Versus Match Triple Alien Alliance in 40k

Vyor said:

The bottom one is a farseer, they don't get into melee combat. Or combat at all. They stay on their craftworld reading the future for how to best deploy the Anal Destroyer 5000 on your backline.

The other 2 are dark eldar scouts. They are not frontline combatants, they assassinate and ambush people. While they can fight more armored opponents and win they aren't specialized in it.

Click to expand...

Ah yes the Farseers will see their respective asses getting kicked like when the Tyranids kick them

Vyor said:

So how does that react to shields and things that are smaller and more maneuverable than space ships?

Click to expand...

It's not meant for hitting fast targets it's mass produced artillery. The Locusts handle the dog fighting


Can compete with the Defender Jets which reach high atmosphere in 9 minutes


So likely Mach 53.

So basically the Eldar cry themselves to sleep about how slow they are.

Vyor said:

Wait, we know the answer: they die because the humans from that fictional universe kill them by landing soldiers and shooting at them from the ground while in power armor.

Cease your bullshittery.

Click to expand...

Those same soldiers would bend the Eldars over the table tho in ground combat, the Arachnids can at least stalemate the soldiers.

Scooby Doo said:

Ah yes the Farseers will see their respective asses getting kicked like when the Tyranids kick them

Click to expand...

When did they actually lose to nids?

Scooby Doo said:

It's not meant for hitting fast targets it's mass produced artillery. The Locusts handle the dog fighting

Click to expand...

Who... said anything about air combat here? You said that the artillery would kill anything less armored than a titan, the tanks and power armored soldiers I showed are less armored than a titan and are entirely capable of murderfucking the artillery because said artillery can't hit them.

As for said air combat and considering basic bitch 20th century fighters(F22) can kill those alien's spaceships...

I introduce into evidence the Nightwing, the standard Eldar Air Superiority Fighter. Capable of going up to 3600 kilometers an hour these craft quite easily match the observed speed of the alien fliers while being... much less reliant on conventional physics. They are capable of some quite insane exchange rates against against the Chaos equivalent in the Hell Talon, 66 of which were destroyed by 4 Nightwings over the course of a single engagement. They get a 75% ratio in their favor against "modern" Imperial navy assets as well.

Their high speed and near instant turning ability aside, they also have both clocking systems and illusion/holographic systems in place, meaning you can't even be sure you're shooting at the right target or not. These systems are so good that they are nearly undetectable by any race in the galaxy on sensors.

Their offensive capabilities also far exceed the F22's, their primary armament consists of what is effectively a GAU-8 gatling gun; a gravity and psychic power based system peels off monomolecular shards of an effectively magic crystal and fires them out at extremely high velocities with hundreds of these shards being fired off in between one and two seconds(so being conservative and saying 200 shards in 2 seconds you get a fire rate of 6000 rounds per minute, being more reasonable and saying 400 rounds over 2 seconds gets 12,000 rounds per minute).

The secondary armament would then be the twin Bright Lance units, which can core an entire imperium battletank in between one and two shots(depending on how shielded it is); which is rather more than what an F22 can do.

So the Locusts get fucked.

Scooby Doo said:

Those same soldiers would bend the Eldars over the table tho in ground combat, the Arachnids can at least stalemate the soldiers.

Click to expand...

And how do you know this?

Because they're "unarmored"? Well, let's see how well that unarmored eldar takes bolter fire:


Huh, seemed pretty ineffective to me.

Vyor said:

When did they actually lose to nids?



Who... said anything about air combat here? You said that the artillery would kill anything less armored than a titan, the tanks and power armored soldiers I showed are less armored than a titan and are entirely capable of murderfucking the artillery because said artillery can't hit them.

Click to expand...

It could with a direct hit, if you're relying on evasion instead of armor than the UFO Craft neg them ez peezy

Vyor said:

As for said air combat and considering basic bitch 20th century fighters(F22) can kill those alien's spaceships...

