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Bacle said:
It was also because Pence controlled most staffing decisions, and worked to sabotage Trump in many ways.

Where do you think a lot of the 'leaks' came from?

Trump didn't chose Pence, the RNC did, and did so because he was a Swamp Rat who would hinder Trump's agenda if he won.
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Pence giving into the swamp was how he even got the position in the first place, he was given the relatively impotent position of emergency backup president in order to make room for a swamp creature to become the governor of Indiana.
 
strunkenwhite said:
A more charitable way to put this is, he uses a business tactic of making court cases so costly and annoying to pursue that his opponents give him sweetheart deals just to make the problem go away. Peer opponent or not, few entities will have enough motivation to spend the years and the money to fight it out. But obviously this doesn't work when the court case is a battle over who gets to be POTUS, money is no object, and hard time limits are in place.
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Well, yes, but Trump himself describes it as whining as you can see in the quote linked below. Hence the description.

Either way, while it can be effective in business, it also means fewer people who choose to do business with him in the future because he keeps burning bridges. Sure, it’s effective in the short term, but in the long term? Not so much.

 
What's the over/under on some Attorney General or DA taking Trump to court? TBH it feels like the worst decision dems could make (hear me out).
If their fudged prosecution succeeds in convicting him, that's gonna piss off millions of Trumpers and drive them into the arms of more fringe groups. Some Qtards will probably switch from "trust the plan" to "be the plan". If they don't do any unmentionables they'll probably be galvanized to support a challenger to whoever's in office in 2024, maybe get some serious grassroots movements running to oust rotten republicans in congress.
If he isn't targeted for prosecution and tries to run again there's numerous reasons that could fail and allow Joe or Kamala to pull themselves over the finish line no matter how often they let their voters down.
 
Airedale260 said:
The problem is, in order for the GOP to do that, Trump needs to knock it off with the circular firing squad. The Senate retirements he's cheering in 2022 are in states where his brand (to say nothing of him personally) are *deeply* unpopular among the general public.
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Pardon me, do you have any sources for that claim? Yes, the guy barely won in North Carolina and lost Pennsylvania, but he flipped Ohio after it went for Obama twice, and Missouri, and Alabama both seem, from my eyes, to be "Trump Country". Not trying to concern troll, I'm genuinely interested.
 
Clanner Moment said:
Pardon me, do you have any sources for that claim? Yes, the guy barely won in North Carolina and lost Pennsylvania, but he flipped Ohio after it went for Obama twice, and Missouri, and Alabama both seem, from my eyes, to be "Trump Country". Not trying to concern troll, I'm genuinely interested.
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It’s fine, though perhaps I should rephrase to “a majority” since I’ll admit I didn’t realize Alabama was one of the retirements, which, yeah unless it’s Roy Moore who gets the slot, it’ll be a lock.

Ohio, while it’s shifted Republican, is historically a swing state, so while I’d be happy to be wrong about it being a danger, I’m still concerned.

Pennsylvania and North Carolina are the ones I’m mainly watching, as well as Wisconsin -even though Ron Johnson isn’t retiring, he also promised to only serve two terms so I’m a bit worried that it’ll bite him in the ass. Also keep in mind that Arizona and Georgia each have a seat up, and given how 2020 went, I’m concerned.

Missouri is probably safe but after the Todd Akin fiasco in 2012, I wouldn’t put it past the Democrats to screw with the primary process and sabotage the entire thing.

Look, I’ll be happy if I’m wrong about the Senate, but the truth is, between how the 2020 elections went (including the Georgia runoffs) and then the Capitol mess the day after...well, I still stand by my assertion that Trump has become a lot more toxic than loyalists realize. It’s one thing if he’s at arm’s length or in the background, but if he tries doing things front and center as he normally does, I don’t think it will go well.
 
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Urabrask Revealed said:
Fuck losing with grace and being civil to people who'd see us in gulags.
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I've heard both sides say these exact words. I think maybe modern politics are a trifle heated and intransigent.

Not that I can do anything about it. America has been headed in this direction a long time. There's already been one civil war over the existence of the two party system, though neither party recognized the root causes and thought it was about slavery instead... well, slavery, states rights, and a plethora of other things depending on who you ask, none of which is correct: It was fought because of the two party system. That is all.

And then the 'winners' were surprised when their own party became ludicrously, hilariously corrupt in the aftermath of the destruction of it's opposing party, which rapidly lead to the reformation of it's opposite.

That's likely to happen once more... the civil war, the failure to learn your lessons and establish a multi-polar power structure, the winning party becoming ludicrously corrupt within a decade or two, and the resulting reformation and victory by the opposing party... (It really doesn't matter who 'wins', the result is going to be everyone else losing for a few decades)

I think both parties are going to be trying to exterminate the other when the shit hits the fan, to be honest. I just hope I don't have to personally pick a side. I'druther just do my job, live a life without too much splendor nor impact, and be left alone, and be rapidly forgotten by history.
 
