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TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
You haven't dated Latinas, Maghrebi, Middle Easterners or Greek girls have you?
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Historical point of contention, I don’t think it was nessicarilly about mastery either, I think it very much was “We are here to settle scores”. They wanted Carthage dead, so it was dead.
As for the argument on America an Ukraine, I’d contend on the Last Ukranian, mainly because they very much do want to fight and drive the Russians back. That’s fine and they should have all our backing.
As for Empire: Yes, we are an Empire. Probably the one with the softest touch in history (unless you count things like the HRE as an Empire), but an Empire nonetheless. I’d say that our domination is the best for the world because we assure global peace through our actions. Russia and China, If they took our spot, besides being far worse places to live, would also act in a much more arbitrary and warlike fashion. I also think because we have taken the spot of Empire, we should not give it up, lest we get utterly fucked over. So no apology here: I hope Russia utterly breaks in Ukraine as a force in the world, and we should do everything to help make that happen. Maybe one day they can actually be integrated into the Global order, but it should be on our terms, not there’s.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
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TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
I can just a pick up a history book and see that the claim of lightest touch is bullshit.
Here's the "few" countries that were invaded, "intervened", "regime changed" or dominated (and many still are to this day) by the United States :
- Samoa
- Hawaii
- Philippines
- Cuba (TWICE!) not to mention the embargo
- Nicaragua
- Haiti multiple times
- Dominican Republic (twice!)
- Costa Rica (twice)
- Syria multiple times, especially in 2011
- Egypt and Guatemala in 1952
- Iran in 1953, and I wouldn't be surprised me if you had an hand in 1979 too
- Guatemala again 1954
- Indonesia in 1957-1959
- 1963 in South Vietnam, you killed off your own ally, and lost ten years later
- Congo
- Laos
- Iraq in 1963 and then in 2003
- Cambodia
- Bolivia
- East Timor
- Afghanistan twice
- Chad, where you supported a war criminal
- Grenada
- Panama
- Lybia
And here's a map.
The global order you speak of is is a rootless excessively money driven cosmopolitan and masochistically complacent corpse which allows unelected parasitic deceiveres to lead it into oblivion by inaction. I really hope I see the day to said "order" can be backstabbed just as we Italians did to the Germans in 1943.
>killing hope
Your brain on anti-americanism...
Communists aren't hope, killing communists is not a bad thing at all, why are you glorifying the CIA like this, when they clearly didn't kill enough of them.
Like clockwork...
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
So...? Doesn't mean he is wrong and not all of the coups were against Communist entities for once (Cambodia, Vietnam, Dominican Republic and more). Not to mention that the US created its own enemies in many cases like Cuba (where they helped Castro overthrew Batista), South Vietnam (where they killed their OWN ally) , recognized Mainland China against ROC/ Taiwan (!), funded the Taliban because reasons, helped Islamic Republic of Iran with the Contra Affair and then to kickstart his nuclear program in the 1990s. I could go on for days.
It's funny to see that you have nothing better to do than to wait for me to post something.
It does mean however that the axe he is grinding is clear, he is clearly implying that it's a bad thing, and here you demonstrate the same process.
In the unlikely scenario you were just simply trying to argue that USA was not strictly non-interventionist in the Cold War, congratulations, you have made your point, though they teach that in history 101, so i think anyone who ever went to school knew it already.
Again, even in cases when they weren't communists outright, those don't sound like "USA assassinates perfectly good politicians that were great and super pro-freedom and generally awesome".
By now you should know better than to try to out of context me of all people on stuff like putting "reasons" instead of "Soviets" and CIA trying to bribe their way into Castro's movement as "helped Castro overthrow Batista", or expecting me to not know about the pros and cons of attempts to turn the CCP against the Soviets.
Well if you insist on posting socialist propaganda, expect such reaction.
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
You know, the more you post, the sadder and sadder it gets.
When someone is trying to criticize America, and they point to times where the intervention was either entirely justified (Afghanistan in the 80's) or they should have intervened harder (Castro's Florida)...
No, it's pretty clear that the point for you is the anti-americanism, whatever reasons you list are just post-hoc justifications for the attitudes you've already decided to hold.
Also, the US is still the most 'soft touch' world hegemon. Not because it hasn't made messes or caused problems, even done horrible things at times, but because every single other hegemon, whether world or continental preceding tech advancing enough to have a world hegemon, was worse.
The Brits were easily the second best, doing things such as mostly exterminating the slave trade, but they still did things like the Opium Wars too. Every preceding hegemon had a much darker history.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Frankly you sound like the Pierogi version of Vaermina (but at least it didn't follow me to other threads) : same delusional closed mindset and lack of coscience , just different flavor and opposite spectrum. If you really want to see actual socialist (which I am not) here's a few links : alternatehistory.com , https://forums.spacebattles.com/ , https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/ . https://forums.spacebattles.com/ .
