As of this posting, the two big stories are have been the Georgia Senate and the Michigan house race.

In Georgia, during a tight race between the eventual winner Eric Schmitt and Eric Greitens, Trump's last minute endorsement went out to....Eric. Just "Eric", no last name listed. While amusing in a way, I have to point out that that sort of indecisive leadership is exactly what the GOP doesn't need.

The much bigger story is Michigan, where Republican Peter Meijer, a rep that voted to impress Trump, was successful primaries by a much more MAGA candidate, John Gibbs, thanks in part from a massive ad buy and donation campaign.....from the democrats. Learning nothing from 2016, the dems are once again meddling in GOP primaries to prop up weak candidates, heedless of what happens if that backfires and the weak candidate wins.

I don't actually know, and don't particularly care, how valid the claims that Gibbs is some far right extremist are (though the claim he's a poor candidate cross ideological lines to a degree, NR has blasted him a few times). But the dems boosting him despite their media claim so (and despite members of the house complaining about the national committee doing so) underscores precisely how hollow their "we have to preserve democracy" rethoric is.


Defenses of this have been....poorly argued, the two I've seen most often is "It doesn't matter if this goes against our principles, we have to win in order to enact those principles" and secondly "yeah, we boosted him, but the GOP voted for him the primary, your infantilizing GOP voters by saying we forced them into this", and finally "it doesn't matter, Gibbs woyld have won anyway"

The first one is just a transparent, willful misunderstanding of what the word "principles" means. If you betray your principles to get power, even if you intend to use that power to act on those beliefs, then your true principle is s desire for power, not "democracy" or whatever you claim.

And for the second one, that is valid, if Gibbs was sold to voters as "generic MAGA election truth guy that will end democracy", as politico claims he is, then voters have no excuse for picking him. That's not what happened though, Gibbs was propped up by ads like this:



Which basically says "he likes Trump, and also he backs the border wall and anti-CRT stuff in schools", which are fairly mainstream GOP talking points. You can't lie to voters about a candidate, and then say them endorsing him proces they support the policies that you very specifically did not tell them about.

And the third one just says the dems are stupid, since they made themselves look bad and wanted loads of money for no reason.
 

Lord Sovereign

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So can anyone explain what's going on with the Arizona governorship race? It looks like the MAGA backed contender is edging ahead, but funny business seems to be going on in Maricopa (because of fucking course) whilst the Republican Establishment has been flattened everywhere else in the state.

Have a look at the map.
 

DarthOne

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Voters in Maricopa County Now Reporting Their Votes Were Thrown Out and Didn’t Count


Something stinks. Bad.

As The Gateway Pundit reported earlier — Maricopa County, Arizona, finally released another ballot count shortly after 7 pm on Wednesday and promised more results TOMORROW after 7 pm.


This is outrageous. The polls closed yesterday at 7 pm, and they’re still counting? We call bullsh*t.

They were late. The Gateway Pundit reported that they had not updated the results on their webpage after claiming they would.


The election was on Tuesday, but they’re still counting into Thursday. What the hell is going on?

Election day revealed major concerns and possible fraud in the election system.

Earlier, The Gateway Pundit reported that the County is stalling the election for Governor and that they had not updated their results since the middle of the night last night.

They stopped the counting after Trump-Endorsed Kari Lake pulled ahead from a 10-point deficit.


It looks like they are trying to steal this election from the Trump-Endorsed candidate for Governor.

And now Republican voters are tweeting out that there vote has been nullified and erased.

John Rhodes tweeted out: Anyone else in Maricopa County having this issue? Says signature for early ballot verified but you can see my vote didn’t count. Dropped of on Election Day at voting location.

Check your ballot: Track Your Ballot
CC: @KariLake @charliekirk11 @JackPosobiec



He was not alone.

Another Twitter user claims his vote did not count and was erased.



And Maricopa County is only working a few hours a day and only posting results at 7 PM.

This is complete lawlessness once again by the radicals wanting to destroy this country.


Too hard to just make up fraudulent ballots. They have to throw away Lake votes so that the numbers don't look so bad.

If she loses due to open fraud, now might be the right moment to ignite the tinderbox.
 

Bear Ribs

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Voters in Maricopa County Now Reporting Their Votes Were Thrown Out and Didn’t Count




Too hard to just make up fraudulent ballots. They have to throw away Lake votes so that the numbers don't look so bad.

If she loses due to open fraud, now might be the right moment to ignite the tinderbox.
Can't just make up fraudulent ballots, people get suspicious when there's more votes than voters.
 