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The Phule said:
And then the 'winners' were surprised when their own party became ludicrously, hilariously corrupt in the aftermath of the destruction of it's opposing party, which rapidly lead to the reformation of it's opposite.
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Is that about the aftermath of the American civil war? What corruption are you talking of?
 
The Phule said:
I've heard both sides say these exact words. I think maybe modern politics are a trifle heated and intransigent.

Not that I can do anything about it. America has been headed in this direction a long time. There's already been one civil war over the existence of the two party system, though neither party recognized the root causes and thought it was about slavery instead... well, slavery, states rights, and a plethora of other things depending on who you ask, none of which is correct: It was fought because of the two party system. That is all.

And then the 'winners' were surprised when their own party became ludicrously, hilariously corrupt in the aftermath of the destruction of it's opposing party, which rapidly lead to the reformation of it's opposite.

That's likely to happen once more... the civil war, the failure to learn your lessons and establish a multi-polar power structure, the winning party becoming ludicrously corrupt within a decade or two, and the resulting reformation and victory by the opposing party... (It really doesn't matter who 'wins', the result is going to be everyone else losing for a few decades)

I think both parties are going to be trying to exterminate the other when the shit hits the fan, to be honest. I just hope I don't have to personally pick a side. I'druther just do my job, live a life without too much splendor nor impact, and be left alone, and be rapidly forgotten by history.
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A civilnwar in the US is a mark of the world ending.
Because without the US to help keep control of the oceans waters, more ships will be pirated and people killed and hijacked.
Yes more nations will make navies, but it takes awhile.

Then you have the fact that without the US many countries will make moves on others, and that will lead to nukes bring used.

You also have the chance someone in the civil war of the US launching nukes causing worse issues
 
The Phule said:
I've heard both sides say these exact words. I think maybe modern politics are a trifle heated and intransigent.
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They have to be.
The principles of both sides are too different to be compromised on anymore.
Baby murder convenience VS the sanctity of life.
Shameless Debauchery VS family values.
Respecting each and every sexual desire VS protecting children from pedophiles
These are mutually exclusive, decisions between them can only be settled by force.
 
Random Username said:
Is that about the aftermath of the American civil war? What corruption are you talking of?
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In the during and after the Grant administration there were a very large number of corruption scandals surrounding Republicans, the winners of the war. In one case they openly embezzled railroad bond money.

And reconstruction itself was a shady, shady, mess.

America's Reconstruction: People and Politics After the Civil War

www.digitalhistory.uh.edu


Of course, after the republicans lost power as a result of that, the new winners were just as bad, see Tammy Hall and the Democrats.

Zachowon said:
A civilnwar in the US is a mark of the world ending.
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It's also inevitable.

The two parties are both accusing each other of pedophilia. Of desiring ethnic cleansing. Of silencing their opposition. where do you think it's going to go from here?
 
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The Phule said:
In the during and after the Grant administration there were a very large number of corruption scandals surrounding Republicans, the winners of the war. In one case they openly embezzled railroad bond money.

And reconstruction itself was a shady, shady, mess.

America's Reconstruction: People and Politics After the Civil War

www.digitalhistory.uh.edu

Of course, after the republicans lost power as a result of that, the new winners were just as bad, see Tammy Hall and the Democrats.


It's also inevitable.

The two parties are both accusing each other of pedophilia. Of desiring ethnic cleansing. Of silencing their opposition. where do you think it's going to go from here?
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A war to unite us.
Because civil war is unlikely but a war with China is not, especially with the amount of atrocities they are committing
 
Zachowon said:
A war to unite us.
Because civil war is unlikely but a war with China is not, especially with the amount of atrocities they are committing
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China had front row seats to what happened to Japan after they attacked America. I promise you this, China will never directly declare war on us, nor directly attack our holdings.

They will expand their influence, erode our holdings, and use the infighting occurring within the United States as proof that we're not suitable to be a world power. They've already gotten more influence over Africa than we ever had.

It'll be the death of relevance by a thousand paper-cuts. There will be no pearl harbor 2.

And we're doing half their work for them, just by continuing to cling to the two party system. Of course, the only thing worse than that is the one party system...
 
The Phule said:
In the during and after the Grant administration there were a very large number of corruption scandals surrounding Republicans, the winners of the war. In one case they openly embezzled railroad bond money.

And reconstruction itself was a shady, shady, mess.

America's Reconstruction: People and Politics After the Civil War
http://pressbooks-dev.oer.hawaii.edu/ushistory/chapter/political-corruption-in-postbellum-america/
Of course, after the republicans lost power as a result of that, the new winners were just as bad, see Tammy Hall and the Democrats.
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Sad but in war people find opportunities for easy money which includes now seizure of oil if you know what I mean.
 
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