No, I just go by what is in the links, and what you said.
I never said you said he had ceded Donbass or Crimea, I said I had not seen anything talking about anything regarding territorial integrity being up for discussion or on the table a this point. Particularly not 'abandoned' talk of territorial integrity as you first claimed.
You're absolutely full of shit:
Now, having actually read the article you linked, it did not say Zelenski had abandoned trying to get Crimea and the Donbass back, so not sure where you got that idea.
This is you saying exactly that.
The first link you provided didn't actually back up much of any of what you claimed, and the second link showed that the issue of territorial integrity was being shelved while other discussions were going on, with the possibility of discussions about the status of the LPR/DPR and Crimea being posited as the '15 year discussion'.
Except it said exactly as I said it did, that territorial integrity was indeed now up for discussion, so you're lying on that too. What was not said, however, was that the matter was being shelved as you claim; that is an invention entirely by you. Zelensky has stated that 15 years of talking can commence on the status of the disputed territories, beginning as part of the formal peace process through in person talks between him and Putin; if he is directly meeting with Putin to discuss, claiming the issue is being shelved is laughable given that's high level diplomatic talks between the two Heads of State.
At least be consistent in your lying is all I'm asking for at this point.
'Discussion' does not mean Ukraine has given up on getting those areas back (though I had rather expected they'd probably lose them, unless Russia really screwed the pooch), it means that they are not about to let Russia declare they are keeping those territories and are seeming to want to work on the issue of those areas once the rest of the agreement is sorted out. I expect Kiev wants an actual open, fair referendum in those areas as to what they want to be, not the farce of a 'referendum' that happened when Crimea was annexed or what the LPR/DPR did on their own.
Which I've not claimed anywhere, again, you're engaging in strawman because I showed you were and are lying. What I did say, and what we both quoted me as saying, was that Ukraine has retreated from its earlier position of its territorial integrity not being up for discussion. What they are now saying, however, is that there can be talks between them and Russia on the issue; this is a 180 from their prior stated position of no talks at all.
You twisted that to me somehow saying they had formally abandoned Crimea and Donbass already, which I didn't say at all, and thus my claim somehow being only partly right instead of the 100% correct statement I made. At issue here is you are either lying or you don't understand basic terms. Your choice.
So you can keep ree'ing about me being full of bullshit or trying to 'gatcha' you; however it won't change that you seriously exaggerated what was/is being said. I had simply wanted a source for the claim you made initially, because it wasn't outlandish, but I wanted to see more than just your word for it.
Your replies however showed you are just another Russian shill who is ass-mad about people not buying your bullshit on your word alone, and the way you dealt with me asking for sources and critiquing your exaggerations also shows you have no desire to argue things in good faith.
Given how many demonstrable lies you've made, and I've quoted you doing so to prove it, we can dismiss this bit as just projection on your part. Nice try, but it didn't work dude.
