Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

Russia is already moving on its second target. Moldova. Two days ago a Moldovan Oligarch criminal who fled to Russia to avoid incarceration for trying to emulate his Russian counterparts. Along with four other traitors announced the creation of a new Moldovan political party on RussianState TV broadcast widely into Eastern Europe. From a conference room filled with a crowd of fake Moldovan(Russian Actors) with obviously fake cheering, on Red Square across from the Kremlin. The cheering was so fake it sounded similar to 80s sitcom laugh tracks. Then at the end is the obligatory standing ovation with over acted cheering

95% of Moldava voted to join the EU, up from 65% pre-Ukrainian Invasion. these clowns are vowing to return Moldova to the Russian Sphere.

In other news Argentina which joined BRICS a year ago has cut ties and is applying for NATO membership.

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Vyor said:
And what nodes will those be?

edit: Also, that isn't silicon. As in, the fucking element.
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Taiwan has been moving its microchip plants to the US in the last three years. The first seven will be coming online later this year. They'll be used to create the skilled workforce and produce chips. The plan is to Eventually move the most advanced manufacturing to the USA guaranteeing microchip supplies and Taiwanese State's money supply and technology in the event that China invades and a government in Exile needs to be created to continue the war.
 
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The Whispering Monk said:
Umm...I don't know what you've been looking at, but the US extracts about 50% of it's silicon within the US. 250K Metric Tons in 2022. In 2023 the US also imported 80K Tons of silicon and another 160K Tons of ferrosilicon of all grades.

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So we imported almost 2x the amount of local production? 490k tons imported vs 250k tons locally extracted...

AmosTrask said:
Taiwan has been moving its microchip plants to the US in the last three years. The first seven will be coming online later this year. They'll be used to create the skilled workforce and produce chips. The plan is to Eventually move the most advanced manufacturing to the USA guaranteeing microchip supplies and Taiwanese State's money supply and technology in the event that China invades and a government in Exile needs to be created to continue the war.
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Mmhm, they are.

And they're going to be a minimum of 3 generations out of date. 7nm is old now and that's the newest one being built here. The others are 16nm and 28nm nodes. Oh, and that assumes they don't get dicked around by the government more.
 
DarthOne said:
Or modified so that he’s harder to identify by the authorities.

Of course it’s a joke. It’s part of the cover. If foreigners pretending to be Americans had labels announcing them as foreigners, it wouldn’t be much of a disguise now would it?
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1. If you're worried about that you don't post a selfie.

2. Hey, I'm just answering the objection that was levied against the supposed "Nevada" location. It sounded like the poster took that claim at face value. Is there a different place where the account claims to be American?
 
Vyor said:
So we imported almost 2x the amount of local production? 490k tons imported vs 250k tons locally extracted...


Mmhm, they are.

And they're going to be a minimum of 3 generations out of date. 7nm is old now and that's the newest one being built here. The others are 16nm and 28nm nodes. Oh, and that assumes they don't get dicked around by the government more.
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7nm may not be the current cutting edge but neither is it 30 years behind (in reference to your earlier post). It's definitely enough to be useful in the event of global supply disruption. And on the topic of quantity, if we're producing half of what we currently need why should we believe it's impossible to produce all of what we need if the economic incentives for domestic production were to change?
 
DarthOne said:
It’s none of our damn business what happens in Ukraine, unless they declare war on the USA or the like. Just as it’s none of Ukraine’s business interfere with our elections. Same goes for Russia.
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Then why arnt you calling out Russia? Who has actively been messing with our elections since the cold War.

I mean, the fact that MTG has had Russian disinformation target her campaign to make her seem like she is in favor of Russia in general and the like.

But hey, its only bad when Ukraine does it.

And here is a thid party country (technically) article about our adversaries.
www.japantimes.co.jp

Microsoft sees slowing in Russian and Chinese efforts to sway U.S. vote

Researchers concluded that there have been few signs of people being broadly swayed by sophisticated deepfake videos made with AI by the nation-states.
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strunkenwhite said:
7nm may not be the current cutting edge but neither is it 30 years behind (in reference to your earlier post).
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You're not part of the industry, so I'll forgive you there.

But let me put it this way: a single part of the equipment required to make the following nodes is made by a single company based out of Europe. That's a single part that relies on a single company in the world. This part goes for millions of dollars each and is one of the most complex machines to exist on its own. This part also took 30 years to develop, because that's how long they've been working to make EUV lasers of a precise enough level and which are large enough to manufacture CPUs.