Nightwing - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum

wh40k.lexicanum.com

I introduce into evidence the Nightwing, the standard Eldar Air Superiority Fighter. Capable of going up to 3600 kilometers an hour these craft quite easily match the observed speed of the alien fliers while being... much less reliant on conventional physics. They are capable of some quite insane exchange rates against against the Chaos equivalent in the Hell Talon, 66 of which were destroyed by 4 Nightwings over the course of a single engagement. They get a 75% ratio in their favor against "modern" Imperial navy assets as well.

Their high speed and near instant turning ability aside, they also have both clocking systems and illusion/holographic systems in place, meaning you can't even be sure you're shooting at the right target or not. These systems are so good that they are nearly undetectable by any race in the galaxy on sensors.

Their offensive capabilities also far exceed the F22's, their primary armament consists of what is effectively a GAU-8 gatling gun; a gravity and psychic power based system peels off monomolecular shards of an effectively magic crystal and fires them out at extremely high velocities with hundreds of these shards being fired off in between one and two seconds(so being conservative and saying 200 shards in 2 seconds you get a fire rate of 6000 rounds per minute, being more reasonable and saying 400 rounds over 2 seconds gets 12,000 rounds per minute).

The secondary armament would then be the twin Bright Lance units, which can core an entire imperium battletank in between one and two shots(depending on how shielded it is); which is rather more than what an F22 can do.

So the Locusts get fucked.

Click to expand...

Nope, UFO ships were absolutely clapping F-22's


Even the new models were getting clapped and each bolt they fired was over a magnitude stronger than their missiles which the UFO craft were still capable taking bursts of.

Also Mach 53 is 6,544 kilometers per hour more than triple. So Necrons cry themselves to sleep too because they're 3x times slower.

Vyor said:

And how do you know this?

Because they're "unarmored"? Well, let's see how well that unarmored eldar takes bolter fire:


Huh, seemed pretty ineffective to me.

Click to expand...

So instead of dying to bullets they died to a sword.


I'm so impressed

They couldn't even trade evenly with the Spacemarines despite ambushing them, they didn't even win.

Let's see Arachnids


Yeah Eldar get clapped like the Tyranids bent them over the table

Scooby Doo said:

It could with a direct hit, if you're relying on evasion instead of armor than the UFO Craft neg them ez peezy




Nope, UFO ships were absolutely clapping F-22's

Even the new models were getting clapped and each bolt they fired was over a magnitude stronger than their missiles which the UFO craft were still capable taking bursts of.

Also Mach 53 is 6,544 kilometers per hour more than triple. So Necrons cry themselves to sleep too because they're 3x times slower.


So instead of dying to bullets they died to a sword.


I'm so impressed

They couldn't even trade evenly with the Spacemarines despite ambushing them, they didn't even win.

Let's see Arachnids

Yeah Eldar get clapped like the Tyranids bent them over the table

Click to expand...

Again, when have the Nids beaten the Eldar?
And the Nids have more powerful units and ranged units that eat flesh

Scooby Doo said:

Also Mach 53 is 6,544 kilometers per hour more than triple.

Click to expand...

That's mach 5.2, not mach 53. And in what world is 6.5 triple 3.6? Moreover we don't actually see the alien fighters going Mach 5, since F22s were capable of keeping up and those are slower than that by literally half.

Scooby Doo said:

Even the new models were getting clapped and each bolt they fired was over a magnitude stronger than their missiles which the UFO craft were still capable taking bursts of.

Click to expand...

Aaaand the Eldar Craft still punch harder. And the fact that they were dying to F22's at all means they're pathetic from a scifi perspective.

Scooby Doo said:

So instead of dying to bullets they died to a sword.

Click to expand...

... a chainsword. Which uses monomolecular teeth and can cut through tank armor. Which is why it was working against the strike force's light power armor. A weapon that can kill orks on a clean hit.

And bolters don't fire bullets, they fire .75 caliber rocket propelled grenades that can punch through modern light armored vehicles with ease, the resulting explosion from the projectile would then kill all passengers abord.

