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Bacle · Mar 8, 2023

Simonbob said:
Seriously?

Bacle, I agree with a certain amount of what you say, but this is just dumb.

I wasn't the one who said:

Zachowon said:
Bacle, I work with a guy who was recruiting u til he became a warrant.

I have never given Zachowon my real name or phone number, so there is no way he would have enough info to say his buddy was the recruiter who cold texted me several times, unless he also had my info somehow without my knowledge.

How else am I supposed to take an admitted sigint dude with a motard complex suddenly saying it was his buddy who tried to recruit me, when there is no way Zach could or should know the info required for his buddy to have texted me the way he did, unless he's doing stuff he isn't supposed to with info about people on this site.

This was an unforced error on Zachowon's part, and frankly is making me very uncomfortable with ever interacting him again, and has me worried about what else the various DoD personnel who frequent here are doing with the site and personal information normal posters aren't aware of or have access to.

bintananth · Mar 8, 2023

Robovski said:
To be fair, there aren't that many Admiral roles to fill to begin with. Is the argument that it should be easy to become Admiral? There are several (not easy) paths for enlisted personell to get to officer (from what I understand - I never served, the veterans I used to game with as a teen disuaded me from signing up), but it's a darn sight easier if you start as an officer but that should hardly surprise anyone, you are starting much higher up the ladder. Whole appeal of the ROTC (again, friends in HS in the 80's/early 90's) was to give you a leg up on service and officer candidacy.

From what I understand a college degree is a prerequisite for a comission and someone with a college degree who volunteers is almost certainly getting sent to OCS instead of basic.

Scottty · Mar 8, 2023

bintananth said:
I smoke cheap cigars and drink beer. Some righteous asshat telling me that I shouldn't drink beer might be met with my reply of "Sweety, an entire 6-pack of beer is healthier than than what you just added to your coffee."

EDIT: There's a reason why I stick to decaf without cream or sugar.

Humans have been brewing beer for thousands of years. Modern artificial sweeteners are poison - literally!
Meanwhile, back to the topic...

Bacle said:
I wasn't the one who said:

I have never given Zachowon my real name or phone number, so there is no way he would have enough info to say his buddy was the recruiter who cold texted me several times, unless he also had my info somehow without my knowledge.

How else am I supposed to take an admitted sigint dude with a motard complex suddenly saying it was his buddy who tried to recruit me, when there is no way Zach could or should know the info required for his buddy to have texted me the way he did, unless he's doing stuff he isn't supposed to with info about people on this site.

This was an unforced error on Zachowon's part, and frankly is making me very uncomfortable with ever interacting him again, and has me worried about what else the various DoD personnel who frequent here are doing with the site and personal information normal posters aren't aware of or have access to.

Bacle, isn't it more likely that he meant "you" in the indefinite sense? Ie "you civilians" or "people like you"?

Simonbob · Mar 8, 2023

Bacle said:
I have never given Zachowon my real name or phone number, so there is no way he would have enough info to say his buddy was the recruiter who cold texted me several times, unless he also had my info somehow without my knowledge.

How else am I supposed to take an admitted sigint dude with a motard complex suddenly saying it was his buddy who tried to recruit me, when there is no way Zach could or should know the info required for his buddy to have texted me the way he did, unless he's doing stuff he isn't supposed to with info about people on this site.

This was an unforced error on Zachowon's part, and frankly is making me very uncomfortable with ever interacting him again, and has me worried about what else the various DoD personnel who frequent here are doing with the site and personal information normal posters aren't aware of or have access to.

Zachowon has the most terrible spelling I've seen on any site. I have to translate into English, whenever he get's going.

The chances he was speaking about an actual attempt to recruit you personally is pretty much non-existant.

I suppose it's not impossible, but, really?

bintananth · Mar 8, 2023

Simonbob said:
Zachowon has the most terrible spelling I've seen on any site. I have to translate into English, whenever he get's going.

The chances he was speaking about an actual attempt to recruit you personally is pretty much non-existant.

I suppose it's not impossible, but, really?