This is, again, a single part.
 
Zachowon said:
Then why arnt you calling out Russia? Who has actively been messing with our elections since the cold War.

I mean, the fact that MTG has had Russian disinformation target her campaign to make her seem like she is in favor of Russia in general and the like.

But hey, its only bad when Ukraine does it.

And here is a thid party country (technically) article about our adversaries.
www.japantimes.co.jp

Microsoft sees slowing in Russian and Chinese efforts to sway U.S. vote

Researchers concluded that there have been few signs of people being broadly swayed by sophisticated deepfake videos made with AI by the nation-states.
www.japantimes.co.jp www.japantimes.co.jp
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Because everyone else already does that!
 
AmosTrask said:
Russia is already moving on its second target. Moldova. Two days ago a Moldovan Oligarch criminal who fled to Russia to avoid incarceration for trying to emulate his Russian counterparts. Along with four other traitors announced the creation of a new Moldovan political party on RussianState TV broadcast widely into Eastern Europe. From a conference room filled with a crowd of fake Moldovan(Russian Actors) with obviously fake cheering, on Red Square across from the Kremlin. The cheering was so fake it sounded similar to 80s sitcom laugh tracks. Then at the end is the obligatory standing ovation with over acted cheering

95% of Moldava voted to join the EU, up from 65% pre-Ukrainian Invasion. these clowns are vowing to return Moldova to the Russian Sphere.

In other news Argentina which joined BRICS a year ago has cut ties and is applying for NATO membership.

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Listen obviously Romania is in NATO so if they try anything we would stop them. But look at what's happening in Ukraine now. Even if Russia wins geopolitically it was not worth it for them. Obviously for NATO having a buffer to mutilate the Russian attempts to grow is a good thing. So inviting in Finland and others was not a good idea.

Better to just have the situation in Ukraine repeat that way if they decide to attack a NATO member not only have we postponed a war(which is always a good thing, especially if it's a world war that can go nuclear. If the world is doomed why cause it to happen earlier?) but Russia would already be weakened from fighting 3 or 4 wars similar to Ukraine as all those other nations already bloodied and gave the Russians a black eye, which would make our fight easier.
 
King Arts said:
Listen obviously Romania is in NATO so if they try anything we would stop them. But look at what's happening in Ukraine now. Even if Russia wins geopolitically it was not worth it for them. Obviously for NATO having a buffer to mutilate the Russian attempts to grow is a good thing. So inviting in Finland and others was not a good idea.

Better to just have the situation in Ukraine repeat that way if they decide to attack a NATO member not only have we postponed a war(which is always a good thing, especially if it's a world war that can go nuclear. If the world is doomed why cause it to happen earlier?) but Russia would already be weakened from fighting 3 or 4 wars similar to Ukraine as all those other nations already bloodied and gave the Russians a black eye, which would make our fight easier.
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Moldova obviously cannot give Russia nearly as much "bloody nose" as Ukraine on account of how much smaller it is than Ukraine. There are no non-NATO countries in Russian ambitions that are even nearly as well suited to be Western proxy against Russia as Ukraine in terms of politics, scale and military power. By making such claims you either demonstrate you have no idea of what you are talking about, or just don't care what kind of inane shit you have to say to push along the usual views regarding NATO-Ukraine-Russia politics that you are known for pushing.

Also you are implying Russia would take no preparatory breaks before the war even though you want to cede full initiative to Russia regarding where, how and when to start proxy wars against the West.
A far greater threat to the West than whatever more Russia manages to scrape out of its rusty armor depots is its continual practice and perfection of psychological warfare techniques to try get more and more of the West to not show up on that hypothetical battlefield in the first place, of which the kind of sentiment you yourself are parroting is an excellent example.
 
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DarthOne said:
Because everyone else already does that!
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Do they?
The right seems to ignore this completely and seem to favor Russia over Ukraine.
Or the constant aspect of focus on Ukrainians over anything else?
Wierd.
 
Marduk said:
Moldova obviously cannot give Russia nearly as much "bloody nose" as Ukraine on account of how much smaller it is than Ukraine. There are no non-NATO countries in Russian ambitions that are even nearly as well suited to be Western proxy against Russia as Ukraine in terms of politics, scale and military power. By making such claims you either demonstrate you have no idea of what you are talking about, or just don't care what kind of inane shit you have to say to push along the usual views regarding NATO-Ukraine-Russia politics that you are known for pushing.

