Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

Conflicts govern themselves by their own rules. Of course Russia, under anything remotely resembling current management, is not someone to count on for investment, and if so, it would probably be used maliciously against you.
Same goes for China. You would rather not have them invest than buy control over your tech companies, universities or banks and then use it in service of the CCP, already happened way too many times. Already happened many times. Credibility is something you want with friends and neutrals, unwillingness to strike against enemies is not credibility, it's weakness.

Would a hypothetical neutral state be more willing to side with your enemies and go against you if they knew that in response you will take all their assets you can get your hands on, or if they were convinced that you won't take any of their assets at all no matter what they do?
Especially if when forced to take sides, the other side subscribes to the former option.
I mean that’s actually false because unless you are wanting to make other nations go commie or try autoarky you want to engage with trade with them. As much as you don’t like China now it’s better than it was under Mao.

Also again credibility with friends and neutrals and rivals. You can take away assets of enemies but to be an enemy you are in a shooting war. Doing that shit with sanctions and all that will make other nations pull out of your economy. After all it’s not that big of a step from sanctions for what a nation is doing outside its borders like Russia now to doing sanctions for what a nation does inside its borders. I mean yeah right now it’s Russia but in the future whose to say some other country won’t run afoul because they don’t have gay marriage or something.
 
Your polish right? You do realize you picked one of the most controversial acts in the last couple of centuries, one that the country has apologized and paid 1.6 billion in reparations for? Or were you just googling quickly for a gotcha and had no idea? Even if this was the same thing (it isn't) it still doesn't help your case at all and changes nothing about what I said. Locking up Japanese people while we're in a shooting war with Japan is way different than seizing assets from a nation we aren't at war with.
>locking up the Japanese
Did you even read the article's title, nevermind thought about the event it refers to, not wondering why it refers WW1, not WW2?
Apparently you have no better argument that to bring up a different event merely brought up in the article.
I mean that’s actually false because unless you are wanting to make other nations go commie or try autoarky you want to engage with trade with them. As much as you don’t like China now it’s better than it was under Mao.
Is it? It's better for the Chinese for sure, but it China was still Maoist and larping as North Korea, it would have a much weaker economy and military, which would put a major break on its military and imperial ambitions.
Also again credibility with friends and neutrals and rivals. You can take away assets of enemies but to be an enemy you are in a shooting war.
That's absolutely not how the world works. And if it does, at least not the part of the world Russia is in.
Doing that shit with sanctions and all that will make other nations pull out of your economy.
In some cases, great. You don't want CCP agents controlling anything even remotely important in your economy. Same for islamists, other communists, Russian oligarchs and so on.
After all it’s not that big of a step from sanctions for what a nation is doing outside its borders like Russia now to doing sanctions for what a nation does inside its borders. I mean yeah right now it’s Russia but in the future whose to say some other country won’t run afoul because they don’t have gay marriage or something.
Obligatory random ass slippery slope argument. I've just linked an article showing USA doing harsher property confiscation against Germans during WW1, and not even just the state.
 
Nope. Let this pass and over the next generation you will see increasingly petty reasons being used as an excuse to seize peoples assets until it's just a normal thing.
Ita seizing a nation's assets that us currently being sanctioned. Standard practice when sanctioning a nation
When you start seizing assets it definitely hurts you long term as all foreigners start to worry what if their government does something dumb and you take their stuff. It also, as mentioned, sets a precedent that no person should be okay with. Don't let politicians use a crisis to set terrible precedent, that's how we ended up with the patriot act.
Siezing assets has to be approved by congress iirc, which means it isn't easy.
And thw fact that it would mean a country is either at war, or is being heavily sanctioned.
 
Your polish right? You do realize you picked one of the most controversial acts in the last couple of centuries, one that the country has apologized and paid 1.6 billion in reparations for? Or were you just googling quickly for a gotcha and had no idea? Even if this was the same thing (it isn't) it still doesn't help your case at all and changes nothing about what I said. Locking up Japanese people while we're in a shooting war with Japan is way different than seizing assets from a nation we aren't at war with.
I don't know about the Polish bit since he certainly seems to post in CST and EST mostly, but he is a reeing neocon that jacks of at the US MIC, has a constant rageboner against Dem darned Russkies and goes into temper tantrums calling everyone a paid Russian troll and/or a communis.

