United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread
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No, it wouldn't have passed, because it would never have gotten a vote.
Boo hoo. They're a stupid gimmick that's only valid use case is enabling badly aimed, full auto-equivlent fire rates and bypassing the restrictions we have on automatic weapons, restrictions that exist for good reason (and, granted, the ones that are dumb, but we're trying yo get rid of those and you're actively fighting that).
I don't know what on earth you mean by "did the Jab", because that usually refers to vaccine mandates, which A) Trump didn't do, B) democrats did do, and C) where a state level thing and not a federal policy.
The lockdowns are an even dumber point, because Republicans were the anti-lockdown party.
But you have more faith in the "more federal power is always the answer" party?
"Well, I could support the side that's 80% similar to me, but I wish they were 90% on my side so I'll swing thing toward the guys that are 40% on my side". This is why no one likes your side, because you refuse to just join one of the big tents and get your wants incorporated into the platform, you just stand outside throwing molatives at the tent.
Not if we get a big enough boot you won't. Which is the entire issue with this tactic, you gave us the finger here and earned...what, one, maybe two guys wanting to play ball, and then like twice that many that think we should just crush your party out of existence. That's not a good trade.
Oh, I agree that the Republicans aren't owed any votes, if you don't think the Republican candidate isn't worth your vote, don't vote.
What I object to deciding to vote anyway, and then purposefully throwing the race the side you like the least to punish the one closer to you, because you want to force the closer side to get closer to you. Because that's just stupid and counter productive, if you want the Republicans on your side, turning on them when they needed you us not going to do that, it's going to cement you as an unreliable element.
There are two scenarios here:
"Thanks to libertarians, we took the senate"
"Thanks to libertarians, we lost the senate"
I think that assuming that the Republicans will be more favorable to you in scenario B is insane.
You have 3 choices:
1. Don't vote
2. Lesser evil
3. Greater evil
If you knowingly go for opition 3, don't act surprised when people are pissed at you.
Bear Ribs
Well-known member
Eh, fair enough, they're also not entitled to your approval so carry on.
posh-goofiness
Well-known member
Lol, no you have 5 options, actually.
Don't vote, vote independent, vote uniparty branch #1, vote uniparty branch #2, run yourself.
Until you can stop self-deluding about what the "lesser evil" actually is, you will never escape this hellscape built around us all.
Assuming there even is a next time.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
A little article on the Midterms
raheemkassam.substack.com
I mostly agree. Trump did ok, the red wave was overhyped but the main blame is the lack of good candidates on the GOP.
We should work to pivot to the fact that running RINOs will never work. Oz lost to a literal brain damage patient.
Blame Trump for the ‘Red Trickle’? Nonsense.
The GOP establishment is already trying to ding The Donald for its own underwhelming strategies and messaging. Do not buy it.
raheemkassam.substack.com
I mostly agree. Trump did ok, the red wave was overhyped but the main blame is the lack of good candidates on the GOP.
We should work to pivot to the fact that running RINOs will never work. Oz lost to a literal brain damage patient.
To be honest, I'm also tired of the constant whining that libertarians should be the ones to compromise, and I can just as easily throw that accusation back in the face of Republicans. How about Republicans be the ones to compromise?
There is no such thing as "the uniparty", and running yourself and voting independent are just votes for the democrats.
That's 100% the wrong take. In competitive districts, Trump's candidate's regularly lost, sticking with Trump is a lower strategy.
What this twit wrongly assumes is there are two choices, Trump and McConnell. There aren't. You can break from the establishment and win, DeSantis did. You just can't stick to Trump.
Compromise on what? Gay marriage and weed? That's already happening. Foreign policy? How many people are still saying that Iraq and Afghanistan were handled correctly?
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
In a mature FPTP environment, voting third party is functionally similar to not voting. If voting for one of the uniparty branches isn't the lesser evil, fine, but don't whine about the lesser evil being un-fun to vote for. Also, "run yourself" is a subset of your I/UB1/UB2 options. There, I've reduced the options back down to 3.
Look, getting angry at the libertarians for this shit is understandable, but at this point completely useless.
The fact is elections are won by addition, not subtraction, and libertarians are common enough they can swing close races.
@Battlegrinder and @Abhorsen however need to realize neither the hardcore AnCap platform, nor the hardcore GOP platform, are going to survive the progressive insanity uunless we find a way to work together.
@Abhorsen I am going to say this loud and clear; stop gloating, start building birdges, and stop acting like the GOP is the greater evil. Otherwise parts of the GOP may just decide to drag lolbert's to hell with them, if the Dems destroy this nation.
