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I actually doubt we'll see fallback on race.

Despite what white nationalists and those adjacent to them would have you believe, much of the criminality and other stats that are often attributed by them to "not being white" have a stronger correlation with both economic status and, more importantly, parental marriage status. The disconnect in crime rates between major white and black areas historically really only began to appear in the 1960s and 1970s, when the destruction of the Black Family really got underway due to government intervention. As lower economic status whites have gone down the same path, we've been seeing a rise in criminality in poor white areas as well across the country, as well as the rise in drug use and similar issues we saw in the 1980s black communities.

Thomas Sowell goes over a lot of this at great length, and there's also research showing that the greatest indicator of the success of a child isn't their sex, race, or even parental economic status, it's their parent's MARITIAL status that is the biggest indicator. Yes, coming from a stable, two-parent household is the largest single factor in the success of a person.

What this means is, assuming the backlash is at least partial rational and driven by the "forbidden research" is that race... race won't be an issue. The Sexual Revolution though, that is likely going to be seen as the root of all decay. No fault divorce and hedonistic sexual morality will be what is pushed back against most strongly.

Culturally what this means is that there will be a push for marriage, likely young, with the expectation of long term commitment. This may or may not include same-sex marriage, I'm honestly not sure, I could see it going either way. No fault divorce will be looked at as suspicious and may get rolled back, though likely not to the extreme it was before no fault laws were put in place (look, as much as I dislike no fault divorce laws, there's a reason they were put in place BEFORE the Sexual Revolution, prior divorce laws were arguably to restrictive and difficult for abuse victims to navigate).

If there is one thing that could be done to heal the West it would be to reconstitute the traditional family. Governmentally, incentives to be single beyond about 25 should be removed, perhaps even penalized. Increase taxes on households that file singly and are childless and decrease taxes on married filing jointly households. Increase child tax credits dramatically, as in at minimum $10k per child (up to four children, then diminishing after) but only for married households.
 
I actually doubt we'll see fallback on race.

Despite what white nationalists and those adjacent to them would have you believe, much of the criminality and other stats that are often attributed by them to "not being white" have a stronger correlation with both economic status and, more importantly, parental marriage status. The disconnect in crime rates between major white and black areas historically really only began to appear in the 1960s and 1970s, when the destruction of the Black Family really got underway due to government intervention. As lower economic status whites have gone down the same path, we've been seeing a rise in criminality in poor white areas as well across the country, as well as the rise in drug use and similar issues we saw in the 1980s black communities.

Thomas Sowell goes over a lot of this at great length, and there's also research showing that the greatest indicator of the success of a child isn't their sex, race, or even parental economic status, it's their parent's MARITIAL status that is the biggest indicator. Yes, coming from a stable, two-parent household is the largest single factor in the success of a person.

What this means is, assuming the backlash is at least partial rational and driven by the "forbidden research" is that race... race won't be an issue. The Sexual Revolution though, that is likely going to be seen as the root of all decay. No fault divorce and hedonistic sexual morality will be what is pushed back against most strongly.

Race? In the media mainstream definition of race, sure, at least to large degree. In the more reasonable one, where "race" is often abused as a "bad sounding" term to mean ethnicity and the inherent cultural content of the term that for vast majority of people is correlated with race, that's a much bigger can of worms.
Marriage rates and patterns... they are a simple and easy way to measure cultural differences by proxy, but they are only one part of such differences.
A massive amount of identity politics pushed now in USA are based on tactical exploitation of confusion between race, culture, and ethnic combinations thereof (which are not technically linked but in practice correlate for a large amount of people) for own benefit without saying it openly.
Culturally what this means is that there will be a push for marriage, likely young, with the expectation of long term commitment. This may or may not include same-sex marriage, I'm honestly not sure, I could see it going either way. No fault divorce will be looked at as suspicious and may get rolled back, though likely not to the extreme it was before no fault laws were put in place (look, as much as I dislike no fault divorce laws, there's a reason they were put in place BEFORE the Sexual Revolution, prior divorce laws were arguably to restrictive and difficult for abuse victims to navigate).

