Russia doesn't give the smallest damn about the games right and left play in "collective west" beyond how that can be exploited for own benefit.Ah yes, the neoliberal concept that anyone who opposes them is either irrational, stupid or evil.
I know it's weird to see the neolibs having beef with someone who is actually irrational, stupid, and evil, but...Ah yes, the neoliberal concept that anyone who opposes them is either irrational, stupid or evil.
The calls for freezing the conflict come from people who knee-jerk respond like that to basically every conflict. The strange thing here isn't that people are calling for this, but that some leftists aren't calling for this kind of nonsense.
Its important to understand that neocons and neoliberals dont negotiate from a position of strength. If they have the upper hand they only accept unconditional surrender. The calls for freezing the conflict are a sign they know that they know thier position is weakening.
I wish it was true.
Its important to understand that neocons and neoliberals dont negotiate from a position of strength. If they have the upper hand they only accept unconditional surrender. The calls for freezing the conflict are a sign they know that they know thier position is weakening.
I know it's weird to see the neolibs having beef with someone who is actually irrational, stupid, and evil, but...
Well, Russia has amply demonstrated over the last sixteen months that the people running it are irrational, stupid, and evil.
The calls for freezing the conflict come from people who knee-jerk respond like that to basically every conflict. The strange thing here isn't that people are calling for this, but that some leftists aren't calling for this kind of nonsense.
I'm just hoping that Russia is driven out before they change their minds.
Sure, there's a decent-sized minority of leftists who don't react in such a way, but when we look at the history of the political left...I'm pretty left, but I've *never* had that kind of knee jerk response to conflict and I'm not changing my mind anytime soon.
I disagree that world war is inevitable -- the inherent conflicts between humans naturally occur on a local and regional scale, and it's international politics that magnifies them beyond the natural stage.War is ingrained in human society.
We are beings of conflict.
A world war WILL happen.
I think the implication is that sometime, someone, somehow will inevitably start another war, and with time the probability of that approaches 1.I disagree that world war is inevitable -- the inherent conflicts between humans naturally occur on a local and regional scale, and it's international politics that magnifies them beyond the natural stage.
Think about it -- the United States was naturally involved in the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, and various wars within our territorial sphere (1812, Spanish-American War, etc). We weren't naturally involved in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam; those were far-away conflicts that we were pulled into by politics.
Note that I'm not saying we were necessarily *wrong* to step into conflicts outside our natural sphere in order to advance our own interests, only that there was nothing *inevitable* about our involvement.
To times past, various conflicts could be considered world wars in the eyes of the populace.I disagree that world war is inevitable -- the inherent conflicts between humans naturally occur on a local and regional scale, and it's international politics that magnifies them beyond the natural stage.
Think about it -- the United States was naturally involved in the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, and various wars within our territorial sphere (1812, Spanish-American War, etc). We weren't naturally involved in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam; those were far-away conflicts that we were pulled into by politics.
Note that I'm not saying we were necessarily *wrong* to step into conflicts outside our natural sphere in order to advance our own interests, only that there was nothing *inevitable* about our involvement.
Surely you're not implying that this reaction is limited to, or originated with, neoliberalism or neoliberals?Ah yes, the neoliberal concept that anyone who opposes them is either irrational, stupid or evil.
I agree with this much, but I think that US involvement in at least some of the wars you mentioned was also "natural" given the state of international politics at the time. For world war to be avoided, the international political situation must take a form such that it is avoidable.I disagree that world war is inevitable -- the inherent conflicts between humans naturally occur on a local and regional scale, and it's international politics that magnifies them beyond the natural stage.
Sure, you could argue that a war that consumes every civilization a given person is aware of is a "world war" to that person, but that's honestly a silly standard to go by. Find a sufficiently ignorant person and an inter-city scuffle is a world war.To times past, various conflicts could be considered world wars in the eyes of the populace.
The crusades could be seen in the eyes of Europe.
I am just positive a world war will happen and is inevitableSurely you're not implying that this reaction is limited to, or originated with, neoliberalism or neoliberals?
