LordsFire
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Zachowon, someone is dead.
You don't just get reprimanded for that. You face criminal charges.
'Oops, didn't mean to do that' doesn't cut it.
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Zachowon, someone is dead.
You don't just get reprimanded for that. You face criminal charges.
'Oops, didn't mean to do that' doesn't cut it.
The situation is a major part of it.
Because we honestly don't know what was going on in his mind. We don't know what he was feeling. We don't know if it was fear or anger.
That is the issue.
What's the sitch?
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We've already seen that Trump supporters are barely count as people at the best of times to many people and that the likes of George Floyd are venerated and gain sainthood.
So yes, it very likely will cut it.
LordsFire
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The situation, is that someone is dead. Someone who posed no threat, and had made no indication they intended to attack, the person who killed them.
What was going on in the mind of the person who killed them does not determined whether or not they need to be charged, it only determines what charge they should be facing.
Let's hypothesize the most generous circumstances possible, and say that the officer saw a gunman behind Babbit. A gunman pointing a weapon at him. Well, then he's justified in trying to shoot that gunman.
He is not justified in shooting Ashli Babbit.
Maybe, possibly under these specific circumstances, the theoretical gunman should be the one charged, as the one who instigated the situation, but even then it was the officer's shit accuracy that caused her to get killed, so he should still be up for negligent manslaughter.
In more practical theoretical situations:
1. If the officer knew she would be there, and planned on killing her when she showed up, it's murder.
2. If the officer didn't know what was going to happen that day, but made a decision in the heat of the moment to kill, it's homicide or manslaughter.
3. If the officer accidentally discharged his weapon, it's negligent manslaughter.
4. If the officer was aiming for an armed assailant and hit her, it's negligent manslaughter.
5. If the officer shot her and injured, but did not kill, then it's assault with a deadly weapon.
Less practically:
6. If the officer neither chose to fire, nor accidentally discharged his weapon, but a defect in the weapon or ammunition caused a spontaneous firing, then someone else is responsible for her death.
In all of these circumstances except 6, the officer is still morally and legally culpable for her death, because he shot her. And she did not present a threat to him.
Do you have any actual counter-argument to what I'm trying to get through to you here, or just another repetition of 'no he isn't' with no explanation or justification.
LindyAF
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Being afraid doesn't justify killing someone lol.
All the bullshit about "oooh we can never really no his mind" is bullshit, because that doesn't fly in any other circumstance, but also it's totally irrelevant, because he shouldn't have been there in the first place. Anything he does there is tainted and unjustifiable, because he should not have been there.
Like, say a cop is coming around to grab guns for political reasons (excuse me, enforcing a politically motivated red flag order). There is literally no circumstance under which the cop is justified in shooting, because the cop is not justified in being there in the first place. If a gun grabbing cop dies, I wouldn't shed a single tear.
Similarly, a decent person would not be showing up to defend the parasites ruining our country from the American people at all. If you're willing to show up and then kill for them, you're scum.
That is a cop. There is another officer right behind him.
Why the fuck not? If anyone else who isn't a fucking cop shot an unarmed person because they were afraid of them, what do you suppose would happen to that person? Kyle Rittenhouse had multiple people charge at him, hit him, and/or point a gun at him, and only fired specifically at the people who represented the greatest threat to him and managed to keep his head while doing so. I guarantee if he had not fired that he would be dead now, and one of those antifa thugs would have the rifle he was carrying. Yet he's standing trial. And you're telling me, this cop somehow rates better than this 17 year old kid who kept it together against armed people, including one who actually did have a gun and actually did point it at him after pretending to surrender, and only deserves a stern talking to for killing an unarmed woman (and a vet to boot). And not only did this cop kill an unarmed woman, but he placed his fellow officers in harms way in doing so. Seriously, watch the footage.
Another thing that hasn't seemed to cross your mind much, is that if that cop was alone (which he wasn't), and truly afraid for his life, is that he could have run the fuck away to where he could have had more support. Again, something a 17 year old kid managed to do better than this cop.
I sound? Mother fucker unless you have a speak and spell you aren't hearing a damn thing and if you're blind and it's being read to you get another fucking program.
As to it not being a crime? Yeah it is every single law enforcement officer in the capitol was aiding and abetting a coup detat against the President and attacking the American people.
They're all traitors, they're all guilty and every federal prosecutor and Judge who goes along with it are likewise guilty of treason.
Best formula = If Fed always assume they're in the wrong. If city cop, always assume mentally retarded and if rural cop always assume he serves the agenda of whoever passes for the bosses in that region.
So crap shoot for the retard and the old school enforcer. You have a 50/50 chance that they aren't acting in bad faith.
But a Fed is always a child killer, always a traitor, always vermin and always acting in bad faith.
"Me baby eater, me kill patriot, me then go home and rape own progeny and worship satan"
I'm being facetious but I'm absolutely certain they all went in there with the intent to murder protesters.
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Removed from their job as police with no chance of reinstatement but that should be about it.
The bad publicity from their actions is enough punishment in today's world.
Why are they on the protestor side of the barricade then?
Doesn't make sense.
it's a big building with lots of corridors. They could have come from behind it another side hall of something like that. Police were dispersed throughout the building. These officers might have been just down the hall of already in the crowd but powerless to stop them.
That's if they're police. I don't have enough info to say for sure, so I am just throwing out speculation.
Bigking321
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Let's not forget they were told to let the protesters in.
This was a setup. Pure and simple.
Now anytime there's a right wing protest some antifa people will show up decked out in American flags and Maga hats and will start something with cops to get a riot declared. The antifa people will mysteriously get released without bail and the rest of the people will get the book thrown at them and get harassed from the Feds and the media will howl about another insurrection attempt.
...while other cities are getting burnt down but those are just "peaceful protests".
This was a setup. Pure and simple.
Now anytime there's a right wing protest some antifa people will show up decked out in American flags and Maga hats and will start something with cops to get a riot declared. The antifa people will mysteriously get released without bail and the rest of the people will get the book thrown at them and get harassed from the Feds and the media will howl about another insurrection attempt.
...while other cities are getting burnt down but those are just "peaceful protests".
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A pity the Right does have a guy called Ackbar yelling "It's a trap!" everytime sniff out an antifa inflitrator.
I think that was the point.
Both officers and protestors were manipulated into fighting each other while the elite sit in their big fancy shelter and watch the entertainment (that's if they got bored of their "usual" entertainment of "cheese pizzas and hot dogs".) like roman emperors at the coliseum.
Bigking321
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I don't think anyone's claiming that. But some of them certainly were. Moving the barakades out of the way and opening the doors and waving them in. Probably just following orders from someone higher up. I'm thinking Nancy Pelosi personally.
Megadeath
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The only person that description actually seems to fit is Trump? Since you're dog whistling for the insane q conspiracy bs though, I'm sure you meant someone other than "geotus" as the target of your idiotic conspiracy.
AnimalNoodles
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At charlottesville, there was a person who was openly flying a swastika. His flag was clearly new. His face was clearly photographed. Oddly, he was never doxxed.
You're not making any sense here.
Trump stands to gain nothing from a messy riot where police and right wingers clash and kill each other.
The only people who stand to gain anything from this is the Democrat party, who used this as ammunition in their second attempt to impeach Trump.
There is also video evidence of antifa plants changing their disguises for the operation.
The only person who suffered a massive loss of reputation was Trump, who was publicly disavowed by basically all world leaders (even the right wingers joined the bandwagon, shame on them).
I'll leave it here and let you connect the dots.