Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

Marduk said:
Your mistake here is that you are trying to think through this situation as if Hamas was controlled by rational political actors, rather than a the closest real case of an actual death cult, be it their own own or their enemies. As far as they are concerned, the idea of martyrdom is as valuable as death of their enemies, and suddenly it all makes sense.
Just listen to them:
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Funny how everyone who isn't on the West’s side seems to not be a 'rational actor' by your standards. Just saying.

Which is part of why it’s a head scratcher. You’d think they’d want to maximize the amount of their enemies they take with them to their ‘martyrdom’.

Also, it’s not as if some of that stuff isn't that far off from what (we) Christians believe, just through a far more militant lens.

Case in point:

John 15:18-19
18 "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
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I'm goign to quote a post i made later on this to help explain myself better here just to make my stance here as clear as i can.

Obviously I need to explain my point on this better and spell out what I mean. Mostly because I was in a hurry and though what I'd posted was clear enough. But I digress.

I was talking about the sense that how we Christians are told not to fear death, especially a martyr's death.

Now, obviously, Islam/Hamas differs from Christianity in the fact that their view of a martyr's death involves killing as many enemies of the false deity Allah as possible. Along with the fact that their religion is much more approving when it comes to the subject of atrocities against other human beings. Which is not good. Obviously.

Nor was i calling Islam a sect of Christianity. I'm not sure where people got that one from, but that's a whole different level of incorrect.
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Furthermore, i was also drawing comparisons between how Christianity was thought of as a 'death cult' because of its willingness to embrace martyrdom by the ancient Romans.
 
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DarthOne said:
No, your where replying to @Navarro, and the both of you were talking about the arguments being made by @King Arts and myself. So your were talking about our perspective. Stop playing innocent and dumb, no one is falling for it.



Bring it on.




And given what monsters Hamas seem to be, they certainly deserve it.



And explain to me why that makes this okay. Seriously, explain this to me.

Why should us Westerners be held to blame for stuff our ancestors did that we have no control over?

Or is wanting to stay out of a war between Israel and its neighbors ‘anti-semitism’ now?



Don’t know. Probably in all those nations not in the Middle East that don’t explicitly hate their guts.

Why is Israel and it’s safety the West’s responsibility? As far as I know, the West hasn’t signed a binding and unbreakable treaty that pledges us to defend Israel.

If anything, given how previous Western interference has made things more difficult for Israel, it’s all the more reason we should stay out of it.


I’m not so sure.

To play Devil’s advocate here: what does Israel lose from this?

For a comparative handful of lives, many from foreign nations, Israel gets massive advantages. Any sympathy towards Palestine from within their nation is gone. Same goes for most other nations towards Palestine.

In exchange for a bloody nose and temporary embarrassment, Israel get a 9/11 -type rallying point for their people and sympathetic Western powers and peoples. Those same foreign politicians will send Israel money, weapons, aid and maybe even troops to fight in the war for Israel.

Israel also gets to finally and possibly definitely deal with issues that have been plaguing them for decades. Issues that many Western governments held them back on out of a desire, misplaced it might have been, to have peace and co existence between Israel and Palestine.

Now Israel gets let off ‘the leash’ so to speak. As Hamas has given them plenty of justification*. And anyone -in or out of Israel- who questions any of this gets made to look bad.

Even if Israel or various people haven’t lied about anything, this conflict stands ready to give Israel pretty much everything they ‘want’ in regards to Gaza and the like. At least that’s my understanding for this hypothetical.

As I said this is a hypothetical look at the situation Israel is in and at current events. Israel is a small nation surrounded by those who hate its existence.

*assuming that things like the water pipes mentioned above are true. There is a reason why it is said truth is the first casualty in war. And it’s not as if Israel hasn’t (allegedly) lied about stuff in the past. (See below-note that the video came out 5 months ago).

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I'm not going to play this stupid game where we pretend Hamas thinks like westerners do, and where people try to 'both sides' this situation.

