Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

What people fail to understand is that all of this is just another step in something that has been going on for a long, long time. Just as during The Holodomor the Ukrainians of today were doomed to have this happen.
Nah. I think most people understand that history is a progression and events don't just occur completely free of context. Though you're positing a more deterministic model than I ascribe to. If you want to get real into that though, you can always claim it was preordained by the initial conditions of the universe, so "a long, long time" is under selling it somewhat.
 
What people fail to understand is that all of this is just another step in something that has been going on for a long, long time. Just as during The Holodomor the Ukrainians of today were doomed to have this happen.
Nope.People usually could win,if they want remain free and have brains.Holodomor would not happened,if white commanders actually cooperated.
 
Wrong.

Does it not seem odd that we were fighting Nazi Germany- an evil tyranny- but supporting the Soviet Union, another murderous tyranny?

Why did we not follow General Patton's advice, DO NOT support the Soviet Union, let Hitler and Stalin fight on the Eastern Front, then finish off the winner? Two problems solved.

The ironic part is what officially triggered the Second World War in Europe was Hitler invading Poland. What happens? It's handed over to Stalin. So the reason was for nothing.

As for wanting to be free- let's say I've been banned from places for pointing at ten-ton t-rexes. So no, people are too scared to be free. That is why I have absolutely no hope for the future and am glad I do not have that much longer to live.
 
Wrong.

Does it not seem odd that we were fighting Nazi Germany- an evil tyranny- but supporting the Soviet Union, another murderous tyranny?

Why did we not follow General Patton's advice, DO NOT support the Soviet Union, let Hitler and Stalin fight on the Eastern Front, then finish off the winner? Two problems solved.

The ironic part is what officially triggered the Second World War in Europe was Hitler invading Poland. What happens? It's handed over to Stalin. So the reason was for nothing.

As for wanting to be free- let's say I've been banned from places for pointing at ten-ton t-rexes. So no, people are too scared to be free. That is why I have absolutely no hope for the future and am glad I do not have that much longer to live.

There can be arguments made for and against the strategy to assist the USSR against Nazi Germany, but hindsight is 20/20 as they say. And the rest still remains history.

The fact though if Nazi Germany had remained in control of Europe....um, no, it wasn't for nothing. It would have led to something just as terrible if not infinitely worse. Holocaust, anyone? And it wasn't just Jews that were getting torched. Yes, some of the USSR's "policies" weren't much better, but the Nazis were focused on wholesale mass extermination and genocide, one group after another.


All that said, I'm wondering what you mean by "pointing at ten-ton t-rexes"?? You'll have to be more specific? Also, please specify what you define as "free" and why you think people are too scared to adhere to this? And why you have no hope for the future as you claim??


EDIT: Also one should point out after four years of fighting for the Americans, or six for the British, both countries were exhausted and no one was eager to keep fighting for potentially several more years against the USSR.
 
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There can be arguments made for and against the strategy to assist the USSR against Nazi Germany, but hindsight is 20/20 as they say. And the rest still remains history.

The fact though if Nazi Germany had remained in control of Europe....um, no, it wasn't for nothing. It would have led to something just as terrible if not infinitely worse. Holocaust, anyone? And it wasn't just Jews that were getting torched. Yes, some of the USSR's "policies" weren't much better, but the Nazis were focused on wholesale mass extermination and genocide, one group after another.


All that said, I'm wondering what you mean by "pointing at ten-ton t-rexes"?? You'll have to be more specific? Also, please specify what you define as "free" and why you think people are too scared to adhere to this? And why you have no hope for the future as you claim??
So by supporting the Soviet Union and thus communism we helped a tyrannical philosophy which murdered over 100 MILLION people in the 20th Century and haunts us to this day.

Somehow 100 million seems to be "wholesale slaughter."

One reason for the rise of Nazi Germany was that- if you look at a map- was that they had a front row seat to see what the Soviet Union was doing, e.g. The Holodomor, and knew that they were next. To thank us for our help we were rewarded with almost fifty years of backstabbing, and THE only reason Stalin did not take an exhausted Europe was fear of American nuclear weapons.

As for ten-ton t-rexes- sorry, but no. Been banned for it, so no.
 
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So by supporting the Soviet Union and thus communism we helped a tyrannical philosophy which murdered over 100 MILLION people in the 20th Century and haunts us to this day.

Somehow 100 million seems to be "wholesale slaughter."