You're talking about a 20mm rapid fire rocket launcher. And the "oh so weak" eldar effectively ignored it.

Vyor said:

That's mach 5.2, not mach 53. And in what world is 6.5 triple 3.6? Moreover we don't actually see the alien fighters going Mach 5, since F22s were capable of keeping up and those are slower than that by literally half.



Aaaand the Eldar Craft still punch harder. And the fact that they were dying to F22's at all means they're pathetic from a scifi perspective.



... a chainsword. Which uses monomolecular teeth and can cut through tank armor. Which is why it was working against the strike force's light power armor. A weapon that can kill orks on a clean hit.

And bolters don't fire bullets, they fire .75 caliber rocket propelled grenades that can punch through modern light armored vehicles with ease, the resulting explosion from the projectile would then kill all passengers abord.

You're talking about a 20mm rapid fire rocket launcher. And the "oh so weak" eldar effectively ignored it.

Click to expand...

A grazing hit from a chainsword during a friendly spar damaged space marine armor.

Zachowon said:

Again, when have the Nids beaten the Eldar?
And the Nids have more powerful units and ranged units that eat flesh

Click to expand...

Google is your friend, don't tell me you're 40k fans but don't even know when the Tyranids spanked the Eldar in their own craft world

The Arachnids also have ranged units btw.

Zachowon said:

A grazing hit from a chainsword during a friendly spar damaged space marine armor.

Click to expand...

Wow mkay, I am supposed to be impressed because?

Vyor said:

That's mach 5.2, not mach 53. And in what world is 6.5 triple 3.6? Moreover we don't actually see the alien fighters going Mach 5, since F22s were capable of keeping up and those are slower than that by literally half.

Click to expand...

Uh wrong.

Traveling 10,000 Kilometers in 9 minutes is mach 53.

So still slower than Locust fighters.

Vyor said:

Aaaand the Eldar Craft still punch harder. And the fact that they were dying to F22's at all means they're pathetic from a scifi perspective.

Click to expand...

Except they weren't dying to F22's lmaaaaoooo

The Next Gen fighters were dying to them.

And honestly doesn't matter if the Eldars hit slightly harder, there's going to be dealing with hundred to one fighter ratios against faster ships.

They get curb stomped, defense and speed matter more in dog fights than fire power

Vyor said:

... a chainsword. Which uses monomolecular teeth and can cut through tank armor. Which is why it was working against the strike force's light power armor. A weapon that can kill orks on a clean hit.

Click to expand...

Oh wow. This is what the Arachnids deal with on a daily basis, not impressed.

Vyor said:

And bolters don't fire bullets, they fire .75 caliber rocket propelled grenades that can punch through modern light armored vehicles with ease, the resulting explosion from the projectile would then kill all passengers abord.

You're talking about a 20mm rapid fire rocket launcher. And the "oh so weak" eldar effectively ignored it.

Click to expand...

Congrats the Bolter is only marginally more impressive than the starter Morita.

Scooby Doo said:

Except they weren't dying to F22's lmaaaaoooo

Click to expand...

You are correct, they were able to tank the missiles when they had shields... but on the other hand:


They ain't moving mach 52.

Vyor said:

You are correct, they were able to tank the missiles when they had shields... but on the other hand:


They ain't moving mach 52.

Click to expand...

Uh yeah they can move at mach 52.

Even the junk civilian Human one was keeping up with the Harvester which traveled 300,000 KM in 22 minutes.

If it was going any slower it would have been crushed by the shield.

Scooby Doo said:

Uh yeah they can move at mach 52.

Even the junk civilian Human one was keeping up with the Harvester which traveled 300,000 KM in 22 minutes.

If it was going any slower it would have been crushed by the shield.

Click to expand...

that... is not mach 52. Mach 52 is about half the earth's orbital velocity. That is objectively not going that fast. It's going fast, but not that fast. It might be able to enter/exit orbit at that speed, but it ain't going that fast in atmosphere.

And it also does absolutely nothing to disprove that F22's can keep up with and outrun their fighters as shown in the first movie.