I agree with this much, but I think that US involvement in at least some of the wars you mentioned was also "natural" given the state of international politics at the time. For world war to be avoided, the international political situation must take a form such that it is avoidable.
To keep the US out of WWII, one thing that would have had to be different is for Japan to be either willing to avoid pissing off the US enough for the latter to cut off Japan's access to critical US resources (oil), or willing to accept those consequences without going to war over it. Or I suppose a difference could have been the US not caring about one of the biggest massacres of all time happening on its doorstep (relative to the US territory the Philippines) but I doubt it.
Sure, you could argue that a war that consumes every civilization a given person is aware of is a "world war" to that person, but that's honestly a silly standard to go by. Find a sufficiently ignorant person and an inter-city scuffle is a world war.
It's true that, if not for Japan, WWI and WWII would only be "world wars" insofar as colonies around the world were dragged into their imperial masters' fights; but Japan was involved, so I don't think the lack of relatively major combat below the equator disqualifies them.
I disagree that it's inevitable, but hypothetical far-future geopolitics doesn't seem related enough to the current conflict to be worth discussing here. At least, I'm hoping you think it's inevitable because you're thinking of a long timeframe.I am just positive a world war will happen and is inevitable
Russia is such a steaming pile of shit, isn’t it? All its movements now seem to be motivated by spite instead of victory.
Except the US government has made no sign we are going to want an end.
He'll, we have made the statement that until Ukraine has all its land back, we will continue to support jt.
I take Machiavelli’s stance on conflict: there is no avoiding war. It can only be postponed to the advantage of others.
I am just positive a world war will happen and is inevitable
I know it's weird to see the neolibs having beef with someone who is actually irrational, stupid, and evil, but...
Well, Russia has amply demonstrated over the last sixteen months that the people running it are irrational, stupid, and evil.
The calls for freezing the conflict come from people who knee-jerk respond like that to basically every conflict. The strange thing here isn't that people are calling for this, but that some leftists aren't calling for this kind of nonsense.
I'm just hoping that Russia is driven out before they change their minds.
I fully think it is going to happen in our lifetimes and is inevitable.I disagree that it's inevitable, but hypothetical far-future geopolitics doesn't seem related enough to the current conflict to be worth discussing here. At least, I'm hoping you think it's inevitable because you're thinking of a long timeframe.
Because they think MAD because nukes.Calling it "spite" implies that they themselves gain nothing from it. But the poster you were responding to had just explained what they would gain from it - the long-term weakening of an enemy. Because the Great Game is not decided by one battle or another... it has been going on for centuries.
Some people in the media are talking about it. Obviously those are not the people that you take orders from.
But it would not be the first time an ally of the USA got thrown under the bus when continuing to support them became too costly.
Or to one's own advantage, depending. Jumping into a war for which you are not ready is generally considered a bad idea.
And you know.. sometimes the cause for the conflict can be resolved without anyone getting shooty.
Zach, I think lots of people have a mental block about it because they still have the brainbug that WW3 = The End.
Imagine being a right winger and repeating watermelon memes about "ANYTHING NUCLEAR BAD FOREVER" to simp for "based Russia".Irrational, stupid and vindictive? How about supplying Ukraine with fucking depleted uranium? In a conflict where tank on tank combat is rare.
It almost as if the Rainbow Empire recognises Ukraine will never regain its lost territories so they will simply poison them with heavy metals.
Issue with depleted uranium is a) heavy metal toxicity and b) it is pyrophoric. Combine these two, and long-term environmental and health hazards can be significant.Imagine being a right winger and repeating watermelon memes about "ANYTHING NUCLEAR BAD FOREVER" to simp for "based Russia".
Imagine being a right winger and repeating watermelon memes about "ANYTHING NUCLEAR BAD FOREVER" to simp for "based Russia".
You think the many thousands of tons of ex-soviet munitions being used there are made out of what, EU environmental standards fulfilling materials only?
Well if tank on tank combat is rare then they won't be fired, so what do you care. What do you care anyway, instead of being cheeky maybe tell us how eco-friendly Russian tank shells are.