To me @Zachowon's spelling errors look like he's trying to make mistakes on purpose because a lot of them aren't the kinds of typos someone capable of typing quickly and accurately with one hand while doing something else won't leave behind.

I'll sometimes leave words I meant to edit out or mispell a word in a post but I rarely if ever make the kinds of spelling mistakes he does.

Scottty · Mar 8, 2023

bintananth said:
To me @Zachowon's spelling errors look like he's trying to make mistakes on purpose because a lot of them aren't the kinds of typos someone capable of typing quickly and accurately with one hand while doing something else won't leave behind.

I'll sometimes leave words I meant to edit out or mispell a word in a post but I rarely if ever make the kinds of spelling mistakes he does.

Never heard the saying that there are 3 ways of doing something?
The right way.
The wrong way.
And the Army way.

Ixian · Mar 8, 2023

Sailor.X said:
Really dude. Have you not heard of the US Navy LDO program and the Warrant Officer program and the Enlisted to Officer program. The Navy has 3 different programs to become an Officer not even counting OCS.

Yes, there are programs, but those programs aren't just open to anyone. The vast majority of enlisted sailors won't ever qualify for them.

My point isn't that enlisted sailors never become officers, my point is that it is so rare it can't be used as a talking point to improve recruitment.

Zachowon · Mar 8, 2023

Bacle said:
I want a direct fucking answer @Zachowon, how did your recruiter buddy know my name and phone number, and are you feeding anyone else's protected info to the DoD for recruiting purposes?

I meant recruiting until* he became a warrant.

bintananth · Mar 8, 2023

Scottty said:
Never heard the saying that there are 3 ways of doing something?
The right way.
The wrong way.
And the Army way.

I've heard variations of that in the past ...

One of my HS history teachers was a retired Lieutenant Colonel who served during Vietnam and graduated from VMI. If you wanted to know how the US Army could fuck something up six ways to Sunday he was more than happy to explain it to you with profanity which would make an angry drill sergeant trying to emulate R. Lee Ermey blush.

King Arts · Mar 8, 2023

Zachowon said:
Bacle.
Had we been allowed to do what we had done before this we would have pushed them out....
and Volunteering is fine. Do you think every volunteer in Vietnam wanted to go out there and kill civies? We sogn up to kill the bad guys.

I was going to be mean and make a suicide joke but that would be insensitive. But Zach then those people are being dumb. Because for many wars the US was the bad guys. Invading smaller nations that did not directly attack you trying to force them to do what you want is what the evil empire does in movies.

Bacle · Mar 8, 2023

Zachowon said:
I meant recruiting until* he became a warrant.

Ok, suggestion then; actually finish typing out the word and double check your spelling before posting.

Or at least edit it ASAP to clarify things.

Zachowon · Mar 8, 2023

Bacle said:
Ok, suggestion then; actually finish typing out the word and double check your spelling before posting.

Or at least edit it ASAP to clarify things.

In my mind I still saw it as Until. I didn't notice the mistake until you mentioned it.

Sailor.X · Mar 8, 2023

Ixian said:
Yes, there are programs, but those programs aren't just open to anyone. The vast majority of enlisted sailors won't ever qualify for them.

My point isn't that enlisted sailors never become officers, my point is that it is so rare it can't be used as a talking point to improve recruitment.

It was rare for Sailors to get to a Boat Unit at the rank of E1 but me and my other classmate in A School did just that. You know how. By busting our asses doing the work to get the grades to qualify to get those two billets. If you put in the hard work it can move mountains for you. That is how many Enlisted who became officers did it. They put in the work.

Ixian · Mar 8, 2023

Sailor.X said:
It was rare for Sailors to get to a Boat Unit at the rank of E1 but me and my other classmate in A School did just that. You know how. By busting our asses doing the work to get the grades to qualify to get those two billets. If you put in the hard work it can move mountains for you. That is how many Enlisted who became officers did it. They put in the work.

... Yeah, you clearly aren't grasping what I'm saying. The process for moving from enlisted to officer , which I agree is a challenge and lot of effort to advance through, can't very well be used as a supportive talking point to improve recruitment, because again, the vast majority of sailors will never accomplish it.