You have gone so far down the Tard-Right rabbit hole. @DarthOne, it's pointless to have any sort of meaningful debate with you, instead of just mock you.

All this edgy, contrarian bullshit that parts of the Right spew about Israel and Jews is disgusting.
 
Bacle said:
I'm not going to play this stupid game where we pretend Hamas thinks like westerners do, and where people try to 'both sides' this situation.

You have gone so far down the Tard-Right rabbit hole. @DarthOne, it's pointless to have any sort of meaningful debate with you, instead of just mock you.

All this edgy, contrarian bullshit that parts of the Right spew about Israel and Jews is disgusting.
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Translation:



Okay, have a nice day.
 
TheRejectionist said:
Basically what @PsihoKekec said but in meme format :

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You're group said the same thing about Bucha. Fuck you lot. I've seen too many decapitated children and grandparents since the attack. On Facebook, Twitter and other social media with the Hamas taunting the family directly.
 
Bacle said:


Well isn't that great, Jewish children are being advised to hide the fact they are Jewish because of the stupidity of the people who keep simping for jihadi's and trying to import them to other nations.
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You say that like those scum haven’t been doing that for years now. Or that they are that discriminatory when it comes to attack non-Muslims. Still, I agree that we never should have allowed those barbarians into our nations and we need to throw them out.
 
DarthOne said:
Funny how everyone who isn't on the West’s side seems to not be a 'rational actor' by your standards. Just saying.
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>everyone
>literal jihadi terror org

China for example is definitely way closer to a rational actor than Hamas.

I find your extreme efforts to defend "everyone who isn't on the West's side" as disgusting as leftist's attitudes towards their own countries and their enemies for the record, for it is in principle the same thing.
DarthOne said:
Which is part of why it’s a head scratcher. You’d think they’d want to maximize the amount of their enemies they take with them to their ‘martyrdom’.
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They sure do, and they did take quite a lot with them this time. If you think they could have killed more, i'm sure they would be interested in your armchair terrorist advice.
DarthOne said:
Also, it’s not as if some of that stuff isn't that far off from what (we) Christians believe, just through a far more militant lens.

Case in point:
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I'll leave it to resident believing Christians to be properly outraged about this comparison.
 
Navarro said:
If anything that should end the meme that this is about le "occupation". Hamas slaughtered Palestinian sympathisers, slaughtered Southeast Asians who had nothing to do with this, even slaughtered local Bedouins and Israeli Arabs. They just want to genocide all in their path.
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Actually I doubt it will end anything, and from the "protests" coming from BLM and the like already, this is bearing out. The thing is, these people never let truth get in the way of their narrative. They will ignore or gloss over those people who had nothing to do with it getting killed, even those people who were basically like themselves.
 
Marduk said:
>everyone
>literal jihadi terror org

China for example is definitely way closer to a rational actor than Hamas.

I find your extreme efforts to defend "everyone who isn't on the West's side" as disgusting as leftist's attitudes towards their own countries and their enemies for the record, for it is in principle the same thing.
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How is pointing out that everyone who you in particular dislike gets called an ‘irrational actor’ equivalent to ‘defending them’!?

Marduk said:
They sure do, and they did take quite a lot with them this time. If you think they could have killed more, i'm sure they would be interested in your armchair terrorist advice.
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You are just determined to take anything I say and twist it, aren’t you?

Marduk said:
I'll leave it to resident believing Christians to be properly outraged about this comparison.
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I am one of our resident Christians, so I’ll kindly advise you to butt off and polish up your reading comprehension.
 
DarthOne said:
How is pointing out that everyone who you in particular dislike gets called an ‘irrational actor’ equivalent to ‘defending them’!?
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Because you are spreading doubt about their crimes against civilians in some wink wink nod nod scheme to blame Israel. That is a form of defense.

DarthOne said:
You are just determined to take anything I say and twist it, aren’t you?


I am one of our resident Christians, so I’ll kindly advise you to butt off and polish up your reading comprehension.
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One who has a problem with me saying bad things about the enemies of the West, so a very questionable one.
 
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