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Should make you sad that you lack self-criticism, not me criticizing your country. Even with Biden you are soft empire ? The point of my post wasn't saying the Soviets or the Brits were better. You don't see me claiming the former murderous regime (one of the many reasons I got banned by alternatehistory) or the Brits, have I ? My anti-Americanism is solely direct at the negative outcomes of many US foreign policies...you don't see me criticize your country for the intervention during the Bosnian War, where yes, you stopped a genocide to continue unpunished. So that's positive. If your country has done something positive, like saving Western Europe from the Nazis AND Stalin, I will objectively praise it however.
My axe to grind with the US is claims to have the moral high ground.
Which you don't.
And considering the degenerative diseases of political correctness, race divisionism and gender ideology taught to children IS spreading to my countries, of course it doesn't help me like the US beyond 1945 and hope for at least a partial loss of US power projection. I don't mind the US as a country per se, I would rather live in Florida and Texas than Russia, I mind its foreign policy. And cultural foreign policy as well, since the all acceptance of degeneracy we got pedos teaching kids.
Yes, my mind is closed to socialist's propaganda and the assassinations of their idols and leaders is not something that will make me anti-american, the opposite if anything.
And "even worse socialists exist" is not a counterargument, i know they exist.
You haven't dated Latinas, Maghrebi, Middle Easterners or Greek girls have you?
Dated latinas their all right, when you date a middle eastern girl your aromatically involved with all of her family drama not with it. Just no.
Greek girls vary but tend to be pretty blunt
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
'Moral high ground' is not an absolute thing. If it was, nobody would have it, ever, because we're all sinners.
Moral high ground is a relative thing. Right now, Ukraine has the moral high ground over Russia. Not because Ukraine isn't corrupt, but because Russia is also corrupt, and is invading Ukraine+committing atrocities against Ukrainian citizens and sometimes captured soldiers.
The US has the moral high ground as world hegemon, because it is the most moral world hegemon that has ever existed.
We could talk for days about its many moral shortcomings, its mistakes, and outright acts of evil. That doesn't change the fact that it's head and shoulders above Great Britain, which was head and shoulders above anybody that came before.
Further, the competitors for world hegemon haven't even been morally ambiguous, they've been utterly monstrous. The USSR and the CCP both butchered millions of their own people, much less others, and the CCP continues to do so to this day.
Most of the modern criticisms of the US as world hegemon devolve to 'the US has not ushered in utopia,' or 'the US opposed socialism/communism.' Not all, because it's not spotless, but given you have been using those kinds of objections, as I said in a prior post, I don't give your criticism much weight.
Any nation held to a standard of perfection is going to look horrible, the US included. Comparing nations to alternate options is much more appropriate, and when you do that, the US comes out looking downright angelic compared to everyone else who's held a similar position.
The US isn't perfect, but 'perfect' is the enemy of 'good enough'.
I too would prefer the US fight from the moral high ground, but the technological, economic, social, and orbital high grounds are more practically achievable and more durable in the long term.
Would you rather suffer under Putin or Xi's hegemony instead? Or do you dream of Pax Romana happening again?
Some times the least bad option is the only 'moral' one you have; sometimes there are no 'good' options.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Hats off for you, this is, comparitively to Marduk or LordsFire, a much better response to my previous postings.
On Putin, there's not practical way for him or the Russian Federation to power project further than Belarus, Moldova and Central Asia at best as long there is a Pole or a Balt standing. They wouldn't even manage to influence Italy because of Mussolini's inheritance...a system of government of allied politicking and inciucci.
China I would oppose on all fronts and I would be the first to put Beijing's supremacist and totalitarian manipulative vampires into an early grave, the capitalist economy be damned if it goes into a downward spiral.
I never wanted or wished for a Pax Romana, but that doesn't mean I enjoy the Americana if it is means letting degeneracy like uncontrolled immigration, transgender and perverts teaching or competing into sport and promoting race divisionism (this latter is especially concerning to me as an half Brazilian). I am a still culturally nationalconservative, and what I wrote above does the exact contrary to preserve a nation.
So the main reason, beyond historical reasons, that I oppose the US hegemony, is to oppose things like we see in alternatehistory.com, other forums , states and nations.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
My brother in Christ!
bintananth
behind a desk
"Lucifer is God's best angel and is doing God's work." That is, he is part of God's plan and his entire job is to go against God, tempt you into doing the same, and then be the instrument of punishment when you do so you can serve as an example to others.
Think about it for a moment. Angels do not have complete free will like we do. Lucifer can not disobey God. We can.
The Anti-Christ is not a fallen angel, does have complete free will, and wishes to tear down and destroy God by any means possible.
EDIT: Even very devout Muslims and very devout Catholics can both agree that the Jewish Jawheh is another name for the One True God. We just worship differently. "Salom my friend."
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I can understand opposing woke shit, but the US is not all woke shit, and well...what other options do you have to turn to that can actually accomplish anything or protect Italy in the long run?
It's not like Putin, Xi, or anyone else is going to offer you a better hegemon. At least with the US there is the possibility of meaningful internal pushback and curtailing of the woke shit, meaning it won't be exported by the US any longer.
I think much of the woke shit you are dealing with is probably as much Brussel's fault as DC's, and well...the US public cannot do much about the EU being unelected assholes and grifters. If Italy wants to leave the EU, I'd support that, just like with Brexit.