strunkenwhite
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Unfortunately, I am sure there is extremely little crossover between the foolish Chinese nationals enraging foreigners against their own people and Asian-looking people in foreign lands getting victimized.
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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They can tell the EU to fuck off, because if the Eurocrats try to push the issue, there is always the possibility of those countries simply leaving the EU outright and aligning again with Russia. Especially if the West starts making demands incompatible with their national survival.
With the Bear, at least, they'd know where they stand - while with the Western one-worlder types the goalposts keep moving.
Small wonder that the globalists still want to eliminate Russia as a serious counterpower.
"Swallowed it"? Where do you think it comes from?
The British political class looks back nostalgically on the days of the Empire - a small white elite ruling over a vast sea of pacified, subjugated, brown-skinned peoples. They know they can't go and conquer Egypt or India again now - they're thrown away too much of the strength the UK once had for that - but they can try to turn Britain into a mini-Empire, so to speak, by importing lots and lots of the people they like to rule over.
Too bad for the native British people of course...
That's my take on it anyway.
Lol and now they admit we were right in that shilling all along. Sorry, but you need to update your lines, things have changed since a month ago.
Germany decides to send weapons to Ukraine — as it happened – DW – 02/26/2022
Russian forces are bearing down on Ukraine's capital after attacks on cities and military bases around the country. Meanwhile, Germany made the historic decision to send weapons to Ukraine. Follow DW for the latest.
www.dw.com
Opinion | Will the West Heed Poland’s Warnings on Russian Aggression?
Some consider Warsaw alarmist, but the Poles have frequently been right about their large neighbor.
www.wsj.com
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German rude awakening on Russia infuriates Poland
‘Berlin listened to Russian lies and believed, either due to a lack of imagination or because of pure self-interest on a massive scale’
I know you wanted the EU corruptocrat - RU corruptocrat romance to bloom, but sorry, this is a forced breakup. You need to wake up to a world where this ship is dead. Now the Anglo-Saxons, EU and Poland all have a thing to agree on, Russia went too far. They really tried, but in the end Putin just had to shit the bed.
If you knew the internal politics of the countries involved you would know that for at least half of them Russia is not a valid option. If anything, what really annoys the eurocrats is that those balance between them and playing the role of US buddies in Europe.
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Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
We will see in a month, in ten months, in 2-3 years, don't count your chickens before they are hatched.Lol and now they admit we were right in that shilling all along. Sorry, but you need to update your lines, things have changed since a month ago.
Germany decides to send weapons to Ukraine — as it happened – DW – 02/26/2022
Russian forces are bearing down on Ukraine's capital after attacks on cities and military bases around the country. Meanwhile, Germany made the historic decision to send weapons to Ukraine. Follow DW for the latest.Opinion | Will the West Heed Poland’s Warnings on Russian Aggression?
Some consider Warsaw alarmist, but the Poles have frequently been right about their large neighbor.German rude awakening on Russia infuriates Poland
‘Berlin listened to Russian lies and believed, either due to a lack of imagination or because of pure self-interest on a massive scale’www.irishtimes.com
I know you wanted the EU corruptocrat - RU corruptocrat romance to bloom, but sorry, this is a forced breakup. You need to wake up to a world where this ship is dead. Now the Anglo-Saxons, EU and Poland all have a thing to agree on, Russia went too far. They really tried, but in the end Putin just had to shit the bed.
If you knew the internal politics of the countries involved you would know that for at least half of them Russia is not a valid option. If anything, what really annoys the eurocrats is that those balance between them and playing the role of US buddies in Europe.
I will just leave you with the words of a few people who actually understood infinitely more than you do fireign policy:
Henry Kissinger and Lord Palmerston.
With the same being applicable to France,Germany,the Eurocracy.
You are not going to be the first Anglo favorite puppy that gets abandoned or outright shot, or gets relabeled as a rabid mongrel that needs putting down.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
The last time you brought that up, I assumed you have just misread what I had said, or misinterpreted it; but considering that this is the second time I've had to correct you, I have to wonder whether or not you're even reading what I'm typing at all. I said I'd root for them if we got involved. As in, if this turned into a war between America and Russia.
I won't argue that I'm not more sympathetic towards Russia's perspective on Ukraine; because I am, and I've made no secret of that. I've also made no secret of my position that the current government of Ukraine is an illegitimate puppet of America/Europe; so, less a war of aggression on Russia's part, than one of retaliation and defense. In my opinion at least.
Also, while I reject your assertion that I'm "pro-war", I'm also not "anti-war"; there are situations where I feel war is justified, and those where I feel it's not. Us going to war with Russia over Ukraine would not be justified, while them going to war with "Ukraine", sadly, is. I don't like that they're going to war with them; but other than Russia capitulating to America's desire to bring NATO right up to their doorstep, and letting them get away with another try at regime change in the process, I don't see how this could have turned out any other way after the coup.