Also you are implying Russia would take no preparatory breaks before the war even though you want to cede full initiative to Russia regarding where, how and when to start proxy wars against the West.
A far greater threat to the West than whatever more Russia manages to scrape out of its rusty armor depots is its continual practice and perfection of psychological warfare techniques to try get more and more of the West to not show up on that hypothetical battlefield in the first place, of which the kind of sentiment you yourself are parroting is an excellent example.
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Isn't Moldavia part of Romania? If they go for that NATO is coming in.

Also I was talking about Finland, you don't think that if Russia went for Finland before we brought them into NATO that Finland could not give the Ruskies a bloody nose just like they did before? Also even if Russia "takes breaks" they still used energy, they lost weapons, they lost manpower. Things we have not lost so they have to catch up to us, while we could use that time to get even stronger.
 
Bacle said:
And guess what, until we have as a species more than one planet that is self-sufficent enough for human's to live on and population in perpetuity besides Earth, we don't have the option to pretend the rest of this world doesn't matter because it's inconveinent to certain contrarian political takes.

And getting that multiplanetary life thing going is a lot easier if Russia isn't constantly trying to reclaim it's 'former imperial posessions' or whatever they want to call it.

Ukraine had a massive part of the Soviet space program that could very much help in the 'make life multiplanetary' endevour, and thanks to Putin and his supporters stupidity, it'll be a miracle if much of it survives the war in a servicable conditon.

Ukraine's space industry could be helping the US get ahead in space by an even greater margin (imagine SpaceX or NASA being able to launch out of Crimea over the Black Sea via Ukrainian partners/hosting launch complexes) if not for this war.
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We're not going to become a multi-planetary species if we blow up this one while we're still stuck on it. And in any case, the primary reason we're not one already isn't that we can't use rusty ex-soviet launch faculties, but that nobody's putting up the cash to build our own space infrastructure.

TL;DR, the neocons just spent twice the expected cost of an asteroid mine on Ukraine.
 
Bassoe said:
We're not going to become a multi-planetary species if we blow up this one while we're still stuck on it. And in any case, the primary reason we're not one already isn't that we can't use rusty ex-soviet launch faculties, but that nobody's putting up the cash to build our own space infrastructure.

TL;DR, the neocons just spent twice the expected cost of an asteroid mine on Ukraine.
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The multiplanetary life desire would be helped with that equipment/basing option.

And we won't blow this one up breaking up Russia after they are pushed out of Ukraine.

There are many, many, many reason to support UA against Russian aggression.

And it was far from just the 'neo-cons' who wanted aid to Ukraine.

In fact the only people in the US I've seen who don't want to send aid to Ukraine tend to be either the fringe of the Right that has been so psy-oped that they will kneejerk oppose anything DC does under Biden without much if any critical thinking about the subject, and fools who naively believe that nothing outside the US should matter to people in the US.
 
Bacle said:
The multiplanetary life desire would be helped with that equipment/basing option.

And we won't blow this one up breaking up Russia after they are pushed out of Ukraine.

There are many, many, many reason to support UA against Russian aggression.

And it was far from just the 'neo-cons' who wanted aid to Ukraine.

In fact the only people in the US I've seen who don't want to send aid to Ukraine tend to be either the fringe of the Right that has been so psy-oped that they will kneejerk oppose anything DC does under Biden without much if any critical thinking about the subject, and fools who naively believe that nothing outside the US should matter to people in the US.
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You are either a fool or lying.

If you want humanity to truly be a multi world species then you need humanity to tech up and improve itself fast. Do you know the best way for people to improve themselves it's competition capitalism is right about that.

America got big jumps in science and tech from competing against peer powers like Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union. If we did not fight world war 2, or compete against the Soviets in the cold war technological progress would be much slower.

Beating up or suppressing some weak backwards nations will only lead to a hydraulic empire as I'm sure @Bassoe can tell you. Because those in power will try to limit things so that society remains the same so they can keep their privilege.

But if there is some other group that can overtake them then they have the incentive to make new stronger things so they don't get overtaken.

If you truly want that then you'd want strong adversaries for the west you'd want Russia or China or someone else to be strong and high tech and opposed to the west so that the west's leaders have incentive to compete in a way that will actually improve the nation and species.

At least @Zachowon is honest he just wants the American empire fuck long term wellbeing for America or some nebulous "multi planet humanity" but your comment is just bullshit.
 
Vyor said:
You're not part of the industry, so I'll forgive you there.

