You're right, there is nothing to be discussed here, because you keep putting words I didn't say in my mouth.
Media/Journalism Cringe Megathread - Hot off the Presses
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Bacle doesn’t seem to understand that the future of the country-whether it becomes a socialist clown world hellscape(more than it already is) is bound up with the fate of the south.
If the south is destroyed, if the south is eradicated then the US will have fallen entirely to the malevolent forces that are coming for you, they are coming for me, and all of our children.
Which is why the confederacy must be defended without reservation. The people attacking it are already well inside the gates and want to burn down the city entirely.
By acceding to their south bad argument we have opened the door towards total iconoclasm of the country’s history and the enshrinement of propaganda and self hatred at all levels.
In a struggle for civilization there can be no doubt or hesitancy.
@Bacle believes something can be reached to bring peace. There is no peace. Only total victory of us or our total destruction.
If the south is destroyed, if the south is eradicated then the US will have fallen entirely to the malevolent forces that are coming for you, they are coming for me, and all of our children.
Which is why the confederacy must be defended without reservation. The people attacking it are already well inside the gates and want to burn down the city entirely.
By acceding to their south bad argument we have opened the door towards total iconoclasm of the country’s history and the enshrinement of propaganda and self hatred at all levels.
In a struggle for civilization there can be no doubt or hesitancy.
@Bacle believes something can be reached to bring peace. There is no peace. Only total victory of us or our total destruction.
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So what can be done? You've suggested a truth and reconciliation committee, which as we see in South Africa is a path to destroying white people. She's established there's no forgiveness, no reconciliation. White people exist in the South, and they vote republican because at this stage the democrats are pushing for their disenfranchising, if not their genocide. You yourself say the mistake of the end of civil war was granting southerners the franchise again.
What are you actually arguing for then?
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I don’t think @Bacle is actually a leftist so much as he uncritically accepts their moral axioms. Out of emotion and lack of perspective.
He doesn’t seem to realize the left uses his naïveté as a way to get to it’s true agenda.
He’s what they call an “accomplice”.
An actual term they use for people who carry their water out of innocence or misguided moral considerations.
He doesn’t seem to realize the left uses his naïveté as a way to get to it’s true agenda.
He’s what they call an “accomplice”.
An actual term they use for people who carry their water out of innocence or misguided moral considerations.
You keep putting words in my mouth, keep misrepresenting what I said, and you think I'm going to justify myself or my positions to you anymore?
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Bacle we’ve explained to you again and again the implications of what you advocate and the falsity of your claims. We’re not your enemies, we want you to understand and not be used by people who have ill intent for you as much as they do for us.
StormEagle
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Compromise should be the filthiest word in a conservatives dictionary. All “compromise” means to a leftist is “We’ll take some of what we want now and then brow beat and bully the rest out of them later”.
Leftists, liberals, socialists and other assorted filth do not negotiate in good faith. There is no bargain or compromise that can be made that can convince them not to move on to the next supposed grievance they have with reality.
@Bacle , on some level I understand your desire for peace and unification. These are urges and feelings I myself once had and they are, in certain aspects, a sign of good character.
They are also, unfortunately, naive. I don’t mean to offer offense here, but your insistence that compromise can be made is, I think, wrong.
I won’t ascribe morality or put words in your mouth here. I don’t know you or your motivations, so doing either would be presumptuous of me.
I will just say that I have to reject the moral axiom I think you are coming from. Whether we like it or not, whether we want to accept it or not, this is a tribal war and a battle for the very future and soul of the country. There is no compromise to be made, no bargain to be struck, nothing that can buy us peace at this point.
To paraphrase Kipling:
“We must never pay the danegeld. No matter how trifling the cost; For the end of that game is oppression and shame, And the nation that plays it is lost.”
These people want us dead or imprisoned, our children raped or castrated, and they think it’s funny.
They will never stop at just the confederates, they will never be satisfied with just Lee going down. Anyone that’s been paying attention during these riots sees that their goal is nothing less than the destruction and replacement of every western historical figure of note.
