Cherico

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You guys are missing the point, which is that Macron just passed something by fiat, bypassing the legislature. It doesn't even matter that it was a "good" change, the fact that he did it the way he did is the problem.

So what will France become next?

A monarchy, another republic a dictatorship lay your bets and spin the wheels.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
You guys are missing the point, which is that Macron just passed something by fiat, bypassing the legislature. It doesn't even matter that it was a "good" change, the fact that he did it the way he did is the problem.

Except it's not a problem at all. The government having the authority to pass laws by fiat is a core provision of the French Constitution, and was one of the specific reforms introduced in the Fifth Republic (1958) to correct the shortcomings of the Fourth Republic.
 

ShadowArxxy

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The thing about France is that by design, the President of France is far more of a direct ruler than the President of the United States. In the French system, the three branches of government are not supposed to be coequal as they are in the American system; rather, the executive branch is the government, with the legislative and judicial branches having limited authority to check and balance said executive. At the same time, the legislative branch holds nominally ultimate sovereignty and can fire the executive branch via a vote of no confidence; this, however has never actually happened.

This system arose because the "legislative first" systems of the Third Republic and Fourth Republic proved unable to govern effectively. The Third Republic lurched dysfunctionally from crisis to crisis until the Nazis overthrew it by conquest, while the post-WWII Fourth Republic proved even more badly indecisive despite attempts to strength the executive branch. No party was able to achieve a stable majority in the legislature, resulting in the government changing twenty-one times in twelve years and failing to make any long term decisions whatsoever. Ultimately, the Fourth Republic government collapsed entirely under the weight of its own indecision, which led to a drastically more powerful executive under the modern Fifth Republic.
 
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DarthOne

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The thing about France is that by design, the President of France is far more of a direct ruler than the President of the United States. In the French system, the three branches of government are not supposed to be coequal as they are in the American system; rather, the executive branch is the government, with the legislative and judicial branches having limited authority to check and balance said executive. At the same time, the legislative branch holds nominally ultimate sovereignty and can fire the executive branch via a vote of no confidence; this, however has never actually happened.

This system arose because the "legislative first" systems of the Third Republic and Fourth Republic proved unable to govern effectively. The Third Republic lurched dysfunctionally from crisis to crisis until the Nazis overthrew it by conquest, while the post-WWII Fourth Republic proved even more badly indecisive despite attempts to strength the executive branch. No party was able to achieve a stable majority in the legislature, resulting in the government changing twenty-one times in twelve years and failing to make any long term decisions whatsoever. Ultimately, the Fourth Republic government collapsed entirely under the weight of its own indecision, which led to a drastically more powerful executive under the modern Fifth Republic.

You assume that people give a damn about any of that legalism. They're sick and tired of being screwed over. Screwed over by politicians and lawyers who make the laws to suit their own designs.

People are tired of it. And they want it to stop.
 

DarthOne

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French mayor in support of new asylum center in seaside town has his house burned down


Initial findings suggest a Molotov cocktail could have started the blaze that left the mayor's house and cars in ruins

The house of a left-wing mayor in France, who supports a controversial plan to establish an asylum center in the small seaside town of Saint-Brevin-les-Pins, has been burned down in a suspected arson attack.

Police were called to the residence of Yannick Morez early on Wednesday morning after his home and two vehicles were destroyed in the blaze.

The left-wing mayor, who described the attack as "cowardly and unacceptable," expressed his gratitude to neighbors for alerting him to the fire, which he said could have had "more dramatic consequences."

An initial investigation suggested the fire was not accidental, and Sylvie Canovas-Lagarde, the prosecutor for Saint-Nazaire, confirmed a criminal inquiry was now underway after fire experts ruled the attack to be subject to the "intervention of third parties."

Investigative sources cited by the Ouest France news outlet suggested the fire could have been started by a Molotov cocktail.

A number of public officials from across France expressed their solidarity with the mayor on Wednesday, including David Lisnard, president of the Association of Mayors of France, and Maurice Perrion, president of the Association of Mayors of Loire-Atlantique, who said the incident once again should alert "the public authorities to the urgency to really take into account the threats hanging over the elected representatives of the Republic."

Local MP Julie Laernoes of the progressive ECO party said the attack "echoes the threats from the far right that (Mr. Morez) has been subjected to for months. We condemn these particularly despicable actions against the mayor and his municipal team."

In recent weeks, Saint-Brevin-les-Pins has been deeply divided over a plan to establish an asylum center in the town, which has resulted in mass demonstrations by local residents both in support and against the proposal.

The mayor was a prominent voice in support of a plan to welcome more than 100 migrants to the town of 13,500 by the end of the year.

Last month, two large groups of protesters clashed in the town square. Supporters of the plan held banners in favor of mass immigration, stating, "There are no foreigners on this land," and chanted against the far right.

Opponents to the plans held placards that read: "Yes to controlled immigration, no Mr. Macron, not just anyhow! Not anywhere!" They also chanted in favor of the nationalist Reconquête party founded by Éric Zemmour.

"I am against any increase in migration, and the state does not take the necessary means to prevent migrants from coming by land, by sea," said 82-year-old protester Olivier.

"Our approach is not at all racist but aims, on the contrary, to show, both to the French and to migrants that immigration is harmful to them, as well as us," explained Alain Escada, president of the traditionalist Catholic organization Civitas.



Well. Took them long enough.

Also it’d be a REAL SHAME if all those politicians who sent messages of ‘solidarity’ had something happen to their homes as well. Just saying.
 

ShadowArxxy

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You assume that people give a damn about any of that legalism. They're sick and tired of being screwed over. Screwed over by politicians and lawyers who make the laws to suit their own designs.

People are tired of it. And they want it to stop.

Except it's not legalism, any more than the U.S. electoral college is a "legalism". This is literally the French government working in exactly the manner it is designed to work, and France literally owes its continued existence as a nation to having implemented broad Presidential authority in this manner.

The French people are not actually "tired of this"; the French people protest and riot as a matter of routine. If they were actually "tired of this" in any special sense, they'd be doing something else entirely.
 

DarthOne

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Except it's not legalism, any more than the U.S. electoral college is a "legalism". This is literally the French government working in exactly the manner it is designed to work, and France literally owes its continued existence as a nation to having implemented broad Presidential authority in this manner.

The French people are not actually "tired of this"; the French people protest and riot as a matter of routine. If they were actually "tired of this" in any special sense, they'd be doing something else entirely.

Ink on a page.

And if enough people want the government to change, it will change. One way or another. Funny that.
 

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