If there is one thing that could be done to heal the West it would be to reconstitute the traditional family. Governmentally, incentives to be single beyond about 25 should be removed, perhaps even penalized. Increase taxes on households that file singly and are childless and decrease taxes on married filing jointly households. Increase child tax credits dramatically, as in at minimum $10k per child (up to four children, then diminishing after) but only for married households.
It's... a start. An unfeasible one though, for the very same reason we have arrived at this problem pretty much all over the western world. It started with "state paternalism" caring about the plight of single mothers, which, far enough in history, was some serious and real plight. But no one cares about the social scare factor of that plight and its effect on culture. Fast forward to the age of modern welfare states and the plight is generously alleviated by the state, if not to even favor it in some most ridiculous (and left leaning of course) cases, to the cheering of all the bleeding hearts, who will never allow that to go away. They will instantly demand that if anything, single mothers should receive at very least equal benefits, if not superior ones, for their perceived needs are greater. This sort of attitude, combined with feminism, divorce politics and related factors, are also in effect what is undermining marriage. After all, a marriage, legally speaking, is a contract that carries contains duties and benefits. But why bother if the state ensures that women can have most of the benefits but no duties that marriage brings with itself through alimony/child support with increasingly effective enforcement, welfare and assorted "strong independent women" laws including affirmative action policies when push comes to shove? All this is a pile of small factors that make marriage redundant if not inferior in some ways, reducing the value proposition it carries in relative terms (to lack of marriage).

Disregarding the political near-impossibility of it, returning to the "harsh world" of pre-modern welfare/nanny state legal systems would definitely make marriage more popular even without a single dollar in tax credits or penalties being involved. But the same cultural-political factors that make this near-impossible would sabotage the marriage tax credit based system, in the same ways and for the same reasons.

And besides that, though that's less regarding marriages in themselves but economics of childbearing (still that's obviously supposed to be a factor in marriage related decisions), the massive economic difference between pre-modern and modern developed countries is that for most of human history children were, economically speaking, an investment.
As in, having a child would cost some extra food and labor for first few years, but nearing teens the child would gradually turn into a provider of labor that is cheaper and more trustworthy than a random hired stranger, which was especially convenient as vast majority of pre-modern people were agriculturalists of some sort, and that always could use more labor, while provided abovementioned food at "in house" cost. Conveniently it was nearly always the rural farmer populations that provided at least the vast majority of population growth, while cities, even before feminism, sexual revolution and socialism were at best roughly population neutral, and more often, population sinks.

Add all the discussed modern factors, costs of modern childbearing, and low usefulness if not illegality of using children in labor (those paying attention even noticed how teenager labor in the currently very small population of farmers makes leftists grimace in outrage that it's still legal), and the conclusion is that for 80-95% of population childbearing is not an investment anymore, but a luxury, which has massive implications for the behavior of people, particularly the intelligent, responsible and long term planning kind - convincing them to have 0-2 children quite effectively, and in case of developed countries, on demographic scale that leads to fertility rates of 1.2-1.8 children per woman, rather than the ideal 2.0-2.5 kind.
 
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I actually doubt we'll see fallback on race.

Despite what white nationalists and those adjacent to them would have you believe, much of the criminality and other stats that are often attributed by them to "not being white" have a stronger correlation with both economic status and, more importantly, parental marriage status. The disconnect in crime rates between major white and black areas historically really only began to appear in the 1960s and 1970s, when the destruction of the Black Family really got underway due to government intervention. As lower economic status whites have gone down the same path, we've been seeing a rise in criminality in poor white areas as well across the country, as well as the rise in drug use and similar issues we saw in the 1980s black communities.

Thomas Sowell goes over a lot of this at great length, and there's also research showing that the greatest indicator of the success of a child isn't their sex, race, or even parental economic status, it's their parent's MARITIAL status that is the biggest indicator. Yes, coming from a stable, two-parent household is the largest single factor in the success of a person.

What this means is, assuming the backlash is at least partial rational and driven by the "forbidden research" is that race... race won't be an issue. The Sexual Revolution though, that is likely going to be seen as the root of all decay. No fault divorce and hedonistic sexual morality will be what is pushed back against most strongly.

Culturally what this means is that there will be a push for marriage, likely young, with the expectation of long term commitment. This may or may not include same-sex marriage, I'm honestly not sure, I could see it going either way. No fault divorce will be looked at as suspicious and may get rolled back, though likely not to the extreme it was before no fault laws were put in place (look, as much as I dislike no fault divorce laws, there's a reason they were put in place BEFORE the Sexual Revolution, prior divorce laws were arguably to restrictive and difficult for abuse victims to navigate).