Flying through space and flying through atmosphere at the same speed seems like a brain bug. Like I'm sure that if the Locust fighters were going Mach 50 casually... then so were the X-Wings due to their performance in A New Hope when they rose to intercept the Death Star? Or the Shuttle in the Clone Wars episode Jedi Crash? Or any other time a starfighter or craft requires a span of minutes to leave or depart an atmosphere?

Husky_Khan said:

Flying through space and flying through atmosphere at the same speed seems like a brain bug. Like I'm sure that if the Locust fighters were going Mach 50 casually... then so were the X-Wings due to their performance in A New Hope when they rose to intercept the Death Star? Or the Shuttle in the Clone Wars episode Jedi Crash? Or any other time a starfighter or craft requires a span of minutes to leave or depart an atmosphere?

Click to expand...

Right? Movies clip timespans, they've always done that and it makes sense because you don't want to wait for the half hour it would actually take for things to reach the fight.

Though I will note that for the X-wings they did try and explain their initial launch speed with switching X-foils into attack position, which presumably took power away from their engines to their guns?

Vyor said:

Right? Movies clip timespans, they've always done that and it makes sense because you don't want to wait for the half hour it would actually take for things to reach the fight.

Though I will note that for the X-wings they did try and explain their initial launch speed with switching X-foils into attack position, which presumably took power away from their engines to their guns?

Click to expand...

We're given an exact time frame in the film tho, it takes 22 minutes for the Harvester to traverse to Earth.

So it happened whether you disagree with the visuals or not tbh.


Tho it's important to note while the aircraft can go up to mach 53 it doesn't mean the pilots have the reflexes to do so in close quarters

Scooby Doo said:

Google is your friend, don't tell me you're 40k fans but don't even know when the Tyranids spanked the Eldar in their own craft world

Click to expand...

This has literally never happened.

Scooby Doo said:

We're given an exact time frame in the film tho, it takes 22 minutes for the Harvester to traverse to Earth.

Click to expand...

Ok but this doesn't mean it's capable of going those speeds in general. That could have been a gravity assisted thing and most of the time spent during the approach was slowing down so they don't impact the planet.

Scooby Doo said:

Tho it's important to note while the aircraft can go up to mach 53 it doesn't mean the pilots have the reflexes to do so in close quarters

Click to expand...

And so its speed feet doesn't matter at all except for traversal time purposes when the eldar can fucking teleport.

Vyor said:

This has literally never happened.

Click to expand...

It literally does, you can literally Google it too

Vyor said:

Ok but this doesn't mean it's capable of going those speeds in general. That could have been a gravity assisted thing and most of the time spent during the approach was slowing down so they don't impact the planet.

Click to expand...

It does, the rate at which it was traversing was stated by the characters to have reached Earth in those 22 minutes and they were very clear that if the ship which they were actively piloting didn't keep up it would have been squished.

Vyor said:

And so its speed feet doesn't matter at all except for traversal time purposes when the eldar can fucking teleport.

Click to expand...

It does matter in dog fights because it means that it'll be more difficult for the Eldar to evade multiple fighters that can flank or evade the aim.


Teleportation doesn't help them unless they can spam it like FOX Nightcrawler and considering the Eldar aren't noted to be impossible to fight in dog fights I'll be betting on hundreds to thousands of Alien fighters which were only a fraction of its total forces that were nothing more than a diversion force irc.

Scooby Doo said:

It literally does, you can literally Google it too

Click to expand...

If I can then so can you.

Give me a link.

Scooby Doo said:

It does, the rate at which it was traversing was stated by the characters to have reached Earth in those 22 minutes and they were very clear that if the ship which they were actively piloting didn't keep up it would have been squished.

Click to expand...

That... doesn't change what I said.

Scooby Doo said:

It does matter in dog fights because it means that it'll be more difficult for the Eldar to evade multiple fighters that can flank or evade the aim.

Click to expand...

Except that the opposing pilots don't have that level of maneuverability and reaction time, as seen by the F22's performance against them.