And he habitually makes stupid, shallow defensive posts when someone calls out his shit.

Like for example when he tried to claim that the Haber process can be done with coal.

I personally don't pay him much heed, because his stupidity and bloated ego are both annoying.

Now, back to his latest brain fart.

1) Seizure of the assets of migrants and citizens that live in a particular country is not new, and it has become increasingly frowned upon after the excesses of the 20th century, there is a huge difference between that and foreign direct investment, though.

2) The USA was not the reserve currency of the world back then, and the dollar was backed by gold, aswas the British pound and all other major currencies.Now, it is a FIAT that is increasing being regulated and used as a political tool, something thst wasn't done even at the height of the cold war.

3) The sovereign assets of a large nation state are just that, sovereign. There is no precedent for doing what the neocuck financial and legal illiterates want, and the have been warned against it repeatedly

4) As the arch neocon jackoff Fukuyama put itin some of his post-End of History self apologia, the west is above the rest and had better chances than the rest to develop further, grow and lead because of two things, rule of law and predictability of outcome where law, regulations and the like are concerned.

S o, yeah, the only reason he gets away with most of his dumb, autistic screeching is because most people do not have the time and the patience to deal with his buffoonery and this is a retarded step the neocuck bandwagon is pushing.
Then again, thei hitched their waggons to an iceestuous idiot pedo with dementia and a coke addicted pedo son that is a walking compromat factory.
 
I don't know about the Polish bit since he certainly seems to post in CST and EST mostly, but he is a reeing neocon that jacks of at the US MIC, has a constant rageboner against Dem darned Russkies and goes into temper tantrums calling everyone a paid Russian troll and/or a communis.
Hi vatnik scum, long time no see.
And he habitually makes stupid, shallow defensive posts when someone calls out his shit.

Like for example when he tried to claim that the Haber process can be done with coal.
And this is why you are a retarded troll. A smart troll would at least pick fights on grounds he is sure that he has hard footing on. But instead you go around for a long time thinking you totally "owned" my googling that you whine about so often, yet you didn't even bother to check the fucking wikipedia article on it to see that you live in a world of bullshit, nevermind more respectable sources.
Approximately 88% of ammonia made annually is consumed in the manufacturing of fertilizer. Most of the remainder goes into the production of formaldehyde. China produced about 32.6% of the global production in 2014, while Russia, India, and the U.S. produced 8.1%, 7.6%, and 6.4%, respectively (1). While most of the global production of ammonia is based on steam reforming of natural gas, significant quantities are produced by coal gasification; most of the gasification plants are located in China.
Hydrogen required for ammonia synthesis is most often produced through gasification of carbon-containing material, mostly natural gas, but other potential carbon sources include coal, petroleum, peat, biomass, or waste.

Production of Ammonia from Low Rank Coal Employing
Chemical Looping and Haber-Bosch Process

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Of course his knowledge in military technology and geopolitics and many other areas he shills his idiot contrarianism in is about as good as his knowledge of industrial chemistry.
S o, yeah, the only reason he gets away with most of his dumb, autistic screeching is because most people do not have the time and the patience to deal with his buffoonery and this is a retarded step the neocuck bandwagon is pushing.
Then again, thei hitched their waggons to an iceestuous idiot pedo with dementia and a coke addicted pedo son that is a walking compromat factory.
We saw your attempt to deal with my "buffonery" right now ending up with you yet again showing you are fucking clueless and proud of it.
 
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Hi vatnik scum, long time no see.

And this is why you are a retarded troll. A smart troll would at least pick fights on grounds he is sure that he has hard footing on. But instead you go around for a long time thinking you totally "owned" my googling that you whine about so often, yet you didn't even bother to check the fucking wikipedia article on it to see that you live in a world of bullshit, nevermind more respectable sources.
Approximately 88% of ammonia made annually is consumed in the manufacturing of fertilizer. Most of the remainder goes into the production of formaldehyde. China produced about 32.6% of the global production in 2014, while Russia, India, and the U.S. produced 8.1%, 7.6%, and 6.4%, respectively (1). While most of the global production of ammonia is based on steam reforming of natural gas, significant quantities are produced by coal gasification; most of the gasification plants are located in China.
Hydrogen required for ammonia synthesis is most often produced through gasification of carbon-containing material, mostly natural gas, but other potential carbon sources include coal, petroleum, peat, biomass, or waste.