If there is one thing that could be done to heal the West it would be to reconstitute the traditional family. Governmentally, incentives to be single beyond about 25 should be removed, perhaps even penalized. Increase taxes on households that file singly and are childless and decrease taxes on married filing jointly households. Increase child tax credits dramatically, as in at minimum $10k per child (up to four children, then diminishing after) but only for married households.


its a nice idea that race won't back track. However, people who've grown up seeing stuff like this happen to their friends and family...makes me doubt it.


Ethan Liming's family 'completely devastated' by verdict; jury ignored facts, attorney says


The family of Ethan Liming issued a statement Tuesday puzzling over a jury's decision that led to a jury acquittal and mistrial on involuntary manslaughter charges relating to his death last year.


By: News 5 Staff
Posted at 3:55 PM, Sep 26, 2023


The family of Ethan Liming issued a statement Tuesday puzzling over a jury's decision that led to a jury acquittal and mistrial on involuntary manslaughter charges relating to the 17-year-old's death last year.

The statement was released by the family's attorney on their behalf.

You can read the full statement below:
"The Liming Family is completely devastated by the outcome of this trial and cannot understand how three young men can get away with viciously beating their son, Ethan, to death.

Ethan didn't get a fair shot that night when three men brutally attacked him and now again Ethan did not get a fair shot in court.

They feel like Ethan has been killed again and now the Liming Family is victimized by the system and the media for publishing articles that were not only hurtful to the Liming Family, but were also simply not true.

This case had nothing to do with race when it happened. The community picked sides and in a symptom of our society, lost sight of what is simply a matter of right or wrong. Clearly the jury lost its way and the Liming Family cannot understand that if they convicted the defendants of assault and aggravated assault then what killed Ethan, the concrete? That is like saying I just happened to be holding the gun that killed someone. The Liming Family yet again was victimized by jury nullification where the jury ignored proven facts to come back with an inconsistent verdict. As their attorney, to witness the injustice, to witness the grief, the harassment, the cruel and unimaginable things said on social media reflects how broken we are as a community, as a city, and as a nation. Nothing will bring back Ethan. His death goes without justice. The people who killed Ethan go without consequence and our community remains crippled in its failure to recognize the simple concepts of fairness and compassion.

At this time the Liming Family would like to thank all those that have stood with them during these devastating times and the support and comfort they've provided."

— James A. Gutierrez esq.


On Monday, after nearly three days of deliberations, the jury hearing the case found Deshawn and Tyler Stafford not guilty of one count of involuntary manslaughter for Liming's death in the summer of 2022. The jury was unable to reach a verdict on the other involuntary manslaughter charge against Deshawn Stafford, and a mistrial was declared for that charge.

Deshawn Stafford was found guilty of aggravated assault and assault. Tyler Stafford was found guilty of assault. Both were found not guilty of a third-degree charge of involuntary manslaughter as a proximate result of committing or attempting to commit assault.

Liming died from a head injury during a fight with the brothers after he and his friends shot gel pellets at them from a toy gun while they played basketball outside the I Promise school in Akron.






7 yr-old Ethan Liming was brutally murdered outside Lebron James Promise School (Akron, Ohio) on June 2, 2022.

These 3 black thugs (aged 21 & 17) beat him up so bad that his autopsy report revealed he died from a broken neck, blunt-force head trauma, and a shoe print was left on his chest wall!

They were just found 'not guilty' of involuntary manslaughter!

After the verdict, the murderers defense attorney said "I hope this verdict allows all the folks that have suffered, that are hurting - allows them to get some kind of closure, some kind of peace."

ONLY ONE WHO SUFFERED WAS ETHAN LIMING!
THIS IS NOT JUSTICE!



It's called 'Jury Nulification', or in the hood, 'Gettin some get back'

To a defense attorney, a 'Jury of one's peers', is nothing more than finding jurors of a certain demographic, that holds the same racial animosity against the victim as the perps had.

