Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
Also its funny how the west is all gung ho about those protests but the truckers in Canada were "nazi's"
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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Chiron
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They fought for 12 days and adding up the puppet forces to the Russian Totals, they had a 1 to 1 exchange in losses. The Georgian President threw in the towel before its military did.
It has already effectively lost. They can sting, but the Russians are not allowing them time to organize defenses and accepting losses to quickly pocket the Ukrainian Army.
I didn't say they were defeated, only they have stood up well, lasting longer than the Chechs did in the battle phase before the insurgency phase started. As it is ISIS lacks the means to take territorial control in the Levant at the moment and its main fronts are in Africa, largely forgotten in all the other conflicts brewing there.
The Syrian Arab Republic Military is a far different beast now. Years of combat, Darwinism, good habits rubbed into them by Hezbollah and Iranian training and a complete re-equipping by Russia has resulted in a far better Army. Assad burnt his country down to do so, but ISIS doesn't have the networks of civilian collaborators to operate with like it used to.
So? Iran won, puppetized Iraq under the US's nose, and brazenly looted US equipment supplied to the Iraqi Military in broad daylight.
You are playing semantics. They are one and the same. A war only ends when the enemy is pacified and stops resisting.
I look at actual results. The US lost Iraq and Afghanistan. Mayhap we need to reassess the US Military's actual ability to win wars in an honest way don't you think?
Protests are happening all over Russia.
They wont
The US has not lost militarily, only politically
They paid off the Chechens
Georgiia wasnt ready
Also, apperetnly Azov has been wiped out
Agent23
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Most probably, but China is the biggest winner here, whatever the west sanctions where exports are concerned they will be happy to buy.
That includes mail-order brides too, of course.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
Well I view this as a victory for the PRC and their new order, Now if the US chooses to oppose them well who knows how that plays out.
Chiron
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Utterly irrelevant, you did actually lose some battles, and the Taliban are still holding the country and laughing.
A little humility, self-reflection, and with less jingoism please. At the end of the day, we tax payers decide if you even have a job, and if you can't win wars, why should we continue to pay your salaries as oppose to firing you and finding someone who can win a war?
Batrix2070
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Specifically, the U.S. has won battles time and time again but has it won those wars? What were you guys really fighting them for like that over there? If you were to introduce Liberal Democracy you would get screwed over big time. When the Soviets put in their regime, at least they didn't have to turn half the country into rubble to do it. And they were able to hold on for a while realistically!
I don't want to get into this too deeply because we're starting to derail the thread as it is, but I have to say your takes are delusional, and stop at that.
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Yeah, no. Completely different beasts. By this criteria Russia has not won a war in it's entire history, arguably the Soviet Union either (bar WWII).
Now who is playing semantics? Define "loss" and define "victory". Maybe you need to stop with the mental acrobatics that allow you to define the results of any wars Russia prticipates in as "victory", and any war the US participates in as "defeat", even when the actual, factual results are either the same or in reality are flipped on their head. Don't you think?
Husky Karen.
I feel attacked...
I'm going to assume that I'm not considered a Donb Ass though. That must be everyone else who engaged in derails. I don't think my fragile ego can take anymore if that isn't the case though.
Agent23
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DonBass literally means the Basin l/Pool of the Don river, dude.As to the details,well, you did start them quite often.I feel attacked...
I'm going to assume that I'm not considered a Donb Ass though. That must be everyone else who engaged in derails. I don't think my fragile ego can take anymore if that isn't the case though.
TBH the discussion of Realpolitik and US foreign(Monroe doctrine, permanent, bloated security state, US intervenrionalism and the reasons behind it) policy merits a thread of its own.
Chiron
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"Sigh"
Again, who is the one that won?
You can say XYZ all you want, but at the end of the day, the US lost its post 2000 wars while Putin has won his.
Taliban holds Afghanistan. Iran's Iraqi and Syrian Puppets are still in charge and they have free access to those areas.
US has nothing to show for these conflicts. Putin brought a rebellious province under his control and made it an ally. Putin bitch slapped Georgia and secured two pro-Russian regions from further Georgian interference. He rescued an Ally in Syria. He took Crimea with barely a shot fired and bled Ukraine white and now is dealing it a death blow.
You don't have an argument. The results are the results.
Maybe you should ask yourself how the US lost the war on terror.
I know that... but look at how she titled the Thread.... DonbAss. That's an awfully convenient typo.
Agent23
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Husky Karen's DonBass did it again.I know that... but look at how she titled the Thread.... DonbAss. That's an awfully convenient typo.
Since the discussion would likely lead to a derail, I'm going to post some amazingly shitty takes that have been taken off of Twitter.
First off, to frame the post, here is Nate Silver explaining cogently what you are all about to see.
Keep the War Going Because It'll Prevent Trump from Getting Elected!
If Putin was Black or Brown the West would be intervening!
What about Covid in Ukraine?
Queer People Making Sure to Never Be Marginalized Again Except for Special Treatment
First off, to frame the post, here is Nate Silver explaining cogently what you are all about to see.
Keep the War Going Because It'll Prevent Trump from Getting Elected!
If Putin was Black or Brown the West would be intervening!
What about Covid in Ukraine?
Queer People Making Sure to Never Be Marginalized Again Except for Special Treatment
Part Two!
Cenk Uygur echoing why Right Wingers love Putin. It's because he's White and White Supremacy of course!
Second Blue Checkmark... same point as the first
Palestinians Making it All About Themselves
Not sure if real or not... Remember Black Lives Matter First
And to cleanse the palate...
Cenk Uygur echoing why Right Wingers love Putin. It's because he's White and White Supremacy of course!
Second Blue Checkmark... same point as the first
Palestinians Making it All About Themselves
Not sure if real or not... Remember Black Lives Matter First
And to cleanse the palate...
I know that... but look at how she titled the Thread.... DonbAss. That's an awfully convenient typo.
My own dad frequently refers to Donbass as Dumbass.
Russia = Israel, Donbass + Crimea = Israeli settlers, Ukraine = Palestinians. Good analogy. I thought of it yesterday. With the notable exception that the religion difference is much, much less pronounced in Russia vs. Ukraine than in Israel vs. Palestine.
The US.
King Arts
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Is there even a religious difference? Both are Eastern Orthodox Christians mostly.
The Kiev Patriarchate broke off from the Moscow Patriarchate a couple of years ago, if I recall correctly.