Scooby Doo said:

Teleportation doesn't help them unless they can spam it like FOX Nightcrawler and considering the Eldar aren't noted to be impossible to fight in dog fights I'll be betting on hundreds to thousands of Alien fighters which were only a fraction of its total forces that were nothing more than a diversion force irc.

Click to expand...

How does this matter for travel time?

Scooby Doo said:

Click to expand...

"every tornado has an eye" lol

Scooby Doo said:

Google is your friend, don't tell me you're 40k fans but don't even know when the Tyranids spanked the Eldar in their own craft world

The Arachnids also have ranged units btw.

Wow mkay, I am supposed to be impressed because?


Uh wrong.

Traveling 10,000 Kilometers in 9 minutes is mach 53.

So still slower than Locust fighters.


Except they weren't dying to F22's lmaaaaoooo

The Next Gen fighters were dying to them.

And honestly doesn't matter if the Eldars hit slightly harder, there's going to be dealing with hundred to one fighter ratios against faster ships.

They get curb stomped, defense and speed matter more in dog fights than fire power




Oh wow. This is what the Arachnids deal with on a daily basis, not impressed.

Congrats the Bolter is only marginally more impressive than the starter Morita.

Click to expand...

It's not on me to prove it, as you are the one making the claim.
Support your claim that the Eldar have lost to the tyranids in the way you suggest or retract the claim.

Vyor said:

If I can then so can you.

Give me a link.

Click to expand...

Not literally just Google it, anyone who has read about the Tyranids know this common knowledge

Vyor said:

That... doesn't change what I said.

Click to expand...

Yeh it does, if it arrives in 22 minutes after traversing that distance the ship with it has to be traveling that distance. There was no time skip past 22 minutes

Vyor said:

Except that the opposing pilots don't have that level of maneuverability and reaction time, as seen by the F22's performance against them.

Click to expand...

Those were inferior models


So cope, Eldars get bent by faster and more numerous ships

Vyor said:

How does this matter for travel time?

Click to expand...

Because that's literally how Eldar Nightwings fight?

They rely on outpacing Imperium counter parts by going 3,600 K/H

The much faster Locust ships would easily outpace them and chase them down with ease.

The locusts fighters are literally better in every way with the exception of the Eldar pilots being superior but this is countered by far superior numbers.


There's what only a dozen squadrons in total deployed by the Eldar vs 2,000+ Alien Fighters

Each Eldar fighter would be lucky to win 2:1 Odds

Vyor said:

"every tornado has an eye" lol

Click to expand...

Nice to see you have no arguments only cope

Scooby Doo said:

Not literally just Google it, anyone who has read about the Tyranids know this common knowledge

Click to expand...

If it's so common then post it.

Scooby Doo said:

Yeh it does, if it arrives in 22 minutes after traversing that distance the ship with it has to be traveling that distance. There was no time skip past 22 minutes

Click to expand...

Ok... and this matters for combat how?

Scooby Doo said:

Those were inferior models

Click to expand...

This ain't primary canon.

Scooby Doo said:

Because that's literally how Eldar Nightwings fight?

They rely on outpacing Imperium counter parts by going 3,600 K/H

Click to expand...

No, they rely on dodging and using illusions+holograms to force opponents to miss them. And then killing them in one shot.

Scooby Doo said:

There's what only a dozen squadrons in total deployed by the Eldar

Click to expand...

Wut? Where did you even get these numbers?

Scooby Doo said:

Nice to see you have no arguments only cope

Click to expand...

I have quite literally not seen a single coherent argument from you. Every time someone calls you out on one thing you gish gallop over to another.

Zachowon said:

It's not on me to prove it, as you are the one making the claim.
Support your claim that the Eldar have lost to the tyranids in the way you suggest or retract the claim.

Click to expand...

I'll just entertain you with this one example since you don't know anything about 40k if you don't know about Eldar vs Tyranid fights


So much for your claim Eldar never fought Tyranids or lost to them.