Before the current pro-criminal inJustice System, when I lived in Wayne County, Michigan, they took most of the jury pool out of the majority black demographic of Detroit. The result was that 'Jury Nullification', and blatant racial bias by radicalized black judges, especially if the Perp was black and the Victim was White, was so over-the-top and egregious, that occasionally higher courts had to step in to reverse incredible miscarriages of justice.

Things got so bad, that they finally changed the rules, and agreed to take prospective jurors from the whole County at large, with emphasis away from Detroit and its largely anti-White population.

Today, the inJustice System, replete with Leftist anti-White DA's and Judges, seem to work together with the defense attorney's ace in the hole, being 'Jury Nullification' to both undercharge and under-sentence violent black criminals.
 


As in the US, but in a very different cultural matrix, China faced a remarkably similar percentage of women who initiated divorces (around 70%), and was able to achieve a 70% *reduction* in divorces by asking women to just cool it for a few months:

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While I noticed the data, that's not really the point.

There's a lot of people talking about race, making it an issue. Emotion is going to be the deciding factor, and when the media and social media make it an issue, people are going to respond.

How often do real race crimes happen? Doesn't matter. Nor the number of people who get special treatment based on race. The fact that it happens at all, and the narritave about it means it's going to get bigger. When blacks/asians/latinos can be obviously racist against whites, whites are going to respond.
 
It is honestly pathetic how "anti racist" the cuckasians are. And they are literally the only ones who are actually genuinely anti racist instead of just being racist towards anyone with white skin and calling it antiracism.
Race is coming back because the cuckasians are getting genocided and replaced.
 
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It is honestly pathetic how "anti racist" the cuckasians are. And they are literally the only ones who are actually genuinely anti racist instead of just being racist towards cuckasians and calling it antiracism.
Race is coming back because the cuckasians are getting genocided and replaced.
White leftists are a self-hating mistake.
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Also this data says USA should chill out on "black pride" stuff in general.
 
Honestly, my hope is that both the extreme left and the extreme right devour each other in the pendulum swing and then the normies will be left to rebuild and make things stable again. I don't see how we as a society or even a species can survive when the narrative culminates to "Everyone is out to get you so make sure you get them first."
 
Honestly, my hope is that both the extreme left and the extreme right devour each other in the pendulum swing and then the normies will be left to rebuild and make things stable again. I don't see how we as a society or even a species can survive when the narrative culminates to "Everyone is out to get you so make sure you get them first."
Eventually people will get tired of any backlash, but not before said backlash has slit a lot of throats.

As for race being a driving force, that's very likely to happen in Europe. Vast numbers of culturally incompatible refugees who refuse to assimilate and are a massive drain on welfare are a known problem. Even Sweden has completely changed course over the last few years. This attitude isn't likely to remain confined to one continent once others have an example of someone else doing it and getting some kind of result (whether it's propaganda or not).
 
Honestly, my hope is that both the extreme left and the extreme right devour each other in the pendulum swing and then the normies will be left to rebuild and make things stable again. I don't see how we as a society or even a species can survive when the narrative culminates to "Everyone is out to get you so make sure you get them first."

you don't get an agustus before a ceasar.
 
Honestly, my hope is that both the extreme left and the extreme right devour each other in the pendulum swing and then the normies will be left to rebuild and make things stable again. I don't see how we as a society or even a species can survive when the narrative culminates to "Everyone is out to get you so make sure you get them first."

And what is your definition of extreme left and right? What groups would you consider as such.
 
And what is your definition of extreme left and right? What groups would you consider as such.

Terminally online authoritarians who can't seem to mind their own business. people who want to control others because their own lives are spiraling into madness. They are mostly on the left but I have been seeing pop up more and more on the right, especially in reaction to the left.
 
you don't get an agustus before a ceasar.

except here is the thing. I've talked to people on the left. They are convinced that the right is united while the left is falling apart, in short, they see us as we see them. I don't think we are dealing with Agustus & Ceasar. I think we are dealing with a bunch of terminally online dorks trying to LARP as Agustus & Ceasar. People who learned their leadership skills essentially from myths and satirical jokes. If the LARPer's revolution does succeed I fear we will have a Nero and Musaline (One is a psychopathic manchild, the other was an incompetent fool) who fancy themselves as Agustus & Ceasar. In any case, we can't escape the fact that the Children (Not of body but of mind and discipline) shall inherit the earth and I am far from convinced that is a good thing.
 
except here is the thing. I've talked to people on the left. They are convinced that the right is united while the left is falling apart, in short, they see us as we see them. I don't think we are dealing with Agustus & Ceasar. I think we are dealing with a bunch of terminally online dorks trying to LARP as Agustus & Ceasar. People who learned their leadership skills essentially from myths and satirical jokes. If the LARPer's revolution does succeed I fear we will have a Nero and Musaline (One is a psychopathic manchild, the other was an incompetent fool) who fancy themselves as Agustus & Ceasar. In any case, we can't escape the fact that the Children (Not of body but of mind and discipline) shall inherit the earth and I am far from convinced that is a good thing.