I’m not going to say something foolish like you’re either with us or with the anarchists. Every man must, ultimately, come to the conclusion of what’s worth fighting for based upon his own morality and principles.
For my own stance, I spit on the hand of compromise and any demonrat that extends it.
After all, their other hand hides a knife behind their back.
Leftists, liberals, socialists and other assorted filth do not negotiate in good faith. There is no bargain or compromise that can be made that can convince them not to move on to the next supposed grievance they have with reality.
@Bacle , on some level I understand your desire for peace and unification. These are urges and feelings I myself once had and they are, in certain aspects, a sign of good character.
They are also, unfortunately, naive. I don’t mean to offer offense here, but your insistence that compromise can be made is, I think, wrong.
I won’t ascribe morality or put words in your mouth here. I don’t know you or your motivations, so doing either would be presumptuous of me.
I will just say that I have to reject the moral axiom I think you are coming from. Whether we like it or not, whether we want to accept it or not, this is a tribal war and a battle for the very future and soul of the country. There is no compromise to be made, no bargain to be struck, nothing that can buy us peace at this point.
To paraphrase Kipling:
“We must never pay the danegeld. No matter how trifling the cost; For the end of that game is oppression and shame, And the nation that plays it is lost.”
These people want us dead or imprisoned, our children raped or castrated, and they think it’s funny.
They will never stop at just the confederates, they will never be satisfied with just Lee going down. Anyone that’s been paying attention during these riots sees that their goal is nothing less than the destruction and replacement of every western historical figure of note.
I’m not going to say something foolish like you’re either with us or with the anarchists. Every man must, ultimately, come to the conclusion of what’s worth fighting for based upon his own morality and principles.
For my own stance, I spit on the hand of compromise and any demonrat that extends it.
After all, their other hand hides a knife behind their back.
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CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
At the same time, just to be sure, gotta remember
The "Liberals" don't have sole access or monopoly on the guys who like fun
Yeah, I can tell the resident Social Conservatives probably would want plenty of all this stuff banned
But there's a reason why there's guys against the Far Left even from non-religious circles
I'm pointing out the logical conclusion of the position you seem to be taking. If the problem is that the confederates weren't executed for treason before, then the problem now is that white southerners still live.
If the USA requires a truth and reconciliation comittee to judge America now, and thus lay collective punishment now, for the sin of a minority of white people 150 years ago, then that speaks to a belief in a blood sin.
I'm outlining what I see as the plainspoken meaning and logical follow on of what your saying: I think your not actually seeing and grappling with what your saying actually means, just as the good natured college Communist doesn't necessarily really grasp what what their asking for really entails in the real world. What the inevitable outcome of their beliefs and program is.
One maintains hope that the average communist is simply ignorant of what communism really is, while keeping in mind that there are a great many who know exactly what their trying for and want it. I think your in the former though, someone who has been fed communist lies so throughly smuggled in nice sounding platitudes that simply getting you to see the truth will bring you around.
“Socialism was embraced by the greater part of the intelligentsia as the apparent heir of the liberal tradition: therefore it is not surprising that to them the idea of socialism’s leading to the opposite of liberty should appear inconceivable.”
― Friedrich A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
From our perspective, socialism in essence won in the integiencia over a hundred years ago. Thus, a great deal of history taught and "known" is taught and known from a fundamentally communist/socialist lense, a lense that in many ways is fundamentally wrong and untrue.
Thus our frustration at you making what strikes us, those of us who have been in this fight for a decade or more, and recognize it as a fight that has been going on for at least a century, communist arguments based on communist propaganda, and believing communist logic will work.
For some on the left this is true, but not all, and I am not going to be bullied into thinking or saying otherwise.
If 'conservatives' tried harder to care about conserving the environment, not just social moors of one religious group, they could probably have made a lot more headway against the Left. Too many on the Right want another Reagan, not another Roosevelt, and see anything environmental as either 'lefty' or 'bad for business' or 'based on lies'.
But that's not a 'culture war', it's a discussion about hard science and nuanced policy, and it requires horsetrading and realistic goals, not ideological clashes.