Production of Ammonia from Low Rank Coal Employing
Chemical Looping and Haber-Bosch Process

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Great, you finally googled and found a retarded solution.
Of course his knowledge in military technology and geopolitics and many other areas he shills his idiot contrarianism in is about as good as his knowledge of industrial chemistry.

We saw your attempt to deal with my "buffonery" right now ending up with you yet again showing you are fucking clueless and proud of it.
Bronekokoshka, I see you are as reeing as ever.

Yup, turning coal into gas, because it is so efficient,like converting it to oil.

Just ask Hitler, the SS and the Werma ht circa WWII...oh wait.

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Great, you finally googled and found a retarded solution.
Yes, i found a solution to your retarded claim, how fucking dumb you have to be to go around picking this odd subject of chemical engineering, even in unrelated threads, and bragging about how you caught me saying crazy nonsense... that turns out to be completely true.

The lengths some people will go to in order to shill Russian gas diplomacy...
Bronekokoshka, I see you are as reeing as ever.

Yup, turning coal into gas, because it is so efficient,like converting it to oil.

Just ask Hitler, the SS and the Werma ht circa WWII...oh wait.

:ROFLMAO:
It's efficient enough that notoriously cheap China does it for 75% of their massive ammonia production. Oh the irony, China backstabs even Russian shilling efforts.
 
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Yes, i found a solution to your retarded claim, how fucking dumb you have to be to go around picking this odd subject of chemical engineering, even in unrelated threads, and bragging about how you caught me saying crazy nonsense... that turns out to be completely true.

The lengths some people will go to in order to shill Russian gas diplomacy...
>Hurr-durr, ree, MUH RUSSIAAAHHH!
It's efficient enough that notoriously cheap China does it for 75% of their massive ammonia production.
I mean, it is not the first time the Chinese have massively subsidized stuff and it is not like we rightwing anti-communists should be against state run commie enterprises or anything....

However, inefficient or not, fertilzier production is one of the areas I am fine with subsidies in order to keep the production steady and under sovereign control.So, yeah, that is one area that inefficiency is permitted.

Meanwhile, in the actually capitalist world NG is king of ammonia production:

Major Ammonia Producing Companies and Their Capacities - IAMM

A driving factor in this challenge is the rising natural gas prices. Natural gas serves as feedstock for ammonia production. When natural gas prices reached their peak in 2022, several European ammonia plants shut down due to profitability issues. At the peak, production was decreased by 67 percent. The challenge is, the demand for ammonia increased during that period.

Look dude, we all know you are petty and spiteful, but can you at least shut the fuck up once and stop spamming threads.

Your Chikagomestowski polski autizm and viciousness will not win over the Balkan autizm and viciousness , but unlike some people I do have better things to do with my life than talk to you like we are a married couple that became so because of a shotgun wedding.

Go drink your damned pills!
 
3) The sovereign assets of a large nation state are just that, sovereign. There is no precedent for doing what the neocuck financial and legal illiterates want, and the have been warned against it repeatedly
Legally, what's the distinction you're drawing between seizing the assets of a sovereign government and seizing the assets of a business under the protection of a sovereign government?
Like for example when he tried to claim that the Haber process can be done with coal.
So now that you agree that he was correct to claim this, did he also (wrongly) claim that it was competitive with methods such as using natural gas?
 
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Look dude, we all know you are petty and spiteful, but can you at least shut the fuck up once and stop spamming threads.
You brought it up, repeatedly, even in unrelated threads, so eat your crow, like the fucktard you are.
Meanwhile, in the actually capitalist world NG is king of ammonia production:

Major Ammonia Producing Companies and Their Capacities - IAMM
So we went with you trying to dab on me that this is impossible to trying to argue whether China subsidizes it or not, great.
Actual capitalist world has a problem with green retards so i suspect that even if it was more cost efficient it would still not be done there because muh coal.
Your Chikagomestowski polski autizm and viciousness will not win over the Balkan autizm and viciousness , but unlike some people I do have better things to do with my life than talk to you like we are a married couple that became so because of a shotgun wedding.

