Transgender Athletes in Sports

evilchumlee said:
I don't that I word it quite like that, but I agree in sentiment.

Reactionary extremists are never a good thing and sometimes people/groups can push too hard. They are currently pushing way too hard.

My litmus test for rights is that I believe in doing anything you want, until it infringes on another. Biological men in sports specifically protected for biological women is just fundamentally wrong. What gender one is expressing is irrelevant in that regard.

I would be completely ok and supportive of a trans/open category for sports. Let's get on that.

I think i'm a pretty reasonable, progressive guy. Trans women are women... in most aspects of life. But also there is the reality that trans women are... trans women, not just "women" full stop. It usually doesn't matter. One a few occasions, it does.
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They had a trans category at a recent swim meet I watched a video about and the trans refused to enter still entering as women instead. This is the issue,society at large is fairly willing to be reasonable but the trans people continue to refuse to be.
 
mandragon said:
They had a trans category at a recent swim meet I watched a video about and the trans refused to enter still entering as women instead. This is the issue,society at large is fairly willing to be reasonable but the trans people continue to refuse to be.
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Because they knew they'd be either going up against people of the same comparable fitness (men) or people biologically stronger than them (men). It's the reason why a lot of sports-orientated trans-trenders "transitioned" in the first place (like "Lia" Thomas).

For the former, competing against men would be against why they Trended: They were too much of a fucking loser to make it in the actual men's leagues; going from number nine to number one in one leap because your opponents are biologically weaker is a power and ego trip for them.

For the latter, women Trending to men would still be at a severe biologically disadvantage to "Jane", who is basically a dude-in-a-wig; taking testosterone for even a few years don't change the facts that their muscles, hearts, et cetera will never be as strong/capable as a biological male's, despite what groomers like to advocate. They're still women at their core.

So, yeah: Either having the metaphorical shit kicked out of them would shatter their ego, or they know they'd lose anyway (or at worst, know that their little fantasy of being a man-from-a-woman would be cracked harder than the CCP on protestors' skulls).
 
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evilchumlee said:
Got a source on that?



Could the higher suicide rates not have something to do with, despite getting gender affirming care, they are still seen some kind of disgusting, crazy monster by alot of people?

Now... here's where I feel like i'm more moderate on this because I don't know how to solve that. They suffer alot of issues because despite getting gender affirming care, many people still don't affirm their gender. But... I also very strongly believe... too bad? It's nobody else's responsibility to play along with you.

If somebody wants to get surgery for whatever? Again, who am I to tell them no? But... at the same time... nobody has any obligation to go along them. If they get surgery to look like a dog and want to be a dog, nobody else has any responsibility to treat them as a dog.



To be completely honest, if someone wants to cut off their arm... let them? It's their body.

Anorexia is a different situation. I draw the line at anything life threatening. Weight loss surgery for an anorexic would be a life threatening procedure.

If somebody wants to mutlitate their body... whatever? Why do we care?

I'm sick of EVERYONE talking about trans people to be honest. They're an incredibly small percentage of the population and take WAY too much brain real estate anymore. I just... don't care. I don't care what they do to their bodies and I don't understand why anyone else does. The only time I care about anything trans related is when they demand special treatment, and that's something I always care about regardless of the group who is demanding special treatment.
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They're talked about ecause they openly,constantly,and loudly demand special treatment?
 
evilchumlee said:
Got a source on that?
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Several; if you want examples of people pretending to be trans for personal gain, just browse through this very thread. As for those being brainwash, I could point you to several stories of children too young to know better being told by adults that they're trans because they don't strictly adhere to their gender's stereotypes; or people who, later in life, realized that they weren't actually trans and are now trying to detransition (which incidentally tends to net them horrific treatment from the trans community).
 
evilchumlee said:
Got a source on that?
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"Lia" Thomas himself is pretty much a living, talking, walking source.

The guy was too much of a fucking loser to actually be successful in the men's competitive scene, so he called himself a woman and got into the women's scene.

What a surprise! He not only dominated because he's a fucking man, he also wrongfully stole the achievements of numerous female swimmers who put blood, sweat, and tears into their lives' goal. Worse still, these swimmers who called out this bullshit got openly harassed by hordes of trans-trender drones and Groomers United weirdos.

I guarantee you that if people called for him to actually have his nuts chopped off, and to go through with transition mutilation, he'd balk and make some excuse to not go through with it all.