@Battlegrinder You really need to stop having these stupid neocon moments with regard to the libertarians and the DC GOP establishment that has stabbed it's voters in the back repeatedly. You cannot ignore people and turn them into memes and then expect them to stand up for you when you need them most.
The fact is elections are won by addition, not subtraction, and libertarians are common enough they can swing close races.
@Battlegrinder and @Abhorsen however need to realize neither the hardcore AnCap platform, nor the hardcore GOP platform, are going to survive the progressive insanity uunless we find a way to work together.
@Abhorsen I am going to say this loud and clear; stop gloating, start building birdges, and stop acting like the GOP is the greater evil. Otherwise parts of the GOP may just decide to drag lolbert's to hell with them, if the Dems destroy this nation.
@Battlegrinder You really need to stop having these stupid neocon moments with regard to the libertarians and the DC GOP establishment that has stabbed it's voters in the back repeatedly. You cannot ignore people and turn them into memes and then expect them to stand up for you when you need them most.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
Lmao this dood really thinks the Uniparty isn't real. May I remind you Liz Cheney literally got DNC help to run re-election?
As for the second point, did Trump actually choose the candidates or did he just endorse them? Trump doesn't run the GOP. People like Oz wouldn't have made it to being the main candidate if he did.
Ron DeSantis is a strong contender to follow up on Trump, but dumping the Don now is a stupid idea.
DarthOne
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Thank you!
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
On the subject of Compromise between Libertarians and GOP: Good idea, completely unnatenable as long as the GOP is being run by the likes of McConnell. It also has the failure of the fact that if such a compromise was so easy the Libertarian party would be at most a bloc in the GOP not a separate party.
The best way for such a "alliance" to work would be if they made deals to not run anyone against the other's candidate in some elections, which I can only really see happening by the Libertarians getting the GOP to not run in very small local election and the GOP getting the Libertarians not to run in state ones. Which is a bit of a crapshot for the Libertarians.
The best way for such a "alliance" to work would be if they made deals to not run anyone against the other's candidate in some elections, which I can only really see happening by the Libertarians getting the GOP to not run in very small local election and the GOP getting the Libertarians not to run in state ones. Which is a bit of a crapshot for the Libertarians.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! A few were, but a bunch locked down. With Trumps Support!
Both parties mostly believe that, the Dems are just honest on it.
They aren't 80% on my side though. They aren't 40% on my side. Neither side will do anything I like, and both will do shit I hate. Just different shit I hate.
It's that there are a few candidates that are on my side, and I will vote for them.
There will be. Look, this struggle against wokeness will take a long time, and you will take a lot of losses. Doesn't mean you won't win.Assuming there even is a next time.
I've not acted like the GOP is the greater evil. Most of it is equally evil, some of it is good. I'll vote for the good, not for the evil.
A lot actually. Removing troops from Afghanistan gets a lot of criticism for just pulling the troops out, not just for the methodology. Same with Iraq.
They all want to spend money. They won't even get rid of the ATF. Most republican politicians are garbage. Romney might as well be a Fetterman for all I care. It's the same person.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Donald Trump is a tad too abrasive and egotistical for his own good, but this mess isn’t entirely of his making. As has been pointed out, shenanigans aside, the GOP still has a vicious Neocon streak that’s yet to be ripped out. In some respects dropping him would be a mistake as his work is not yet done.
DeSantis would have similar problems if he walked into a Party still controlled by Mitch McConnell.
Until the RINOcons of the world are properly excised, the American Right will remain crippled by them. They are just another breed of Neoliberal, a warlike one at that, and Neoliberalism is bringing the West down in flames.
DeSantis would have similar problems if he walked into a Party still controlled by Mitch McConnell.
Until the RINOcons of the world are properly excised, the American Right will remain crippled by them. They are just another breed of Neoliberal, a warlike one at that, and Neoliberalism is bringing the West down in flames.
So, Pennsylvania voted for a guy who died last month.
Jesus Christ, Democrats are fucking morons.
Jesus Christ, Democrats are fucking morons.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
For all the claims of cult behavior they throw at us, they are absurdly committed to their own insanity. Republicans in PA found Oz too slimy to vote for and would rather not show up. Democrats in PA voted for a guy who cannot even speak properly because they are that faithful to The Cause.
Bear Ribs
Well-known member
Yeah, I reported that a bit upthread, but honestly I'm warming up to this. Dead people historically have caused no wars and committed no atrocities, really all the problems we've ever seen have been caused by living leaders.
Now dead voters, they're pretty problematic as historically they invariably vote for the most corrupt and least honest candidates possible.