There are more than just two positions one can take on this issue; or at the very least, there's room for a bit of nuance.
The Rubicon was crossed. There is no undoing that. This is beyond "go back to business as usual". Just like Crimea got France to cancel the military deals with Russia for good, except far worse.
That was quite a few years ago, didn't go back to business as usual.
Well then, in that case we will still have the eurocrats. Relying on one is always stupid, that's why everyone remotely competent balances between at least 2.
So far that tag applies to Russia now, on account of its own action.
Who knows, maybe this fuckup will get Russia a change of leadership that will provide a valid third option.
No, I simply slightly misremembered. Apparently not by much, though.
That's actually worse.
I have yet to see any evidence of this being anything other than a war of aggression on Russia's part, essentially for yandere reasons.
If you support Russia in this, you are pro-war, straight-up.
Riiight... I'm sure this has nothing at all to do with that natural gas that Ukraine was poised to take advantage of to become a competitor for Russia in that market.
There really isn't any nuance to invading another country after you've called them an "artificial country." This is simply a continuation of the expansion seen in other countries prior to this.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
What; you going to call me a traitor? Because if that didn't stop me from opposing the Iraq war, it's certainly not going to faze me now.
That's because you dismissed it all as "Russian propaganda".
Says the guy who thinks America should go to war with them, to the guy saying we shouldn't; I suppose next you'll be telling me that freedom is slavery.
Well, it's likely a factor; I'll grant you that much. All the more reason though to denounce the coup, and America/Europe's role in it, as well as their insistence on pushing NATO to Russia's border; because without that, Russia wouldn't have the justification to go in.
Putin's the one that called them an "artificial country"; I'm asserting that they're a country run by an illegitimate government.
I knew plenty of people who were against the war but did not root for Iraq, so, yeah, that'd be crossing a line.
Because it is.
As I said - I'm pro-Ukraine defending themselves. Russia started this.
Russia never had any justification to go in. They have a proven track record under Putin.
You asserted that there was nuance and I illustrated that Putin removed any nuance you seem to think there might be.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Polish politicians would rather take a million africans and arabs a year than align themselves with Russia.
That is because anytime anything that counters your worldview, you declare it Russian propaganda and put it on ignore.
Thanks for giving me another quote with which to laugh at you next week.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Yeah, well; back then, we thought our government and our military was at least nominally on our side. Not so much anymore.
So then why even bother pretending that you'll ever think otherwise? Because it makes you seem more reasonable to pretend to be open to being proven wrong, even when you are not.
I disagree, but there's little point in riding that merry-go-round again.
Again, I disagree.
Again... why do I even bother? You will believe what you want to believe, and there is absolutely nothing I can say to convince you otherwise.
That, at least, we can agree on. As for the rest; well, I have no idea what you're going on about with that bit about "making up your very own, personally approved international order for everyone to follow". Personally, I just think you're grasping at straws for excuses to try and demonize me and my "Russia apologia"; and all that does is convince me you have nothing of value to say, ever, and makes me miss the days when I could add staff members to my ignore list.
1.You could not align yourself with KGBrussia,only be either enemy or slave.Well,unless you are China - then you own it.
So,we could not align ourselves with somebody who belive,that Poland is his lost possesion.
2.KGBstan always lied,so why we should belive it now ?
Back to war - Putin certainly made deal with Biden owners before war.He need victory to remain alive,Biden owners need distraction from their fuckups.
So,it is win-win for everybody but dead russiams and ukrainians.
@Agent23 - KGB russia would not save Europe,they care about their mafia only.And made deal with leftist to fuck us together.
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Deep battle doctrine is from WW2, and isn't being used anymore, and if was this isn't it. To my understanding, the goal of deep battle was to break through enemy lines with corps sized formations and rampage through their rear areas, hitting major supply depots, C3 hubs, lines of communication, etc. That has very clearly not been happening in Ukraine, because if corps sized formations were running around behind Ukrainian lines, we would have heard about it.
Chiron
Well-known member
What do you think the pockets are the results of?
Not to mention the Ukraine's loss of Kherson and the sea of Azov.
Also the sheer silence from most of the Russian OMGs that have deployed compared to 1st and 2nd echelons who were allowed to keep their phones, is quite telling. We only here of these OMGs from Ukrainian Twitter accounts posting of them in areas we wouldn't be expecting them. And when the Russians reveal them, it is with embedded official reporters.
Fact is, the border fights are done, the UkA lost and is no longer able to fight a mobile defense. Now the OMGs are deploying to finish the operational encirclements of the UkA and inflict de bellatio.
Its checkmate and UkA commanders must decide if its worth it to bleed out or spare the lives of their men. Retreat isn't really an option now. That window has passed for them.
Airedale260
Well-known member
You're correct in that that may be the literal definition, but from a practical standpoint even a BTG or two doing that counts as executing a deep battle maneuver.
Arguing that it only counts if it's a corps-level formation is basically splitting hairs.