One reason for the rise of Nazi Germany was that- if you look at a map- was that they had a front row seat to see what the Soviet Union was doing, e.g. The Holodomor, and knew that they were next. To thank us for our help we were rewarded with almost fifty years of backstabbing, and THE only reason Stalin did not take an exhausted Europe was fear of American nuclear weapons.

As for ten-ton t-rexes- sorry, but no. Been banned for it, so no.

Again, 20/20 hindsight. No one really knew how the Nazi/Soviet war in the East was ultimately going to play out and wondered if it was going to be even harder to dislodge the Nazis if they'd won, and they actually had a clear shot at earlier in the war as the Soviets were getting steamrolled. One can argue for and against this, but as distasteful and shitty as it sounds? Geopolitics still plays a role in the end, and politics is the art of what actually is possible, not just a wishlist of what one wants.

And if you don't want to discuss this thing about "T-rexes" in public, fine, PM me if you wish, or don't, your call.
 
So by supporting the Soviet Union and thus communism we helped a tyrannical philosophy which murdered over 100 MILLION people in the 20th Century and haunts us to this day.
I am guessing you're including the Chinese disasters in this figure, yes? If anything, the west fighting the USSR in an extended WWII could help Mao more than it hurt him. And if we're going with hypotheticals, how do we know what the KMT's body count would have been? Not zero, that's for sure.
 
Congratulations to Russia on Hitting the Goal of Ten Thousand Documented Losses of Heavy Equipment. Ukraine at the moment is just above 3100+ Losses in the Same Categories.

According to Oryx this includes:
1928 Tanks
1131 Armored Personnel Carriers/Armored Fighting Vehicles (BTR's and MTLBs etc)
2284 Infantry Fighting Vehicles (BMP's and BMD's etc)
233 MRAP's/Infantry Mobility Vehicles (Typhoons, Tigrs, Iveco Rys etc)
241 Command & Communication Vehicles
299 Engineering Vehicles
37 Self Propelled ATGM's
97 Artillery Support Vehicles
194 Towed Artillery Pieces
382 Self Propelled Artillery Vehicles
192 MLRS Vehicles
17 Anti-Aircraft Guns
24 SPAAG's
104 SAM Systems
29 Radars
31 Jammers/Deception Systems
79 Aircraft
81 Helicopters
7 UCAV's
200 UAV's
12 Naval Ships
2405 Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps



Bakhmut Update: Russians Still Making... Advances.



Increase in Previously Reported Purchases from Poland by Ukraine. Now its 150 Rosomak IFV's and 24 M120 Raks Self Propelled Mortars.



A year in and ten thousand pieces of heavy equipment lost, a quarter of a million casualties taken, and Russia is more geopolitically surrounded than ever.

What the fuck are they even doing there anymore?
 
If I were in Agent's place, I'd be seriously questioning the validity of my sources by now.

He's emotionally committed to his position, and well beyond the point of pride blocking him from admitting he's been wrong since the outlet.

At this point, I think if Putin had a 'come to Jesus' experience, admitted to the world with a public, on TV confession that the whole thing was motivated by pride and stupidity, that it's been nothing but a colossal waste of lives, Agent23 would claim it was either a deep fake or someone was holding a proverbial gun to his head.

He's made up his mind. Sources that support his position will be considered valid, and ones that don't will be considered invalid.
 
If I were in Agent's place, I'd be seriously questioning the validity of my sources by now.
He's emotionally committed to his position, and well beyond the point of pride blocking him from admitting he's been wrong since the outlet.

At this point, I think if Putin had a 'come to Jesus' experience, admitted to the world with a public, on TV confession that the whole thing was motivated by pride and stupidity, that it's been nothing but a colossal waste of lives, Agent23 would claim it was either a deep fake or someone was holding a proverbial gun to his head.

He's made up his mind. Sources that support his position will be considered valid, and ones that don't will be considered invalid.

Biden's mouthpieces point out also the Russian and Ukrainian casualties.

Not to mention why would they start an investigation on how it got leaked if those were false ?
 

Biden's mouthpieces point out also the Russian and Ukrainian casualties.

Not to mention why would they start an investigation on how it got leaked if those were false ?
It's a basic ass technique of controlled intel leaks to mix real and false materials. The professional standard is that propaganda with 60% truth mixed in is most effective.
 
It's a basic ass technique of controlled intel leaks to mix real and false materials. The professional standard is that propaganda with 60% truth mixed in is most effective.
So what's the propaganda in it ?

Because Biden's administration has major fuckups so far and they are holding the dam with stitches from what I have seen so far.
 