He's an opportunistic loser. Nothing else.
 
Jormungandr said:
I guarantee you that if people called for him to actually have his nuts chopped off, and to go through with transition mutilation, he'd balk and make some excuse to not go through with it all.

He's an opportunistic loser. Nothing else.
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Not every trans persons end goal is to undergo surgery.

I somehow doubt somebody went through all of that to... place better in college swimming?

Although I do agree, that should not be allowed. Sports are gendered for biological reasons, therefore it's the biological sex that matters. The argument over gender is that "it's a social construct", which... yeah, that's true... but we don't gender sports for uniform purposes, we do it for performance purposes.
 
evilchumlee said:
Not every trans persons end goal is to undergo surgery.

I somehow doubt somebody went through all of that to... place better in college swimming?

Although I do agree, that should not be allowed. Sports are gendered for biological reasons, therefore it's the biological sex that matters. The argument over gender is that "it's a social construct", which... yeah, that's true... but we don't gender sports for uniform purposes, we do it for performance purposes.
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Athletes are incredibly competitive, and male athletes can be so to the extreme, they go so far as to draw their own blood to re-inject it into themselves before a competition.

The fact that you doubt someone would go through all of this just shows you don't know much about competitive sports. It also shows your ignorance in regards to the financial rewards for winning said competitions.

Lia Thomas stole scholarships from his female competitors.
 
Ixian said:
Athletes are incredibly competitive, and male athletes can be so to the extreme, they go so far as to draw their own blood to re-inject it into themselves before a competition.

The fact that you doubt someone would go through all of this just shows you don't know much about competitive sports. It also shows your ignorance in regards to the financial rewards for winning said competitions.
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As much as I respect those who want to be fit. Stuff like the above is why I have a hard time taking professional competitive sports seriously.
 
Grimalkin said:
You have to socialize your child early, really hammer in both its gender identity and its moral system too, preferably before the age of four. If you want to reinforce something you should provide, if you want to discourage something you should deprive both the child and yourself.

Punishing only the child will simply create resentment, punishing yourself along with the child will create a camaraderie and will add a psychological dimension to the negative reinforcement.

Most of these people weren't born this way, they just weren't socialized properly at a young enough age. If your child shows warning signs, you should correct it with behavioural therapy and operant conditioning.

When it comes to negative reinforcement or punishment, you should always share in the punishment, i.e if you punish your child you should simultaneously punish yourself. Humans are empathic creatures and sharing in suffering is better, if only one party is suffering it'll only create bitterness and resentment.

Positive reinforcement is simpler, just reinforce the desired behaviour by rewarding it quickly.
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Let me guess: Riley Gaines has triggered the Uppity Left.
 
evilchumlee said:
Not every trans persons end goal is to undergo surgery.

I somehow doubt somebody went through all of that to... place better in college swimming?

Although I do agree, that should not be allowed. Sports are gendered for biological reasons, therefore it's the biological sex that matters. The argument over gender is that "it's a social construct", which... yeah, that's true... but we don't gender sports for uniform purposes, we do it for performance purposes.
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🤣 You don't know too many athletes do you. Many of them absolutely would do something that would cause long term harm if it meant short term competitive advantage. They would also absolutely cheat if they could get away with it.
 
49ersfootball said:
Grimes is NOT wrong for defending Women's sports you know & she's not the only one standing up to this WOKE nonsense in NCAA athletics.
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But she is in the minority, I largely don't care about this issue because it's mostly happening to people who deserve it. Every single swimmer who isn't standing up to this fucking deserves to get dunked on by Lia Thomas.

If they're unable to even stand up for their own self interests, then they fucking deserve everything that's coming to them.
 
Grimalkin said:
But she is in the minority, I largely don't care about this issue because it's mostly happening to people who deserve it. Every single swimmer who isn't standing up to this fucking deserves to get dunked on by Lia Thomas.

If they're unable to even stand up for their own self interests, then they fucking deserve everything that's coming to them.
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The same "Lia Thomas", who showed his private parts before naked women when changing inside the Women's locker-room ?
 
49ersfootball said:
The same "Lia Thomas", who showed his private parts before naked women when changing inside the Women's locker-room ?
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Yup, most of the naked women didn't stand up and thus they fucking deserved it. If they're adults then they should have agency, and if they're allowing men to invade their spaces they deserve the consequences.

Riley and people like her are the exception, not the rule.
 
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