But let me put it this way: a single part of the equipment required to make the following nodes is made by a single company based out of Europe. That's a single part that relies on a single company in the world. This part goes for millions of dollars each and is one of the most complex machines to exist on its own. This part also took 30 years to develop, because that's how long they've been working to make EUV lasers of a precise enough level and which are large enough to manufacture CPUs.

This is, again, a single part.
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Then maybe, just maybe, building redundancies for that and all other equivalents in our own country, using our own resources, under our control is a bigger "defensive" priority than literally everything else our goverment does in the name of defense?
 
Bacle said:
The multiplanetary life desire would be helped with that equipment/basing option.

And we won't blow this one up breaking up Russia after they are pushed out of Ukraine.

There are many, many, many reason to support UA against Russian aggression.

And it was far from just the 'neo-cons' who wanted aid to Ukraine.

In fact the only people in the US I've seen who don't want to send aid to Ukraine tend to be either the fringe of the Right that has been so psy-oped that they will kneejerk oppose anything DC does under Biden without much if any critical thinking about the subject, and fools who naively believe that nothing outside the US should matter to people in the US.
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Honestly it seems most of those that don't wanna support Ukraine have tendencies that arnt conservative. And more authoritarian.
As based upon what some have said about thier views in the past
 
King Arts said:
You are either a fool or lying.

If you want humanity to truly be a multi world species then you need humanity to tech up and improve itself fast. Do you know the best way for people to improve themselves it's competition capitalism is right about that.

America got big jumps in science and tech from competing against peer powers like Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union. If we did not fight world war 2, or compete against the Soviets in the cold war technological progress would be much slower.

Beating up or suppressing some weak backwards nations will only lead to a hydraulic empire as I'm sure @Bassoe can tell you. Because those in power will try to limit things so that society remains the same so they can keep their privilege.

But if there is some other group that can overtake them then they have the incentive to make new stronger things so they don't get overtaken.

If you truly want that then you'd want strong adversaries for the west you'd want Russia or China or someone else to be strong and high tech and opposed to the west so that the west's leaders have incentive to compete in a way that will actually improve the nation and species.

At least @Zachowon is honest he just wants the American empire fuck long term wellbeing for America or some nebulous "multi planet humanity" but your comment is just bullshit.
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Go psy-op someone who will fall for those lines of bullshit.
Zachowon said:
Honestly it seems most of those that don't wanna support Ukraine have tendencies that arnt conservative. And more authoritarian.
As based upon what some have said about thier views in the past
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I mean you aren't wrong, even if I don't think 'conservatism' per se is the common thread behind UA support. More like having some critical thinking skills and not being a dedicated and prideful contrarian is the common thread I've seen in UA support.

It's the reactionaries on the Right who are most opposed to UA aid, along with a few lolberts who shouldn't be so naive, and the Hamas-friendly faction of the Dems who are mostly just Muslim Brotherhood 5th column.
 
King Arts said:
Isn't Moldavia part of Romania? If they go for that NATO is coming in.
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Dude...
I should reply with that every time you say yet another stupid thing about politics.
As i said, you have no idea about these things and it shows, not even the basic information.
It's like asking if Austria is part of Germany.
It's a fucking separate country...
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Moldova - Wikipedia

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King Arts said:
Also I was talking about Finland, you don't think that if Russia went for Finland before we brought them into NATO that Finland could not give the Ruskies a bloody nose just like they did before?
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Who knows. But they wouldn't, because Finland was in EU, and that has certain defense implications too, weaker ones than NATO but still risky territory.
King Arts said:
Also even if Russia "takes breaks" they still used energy, they lost weapons, they lost manpower.
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Which they can build in breaks, and only start another war when they feel ready.
Nevermind the chances that in a break they may convince some dumb socialist govt or few that they will be totally peaceful now to lift sanctions again to restock western industrial and technological part stockpile.
King Arts said:
Things we have not lost so they have to catch up to us, while we could use that time to get even stronger.
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We don't need time to get stronger, we need more willingness to use the strength we already have (which would be enough to arrange a siege of Moscow twice over if used), while Russian psyops aimed at that are one of the more competent parts of their state apparatus.
 
Bassoe said:
Then maybe, just maybe, building redundancies for that and all other equivalents in our own country, using our own resources, under our control is a bigger "defensive" priority than literally everything else our goverment does in the name of defense?
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Ok, magic up the... 700 billion dollars for the equipment and land. Oh, and while you're at it magic up the skilled workforce.
 
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