WolfBear

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As we head into the midterms proper, I noticed we don't have a thread up to discuss them in detail. Now we do.



As of this posting, the two big stories are have been the Georgia Senate and the Michigan house race.

In Georgia, during a tight race between the eventual winner Eric Schmitt and Eric Greitens, Trump's last minute endorsement went out to....Eric. Just "Eric", no last name listed. While amusing in a way, I have to point out that that sort of indecisive leadership is exactly what the GOP doesn't need.

The much bigger story is Michigan, where Republican Peter Meijer, a rep that voted to impress Trump, was successful primaries by a much more MAGA candidate, John Gibbs, thanks in part from a massive ad buy and donation campaign.....from the democrats. Learning nothing from 2016, the dems are once again meddling in GOP primaries to prop up weak candidates, heedless of what happens if that backfires and the weak candidate wins.

I don't actually know, and don't particularly care, how valid the claims that Gibbs is some far right extremist are (though the claim he's a poor candidate cross ideological lines to a degree, NR has blasted him a few times). But the dems boosting him despite their media claim so (and despite members of the house complaining about the national committee doing so) underscores precisely how hollow their "we have to preserve democracy" rethoric is.


Defenses of this have been....poorly argued, the two I've seen most often is "It doesn't matter if this goes against our principles, we have to win in order to enact those principles" and secondly "yeah, we boosted him, but the GOP voted for him the primary, your infantilizing GOP voters by saying we forced them into this", and finally "it doesn't matter, Gibbs woyld have won anyway"

The first one is just a transparent, willful misunderstanding of what the word "principles" means. If you betray your principles to get power, even if you intend to use that power to act on those beliefs, then your true principle is s desire for power, not "democracy" or whatever you claim.

And for the second one, that is valid, if Gibbs was sold to voters as "generic MAGA election truth guy that will end democracy", as politico claims he is, then voters have no excuse for picking him. That's not what happened though, Gibbs was propped up by ads like this:



Which basically says "he likes Trump, and also he backs the border wall and anti-CRT stuff in schools", which are fairly mainstream GOP talking points. You can't lie to voters about a candidate, and then say them endorsing him proces they support the policies that you very specifically did not tell them about.

And the third one just says the dems are stupid, since they made themselves look bad and wanted loads of money for no reason.


Yeah, FWIW, I myself personally think that having Democrats support 2020 election deniers in primaries up to the point of actively helping them with money, ads, et cetera is a serious mistake.

Also, as a side note, I think that Dr. Oz will lose in Pennsylvania to John Fetterman. Fetterman strikes me as an embodiment of what the Democrats used to be before they went Woke. What's interesting is that Fetterman is married to a former Brazilian illegal immigrants to the US:


Here she is:


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Uplifting!
 

strunkenwhite

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Ah, that is indeed unfortunate. In short, for the Republican primary, Arizona is looking very MAGA red aside from Maricopa.
This is very interesting in that the final results seem to differ quite a bit from the early returns judging by your comment, as Maricopa doesn't look that different from Pima or Cochise percentagewise.
 

Bear Ribs

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Liz Cheney has been Primary'd by a Trump Supporter.


But Cheney's not backing down, instead considering running for President as a spoiler. Literally, just to split the vote and make sure a Democrat is in office instead of Trump.

 

The Whispering Monk

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Liz Cheney has been Primary'd by a Trump Supporter.


But Cheney's not backing down, instead considering running for President as a spoiler. Literally, just to split the vote and make sure a Democrat is in office instead of Trump.

Which is hilarious b/c I don't think she'll get on enough ballots in other states to actually make that happen.

The R's hate her, the D's still despise her, and the independents see her as a useless schill.
 

Rocinante

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Liz Cheney has been Primary'd by a Trump Supporter.


But Cheney's not backing down, instead considering running for President as a spoiler. Literally, just to split the vote and make sure a Democrat is in office instead of Trump.

I doubt she's popular enough to get enough votes to pull that off. She will have to run independent, and might not even have enough support to get onto a lot of ballots.

All the republicans I know hate her. All of them.

No one fucking likes her.
 

Ixian

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I doubt she's popular enough to get enough votes to pull that off. She will have to run independent, and might not even have enough support to get onto a lot of ballots.

All the republicans I know hate her. All of them.

No one fucking likes her.

The Democrats who "support" her don't even like her. She was begging for independent votes and got zilch.
 

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