The Navy can't brag that advancement from enlisted to officer is a perk of the Navy, while ignoring that most enlisted will never accomplish it. Especially as its rather well known that it isn't easy to do, and coupled with the typical ring knocker attitude to the common enlisted man, could even come off as an insult or patronizing.

Do you see what I'm getting at here?

Sailor.X · Mar 8, 2023

Ixian said:
... Yeah, you clearly aren't grasping what I'm saying. The process for moving from enlisted to officer , which I agree is a challenge and lot of effort to advance through, can't very well be used as a supportive talking point to improve recruitment, because again, the vast majority of sailors will never accomplish it.

The Navy can't brag that advancement from enlisted to officer is a perk of the Navy, while ignoring that most enlisted will never accomplish it. Especially as its rather well known that it isn't easy to do, and coupled with the typical ring knocker attitude to the common enlisted man, could even come off as an insult or patronizing.

Do you see what I'm getting at here?

Dude I know at least 3 people I served with that went from Enlisted to Officer. One was my Former XO. the second was my good friend Jim Gallon who went officer after he reached E-4 and the Chief Engineer on my ship who was an LDO. IF it was so rare I would not have met even 1.

Limited Duty Officer and Chief Warrant Officer Program

How to become a Limited Duty Officer or Chief Warrant Officer in the Navy. Includes eligibility requirements for Active-Duty (AD,) Full-Time Support (FTS) and Reserve Sailors.

www.navyadvancement.com

Enlisted to Officer Programs

Programs for enlisted Sailors that allow them to become officers in the Navy

www.navyadvancement.com

Ixian · Mar 8, 2023

Sailor.X said:
Dude I know at least 3 people I served with that went from Enlisted to Officer. One was my Former XO. the second was my good friend Jim Gallon who went officer after he reached E-4 and the Chief Engineer on my ship who was an LDO. IF it was so rare I would not have met even 1.

Limited Duty Officer and Chief Warrant Officer Program

How to become a Limited Duty Officer or Chief Warrant Officer in the Navy. Includes eligibility requirements for Active-Duty (AD,) Full-Time Support (FTS) and Reserve Sailors.

www.navyadvancement.com

Enlisted to Officer Programs

Programs for enlisted Sailors that allow them to become officers in the Navy

www.navyadvancement.com

Anecdotes and articles describing the process do not, in fact, disprove my point.

Captain X · Mar 8, 2023

Pretty sure every service branch has something like OCS that is specifically geared toward enlisted folks becoming officers. I know the AF hold multiple classes per year for it, so it is a pretty regular thing.

Sailor.X · Mar 8, 2023

Ixian said:
Anecdotes and articles describing the process do not, in fact, disprove my point.

You are more stubborn than a mule and don't want to admit you are wrong.

Captain X said:
Pretty sure every service branch has something like OCS that is specifically geared toward enlisted folks becoming officers. I know the AF hold multiple classes per year for it, so it is a pretty regular thing.

Indeed.

Ixian · Mar 8, 2023

Captain X said:
Pretty sure every service branch has something like OCS that is specifically geared toward enlisted folks becoming officers. I know the AF hold multiple classes per year for it, so it is a pretty regular thing.

Officers make up a grand total of 18% of all US Armed Forces.

Thats across all military branches. The vast majority of those Officers start their military careers as Officers, not enlisted.

Are we really going with the narrative that advertising the minuscule chance an enlisted man has at becoming an officer will improve recruitment rates?

Because uhhh... I don't think that will help.

Sailor.X said:
You are more stubborn than a mule and don't want to admit you are wrong.

Indeed.

I'm stubborn? Please show me the evidence that the enlisted to officer pipeline is so great and available, that it is helpful with recruitment.

Because what you're saying makes no sense.

Robovski · Mar 8, 2023

So the argument now is that the majority of enlisted personell should become officers? You stated only 18% of all US armed forces are officers; that's approaching one in five service members is an officer, which doesn't sound like hardly any opportunity. Are you maintaining that the majority should be officers? That hardly seems viable. A viable path of entry and progression exists, not all servicemen can be officers, what is the argument? That it should be 25% or more? Or that it should be easier?

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