I have and still do call out the Left in very harsh terms and give them all sorts of shit. I fight against the Left on FB, where we don't have the nice permissive atmosphere of this forum. I'm taking the fight to them where it matters, and in ways that make me a pariah to a lot of my former social circles because I came out for Trump.
But because I dare to agree with the removal of Confederate monuments, and changing of bases named after Confederate officers, I'm a Leftist and none of my other efforts matter at all. I am trying to help the right win the middle more effectively, and get nothing but shit for it from everyone.
But all you lot care about is ideological purity.
Horsetrading is how politics has always been done, and if the Trump/the Right wins in Nov, they will have the power to do that trading from a position of strength, not weakness. That chance must not be wasted, if it occurs.
If the Trump/the Right lose, it won't matter anyway.
It's not ideological purity they are arguing for. It's the opposite: tactics. Basically, the argument goes that if they win here, they'll build momentum and win in other places (like statues people care about) and won't stop. Both of the positions are reasonable.
LifeisTiresome
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Another person gets it. Whats I find hilarious is how compromise must always come from non-leftists. Leftists don't compromise at all. They get a little of what they wanted which they then use a beachhead to invade further aka the non-leftists surrendered.
Not getting your point her with the pic. From my understanding leftists have been the ones bitching about Uzaki while praising Abby. But they don't bitch about Cuties though.At the same time, just to be sure, gotta remember
The "Liberals" don't have sole access or monopoly on the guys who like fun
Yeah, I can tell the resident Social Conservatives probably would want plenty of all this stuff banned
But there's a reason why there's guys against the Far Left even from non-religious circles
And yeah, I agree with you that the conservatives here would ban anime. But as I have said before, I would welcome banning at this point. Conservatives would ban it, leftists subvert and ban. The subversion is worse. We anime fans survived in the past the bans and got translations via fan translations. We can do that again.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
My point was that it was the Lefties bitching about it, they made that illusion or "Left-Right Paradigm" that basically went and said that it was ONLY the Left who was pro-fun and pro-diversity
Nevermind how stuff like BAEN-Books exists with their covers
The subversion's what makes SJW's more dangerous, yeah, those religious-prude-douchebag parent types wouldn't even bother pretending to like it
You speak about tactics, I speak about strategy.
As Sun Tzu said 'If you defend everything, you defend nothing.'; that holds true for politics and social capital as much as military campaigns and planning.
Defending the CSA is defending an abandoned septic tank while your capital and ports are about to be sacked.
Doomsought
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Friendly Reminder. The 2A Rule for Slurs is focused on it targeting particular individuals (especially other community members) to insult or demean them. Your use of a slur here wasn't directed at an individual but was still borderline.
This attitude is why defending pedophiles is more acceptable than condemning gay marraige. Fuck that. I want everyhing back.
I want the faggots back in the closet, I want the pedos in jail, and I want to see every governor that shut down their state hung from a giblet.
This wouldn't be worth defending if it wasn't being attacked. But it is, and this is one of the major places being attacked.
The only reason I'd enter a closet would be to get my shotgun. Go fuck yourself, and have fun trying to enforce that. If you want everything back, does that include Jim Crow? Slavery? Wilson's speech laws? Or maybe start by admitting that not all progress is negative.
Like Bacle you seem to be implying some monolith of Religion that's ruining all of your pervy fun.
There's a big spectrum ranging from ban it all to shrug in disagreeable indifference from Social Conservatives with the majority falling in the latter.
But it ain't Social Conservatives taking anime off streaming services or decrying how anime is being corrupted by notorious Republicans like Sean Spicer.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
What about the "faggots" who refuse to go back into the closet? Or the pedos who argue that they haven't actually done anything illegal? Or the governors who honestly, if mistakenly, thought that shutting down was the best move to protect their citizenry?
What about someone like me, who's willing to stand up to you and say no; I'm not going to just let you violate some of the most fundamental rights provided by our founding documents, simply because you hold a grudge. Are you willing to kill over it? Because that's what it's going to take to get me out of your way.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
It’s okay, I know there are degrees even there
Vic Mignogna was religious and a conservative
Guy worked with anime
I think it was only a matter of time till his coworkers tried “cancelling” him