You did and you lie about it now.I haven't made that claim anywhere, though.
So are the Ukrainian losses much higher than UAlosses claim or not? If not, then the source is not comprehensive.Except UALosses does not visit cemeteries or graveyards like Mediazona does, and directly state, as I quoted, that real Ukrainian losses are much higher. Ukrainian data is completely unreliable and has never been supported by Western estimates, either, so we can toss that out.
If you'd like to discuss Western estimates, please elucidate what they are.
How can i confirm it? If i had access to such solid data, i would not risk going to prison to try convince you by posting classified data.Because they're backed up by solid data that you can confirm, as opposed to unknown officials claiming something off the record?
So are you, and i reserve the right to sow doubt about your sources on the forum.If you don't care, then why are you replying? You are free to stop this dialogue at anytime.
Do they regularly go to all the graveyards in Russia? I'd like to see hard evidence of that, because logistically that would be a quite notable operation.To respond, however, we luckily benefit from Mediazona going to graves and pulling from official government announcements too, so even if a family doesn't post about a loss or there's limited means to in a random Oblast, they can still find the grave or a register of the loss at another level.
But the question in the poll is "relatives and friends" not "people known closely".That's an interesting claim, can I see a citation for that? Because the average American knows only 8 to 9 people closely, so I'm very curious to hear how Ukraine is so different.
The average person probably could figure out 9 first and second cousins alone and those count as relatives.
So pox upon you for trying to employ statistical wizardry 101 against all the readers.
I'm not trusting google translate crap, sorry. The translation of "close relatives" given there probably has slightly different meaning in Ukraine than you think, if it's anything like in Polish, this would translate simply to "family and friends".You didn't ask for the link, but here you go for the most recent survey. You should also remember I am not the topic of this thread.
They do not report losses at all, they report number of people who know someone who got killed. You are trying more statistical wizardry, which does not constitute data. If everyone knows 200 people, and 25 million Ukrainians in Ukraine know at least one person who died, that could well mean 125k total civilian and military deaths, not unrealistic.Except the Western and Central regions of Ukraine are nowhere near the frontline, but report the highest losses. In fact, this claim makes even less sense when you look at the data:
So no, the frontline regions can't explain it when they only account for 9% of the Pre-War population, yet 63% of the population in total knows someone who died.
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