The orgininal Ceasar started out as a Alexander Larper. In fact a lot of great leaders throughout history are often inspired by the great leaders of the past (And quite a few bad ones true) So in many cases the larpers of today may just grow into the greats of tomorrow.

Both the left and the right currently feel like their falling apart because we are in the middle of a political realinment and the political field is being resuffled. That said the old paradime of the right was killed by George Dubya bush and its now being rebuilt by trump.

The left hasn't really started its rebuilding effort but Biden has attempted to unify the entire establishment under him.

When this process is finished it will be an establishment party vrs a populist one which will be the political fight of our life times. Being an establishment party is not in an of itself a bad thing but basic competency is required to be a successful one and I'm not seeing a whole lot of that.
 
The orgininal Ceasar started out as a Alexander Larper. In fact a lot of great leaders throughout history are often inspired by the great leaders of the past (And quite a few bad ones true) So in many cases the larpers of today may just grow into the greats of tomorrow.
true, but there is a difference between "I was inspired to go to medical school by I doctor I saw on TV." Vs. "I'm qualified because I played a Doctor on TV.
When this process is finished it will be an establishment party vrs a populist one which will be the political fight of our life times. Being an establishment party is not in an of itself a bad thing but basic competency is required to be a successful one and I'm not seeing a whole lot of that.

and a populist party can sometimes not always be good. Sometimes punk movements are good at tearing down the establishment but they don't actually know how to rebuild. (See the French and Russian Revolution for details.) the problem is we have an establishment ran by people who were considered old when our parents were our age. on top of that their younger protiges are carbon copies of them. So the bad economic policies are going to continue on long after they die.
 
true, but there is a difference between "I was inspired to go to medical school by I doctor I saw on TV." Vs. "I'm qualified because I played a Doctor on TV.


and a populist party can sometimes not always be good. Sometimes punk movements are good at tearing down the establishment but they don't actually know how to rebuild. (See the French and Russian Revolution for details.) the problem is we have an establishment ran by people who were considered old when our parents were our age. on top of that their younger protiges are carbon copies of them. So the bad economic policies are going to continue on long after they die.

Not if we get rid of the their protégés as well. Or at least most of them.
 
true, but there is a difference between "I was inspired to go to medical school by I doctor I saw on TV." Vs. "I'm qualified because I played a Doctor on TV.


and a populist party can sometimes not always be good. Sometimes punk movements are good at tearing down the establishment but they don't actually know how to rebuild. (See the French and Russian Revolution for details.) the problem is we have an establishment ran by people who were considered old when our parents were our age. on top of that their younger protiges are carbon copies of them. So the bad economic policies are going to continue on long after they die.
The French Revolution did lead to a renewal with Napoleon though.
 
I can't remember where I heard it, but only five percent of women would actually never have children if left to their own devices. Many of the sinking into despair middle aged women of today were effectively pushed against their very ancient urge to procreate by a mixture of social engineering and the economy being wrecked.

The great lefty movements of emancipation declared war on human nature and have thus broken Homo Sapiens in the process.
Hence the rise of "doggy mommies",they'll deny it but that annoying purse puppy is a proxy infant.
 
As much shit give Nappy, the man helped end the maddness and took the country to the next level.
He didn’t “help”, he full stop put an end to it. Napoleon takes much that is worth salvaging from the Revolution and codifies it, whilst settling the horror in the Vendee.

He could have been Charlemagne Mk II, but he was a bit too war happy and the Revolution so spooked the rest of Europe that he was essentially trapped with its baggage.

On the subject of the thread, Bonaparte had some interesting things to say about women, none of which I think he’d have dared to say in the presence of his mother!
 

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