So what's the propaganda in it ?

Because Biden's administration has major fuckups so far and they are holding the dam with stitches from what I have seen so far.
Hard to say, that's the point. The losses don't fit with other sources, so either they use some unusual standard or methodology for them (don't think it's exactly stated), or they are the fake - especially considering the highlight on different versions with even more ridiculous figure, which would be a classic distraction move from both versions being faked to different degrees.

Overall these numbers paint the war as being almost an order of magnitude lower intensity than it otherwise appears, with both sides taking relatively small losses in infantry compared to vehicle losses, which considering the long section of war focused on trench-artillery warfare is very unlikely to be true.
So one of the involved sides put bullshit in there, and it's hard to say which, because everything is possible with sufficient incompetence of affirmative action employees too.
Another sus thing is giving only total ground vehicle losses in one table and only SAM losses in the other, what kind of comparison is this? It makes the whole thing look either suspiciously unprofessional (in which case, who the hell made it and can they be trusted with their numbers?) or cut for the sake of fakery.
 
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Wrong.

Does it not seem odd that we were fighting Nazi Germany- an evil tyranny- but supporting the Soviet Union, another murderous tyranny?

Why did we not follow General Patton's advice, DO NOT support the Soviet Union, let Hitler and Stalin fight on the Eastern Front, then finish off the winner? Two problems solved.

The ironic part is what officially triggered the Second World War in Europe was Hitler invading Poland. What happens? It's handed over to Stalin. So the reason was for nothing.

As for wanting to be free- let's say I've been banned from places for pointing at ten-ton t-rexes. So no, people are too scared to be free. That is why I have absolutely no hope for the future and am glad I do not have that much longer to live.
1.All true,USA created soviets as superpower.
2.Also true,they should finish off victor of soviet-german war.
3.Yup.If they wanted gave us to somebody,then why fight at all?
4.I think i knew few T-rex like that.

There can be arguments made for and against the strategy to assist the USSR against Nazi Germany, but hindsight is 20/20 as they say. And the rest still remains history.

The fact though if Nazi Germany had remained in control of Europe....um, no, it wasn't for nothing. It would have led to something just as terrible if not infinitely worse. Holocaust, anyone? And it wasn't just Jews that were getting torched. Yes, some of the USSR's "policies" weren't much better, but the Nazis were focused on wholesale mass extermination and genocide, one group after another.


All that said, I'm wondering what you mean by "pointing at ten-ton t-rexes"?? You'll have to be more specific? Also, please specify what you define as "free" and why you think people are too scared to adhere to this? And why you have no hope for the future as you claim??


EDIT: Also one should point out after four years of fighting for the Americans, or six for the British, both countries were exhausted and no one was eager to keep fighting for potentially several more years against the USSR.
Germans,not Nazis.And they planned to kill from 50% to 85% of all slavic nations.
But,considering that soviets genocided more then 10% of their own,USA knew that,and they still gave us to soviets - they do not cared about dead slavs.
Just like they do not cared about dead jews - FDR stopped polish emissary Karski when he said about Holocaust,and started talking about horses.

More important - who say anything about long fighting? just stop delivering Lend-lease,bomb their armies,destroy refineries in Baku,and retreat from one german river to another till soviets would be out of fuel.
Then send fleet to Baltic and Poland where people waited for liberation,and cut soviet armies.

They could fight on foot,sure - but tanks and planes still needed fuel.

So by supporting the Soviet Union and thus communism we helped a tyrannical philosophy which murdered over 100 MILLION people in the 20th Century and haunts us to this day.

Somehow 100 million seems to be "wholesale slaughter."

One reason for the rise of Nazi Germany was that- if you look at a map- was that they had a front row seat to see what the Soviet Union was doing, e.g. The Holodomor, and knew that they were next. To thank us for our help we were rewarded with almost fifty years of backstabbing, and THE only reason Stalin did not take an exhausted Europe was fear of American nuclear weapons.

As for ten-ton t-rexes- sorry, but no. Been banned for it, so no.
Only reason why soviets not attacked was Sralin death.If his cronies do not murder him,we would have WW3 about 1956 year.Pity,that it never happened.

P.S HAPPY EASTER !!!!!!!
 
Casualty Estimates from the War Leaked.



Unlike the earlier leaked numbers, these ones haven't apparently been poor edited by 'tards.

IF reasonably accurate... oof Ukraine + reddit's 170k+ Russians killed claims and any reasonable hope of running Russia out of 'front line' manpower.
 

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