Go drink your damned pills!
Go drink and stick to it because that's all you are good for.
 
You brought it up, repeatedly, even in unrelated threads, so eat your crow, like the fucktard you are.
Coal gasification - Wikipedia
Historically, coal was gasified to produce coal gas, also known as "town gas". Coal gas is combustible and was used for heating and municipal lighting, before the advent of large-scale extraction of natural gas from oil wells.

Congratulations, would you like us to stop using fossil fuels all together and switch back to whaleoil next?
And I will repost my previous response for you oh you enjoyed od inefficient and oversized Commie industries :D

A driving factor in this challenge is the rising natural gas prices. Natural gas serves as feedstock for ammonia production. When natural gas prices reached their peak in 2022, several European ammonia plants shut down due to profitability issues. At the peak, production was decreased by 67 percent. The challenge is, the demand for ammonia increased during that period.
> It Muh Chinaaaa...!!!

Go drink and stick to it because that's all you are good for.
Why drink when I can get off of the endorphins I get shen I watch you ree and be two-faced and try to "win" by being the biggest and most butthuet spammer. :ROFLMAO:
 
Legally, what's the distinction you're drawing between seizing the assets of a sovereign government and seizing the assets of a business under the protection of a sovereign government?
One is not a de facto act of war or an international incident involving sovereign states.
So now that you agree that he was correct to claim this, did he also (wrongly) claim that it was competitive with methods such as using natural gas?
Don't care he was obviously too lazy to google a defense of his thesis back then, and he is trying to claim that gasification of coal is the same as using coal in tje process itself.
And given that out discussion was about economics that is two layers of unfinished homework for him. :ROFLMAO:
 
Coal gasification - Wikipedia


Congratulations, would you like us to stop using fossil fuels all together and switch back to whaleoil next?
And I will repost my previous response for you oh you enjoyed od inefficient and oversized Commie industries :D


> It Muh Chinaaaa...!!!


Why drink when I can get off of the endorphins I get shen I watch you
Wow a whole post of childish whining, but what did i expect. Yes, i do know what coal gasification is, but it's a no-no in modern Europe anyway because of the emissions and green hate of coal mining and industries based on it.
ree and be two-faced and try to "win" by being the biggest and most butthuet spammer. :ROFLMAO:
Projection much?
 
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Wow a whole post of childish whining, but what did i expect. Yes, i do know what coal gasification is, but it's a no-no in modern Europe anyway because of the emissions and green hate of coal mining and industries based on it.

Projection much?
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Heh, Russian domestic airlines can barely function with the sanctions we've slapped on them; they cannot do the needed maintenance and repairs to many, many planes.

Edit: Even better news:


So looks like the UK is giving Ukraine security guarantees, good till they are allowed into NATO once Russian forces are removed from Ukraine's lands.
 
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Heh, Russian domestic airlines can barely function with the sanctions we've slapped on them; they cannot do the needed maintenance and repairs to many, many planes.


Its going to take much more then that to bring Russia to the table.

Were talking about a country with an astounding tolerance for pain.
 
Its going to take much more then that to bring Russia to the table.

Were talking about a country with an astounding tolerance for pain.
Russia will come to the table once Putin is dead.

That's what most western govs have now realized, that until Putin is gone, the Russians won't leave Ukraine's lands.

So right now the west is trying to figure out how to deal with the post-Putin Kremlin, because once that fucktard is dead, a lot of things become easier.
 
Russia will come to the table once Putin is dead.

That's what most western govs have now realized, that until Putin is gone, the Russians won't leave Ukraine's lands.

So right now the west is trying to figure out how to deal with the post-Putin Kremlin, because once that fucktard is dead, a lot of things become easier.

once he dies there is every possibility the country will spiral into civil war.

Putin essentially purged any possible successor and all of the remaining yes men are far less capable then him. The pool of available leadership is so small that his death would cause a succession crisis.
 

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